Trump riot developments
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I said vote and tabulating misconduct is real. We know this because the federal HAVA Law is quite detailed and specific about security as are state and local laws. We also have much anecdotal evidence about this over many decades.
I said the 2020 rushed COVID changes made misconduct easier and harder to detect. I know this because I am quite familiar with the Colorado mail system and it wasn’t rushed in through court order or by politically motivated administrators Without normal process.
I never said fraud happened or the election was stolen. I said the chances of fraud occurring had increased. I said there were statistical anomalies. i don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to 2020 hastily enacted voting changes passed on an emergency basis to be subject to the normal and measured legislative process.
"99% of what happened that day was the typical post-rally crap"?? That is an interesting take on 6 deaths and several capital police injured by crazed MAGAtts who were following orders after the speeches with a hangmans noose on display.
The closest airport to Telluride is Telluride. It is not for the faint of heart. When approaching for landing the plane's radar thinks the plane is approaching a mountain and an alert sounds. A computerized voice repeatedly warns, "pull up, pull up." No kidding. Did it twice and now my wife refuses to fly in or out of there. Montrose is the next closest airport.
Stop being partisanly stupid in public.
Like I said and you willingly ignored, 99% of the people there had nothing to do with the violence you cite. That was the whole meaning of my comment. You can’t simply say “all Republicans tried to kill Congress.” Did all Democrats try to kill Republicans when that guy shot up the Republican softball team practice?
When my city was looted and burned and rioted last summer - with 2 cops shot and one kid photographer shot dead - I was told that 99% of the protestors did nothing wrong. What happened to that? Killed by hypocrisy?
Either be fair or expect the decline of this nation to continue into the abyss.
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Trump had nothing to lose by declaring the election as having been stolen.
The big loser is the chipping away of our faith in our way of electing those who govern us.
Authoritarian rulers around the globe are pleased to watch Americans continue to lose faith in the values and institutions which used to be universally admired.
The big loser is the chipping away of our faith in our way of electing those who govern us.
Authoritarian rulers around the globe are pleased to watch Americans continue to lose faith in the values and institutions which used to be universally admired.
The conservatives on SCOTUS stole the 2000 election. Diebold stole the 2004 election. The Russians/Comey/Racists/Misogynists stole the 2016 election. This is the first time anyone had the temerity the accuse the Democrats of stealing an election. We survived a lot. We will be fine.
No, that's not what you said. Go back and read your earlier post. You said "99% of what happened that day was the typical post-rally crap." "99% of people" and "99% of what happened" are two very different things. That would be like me saying, "99% of what happened in Dallas on 11/22/63 was typical presidential rally/presidential motorcade stuff."
The storming of the United States Capitol is the elephant in the room. It was obviously the most significant event of January 6. Yet you're trying to whitewash it, like many Republican members of Congress and the pro-Trump media. The attack on the Capitol and the concomitant attempt to prevent the certification of Biden's election victory was unprecedented, disgraceful and one of the darkest days in US history. With legitimate concern that some members of Congress, Capitol security and other high-ranking officials may have been complicit, there needs to be a full investigation so we understand exactly what happened and make sure it never happens again.
OK, point taken MTIOTF...do you support establishing 2 seperate bi-partisan commission for BOTH the BLM and January 6 events or does only one of those fit your desires? I find it pointedly odd every time the mere mention of the January 6th insurrection comes up, instead of addressing that subject the "go to" move is always the summer of 2020 with protesters taking to the streets for what I saw as unwarrented shootings of young black men. a commision on both of these events who be benieficial in my mind but when the Trump backing house and senate GOP members wont even acknowledge it occurred or wasn't that big of a deal..where do we go?
CoH, read Gore's concession speech in 2000 and contrast it with Trump's reaction to the 2020 election,
Gore in part said the following,
I also accept my responsibility, which I will discharge unconditionally, to honor the new president-elect and do everything possible to help him bring Americans together in fulfillment of the great vision that our Declaration of Independence defines and that our Constitution affirms and defends.
You can stop with all the high drama now. Only a few months before, protestors forced the President and family out of the personal White House residence and into the bunker during the raging left wing Democrat protests. The Jefferson park rioters used bricks, bats, and other weapons against the authorities. The Capitol invaders had a guy in a Sasquatch costume and people carrying flags. The difference is better security at the WH, not the intensity of the protest.
None of this is okay. But claiming January 6 as one of the darkest days in history is way over the top. And it’s stupid to boot. We’ve endured and survived much worse including gun fire from the gallery in the 195O’s by Puerto Rican nationalists wounding members while in session.
I don't know..."Stop the Steal" is pretty inspiring, right?
The claimed illegitimacy of Bush’s presidency lived on. The claimed illegitimacy of the Biden’s presidency ruins careers and cancels people. This reaction is not a show of strength.
"Your Honor, 99% of the time I wake up and I don't rob any banks at all. Can't you cut me some slack for this one strange outlier?"
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That is only like 3 and a half banks a year. Sounds like a model citizen.
You're hopelessly lost to Cult 45.
And you're wrong about Trump and the bunker. He didn't go there because of security concerns. He went for an inspection. How do I know that? Trump said so.
Good grief. Anyone that dramatic isn’t worth dealing with , to say nothing of the hypocrisy of the deaths and carnage from this past summer. He’s worth putting on ignore
Irony. You wear a different jersey but are every bit as brainwashed. Jan 6 was a drop in the ocean compared to the summer of love. We can tally the figures if you like? Deaths. Govt buildings destroyed. Parts of certain cities remain a mess. Livelihoods lost. All over a false narrative driven by the media. Your selective outrage is transparently stupid. Our months and months of burning cities and killings was a little worse than a bunch of dumbshits taking selfies at the Capitol with half the cops holding their cameras. Darkest days in American history. How stupid. Wars. 9/11. On and on.
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Math was never your strong suit. Of course, neither was any other academic subject.
Look, I understand the January 6 insurrection was disastrous, politically, for your party (and my former party). Most Republicans in Congress and the pro-Trump media want to whitewash it or forget about it because it's a huge impediment to the GOP's ability to gain control of Congress in 2022. But the Republican heavyweights have hitched their wagon to the worst president in modern American history. They had a chance to kick him to the curb after he lost in November. They didn't. Rather, they continue to embrace him. They'll reap what they sow.
My posts are typically well-received but go ahead and put me on ignore. That's a great tactic when you're unable to counter with a compelling argument.
How do I counter your drama with a compelling argument. Do you want me to get you the pleadings/discovery from the Q shaman’s case and others to show their intent? You are making it a bigger deal than it was bc it suits your bent. The same reason you downplay the summer of love. It’s your filter. I don’t believe Jan 6 will have any bearing on future elections. As for the party I believe months of claiming the election was stolen is infinitely more harmful than the redneck field trip that didn’t last as long as my grade school field trip to the capitol. But I’m sure the Dems will spend thousands of hours with a commission reviewing it.
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Links to where I downplayed the summer of love, please.
And saying it's a false equivalence is not downplaying it. I've never condoned violence, here or anywhere else.
365-(0.99 x 365) = 3.65 banks
That makes "like 3 and a half banks" seem pretty accurate to me.
Is there MAGA math?
That the attack was instigated by the President because he was about to lose the election takes it to the top of the list.
“One of the darkest days” - though it was a day. Hours really. This past summer was days. Months actually. So were you just being hyperbolic?
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Excuse me for rounding down. I did use the word "like" in front to note that it was an approximation.
Maybe you should check your own math skills before insulting someone else or are you not able to do simple math?
In your effort to give COH a virtual handy, you've bitten off more than you can chew. Bowl is a solid poster, and your standard attacks aren't going to stick against him. It's just going to make you look stupid.
LMAO that's rich from a guy telling people to burn in hell. You make yourself look like a moron daily on here. It leaves little to the imagination why firms didn’t want you.
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Are you making a “root cause” argument? I don’t deny Trump’s role, but you have to remember many people showed up that day ready to go before he said anything. I don’t know what to expect from the commission, but if it is objective and honest, I think it will find out a lot of this boils down to people feeling helpless in the face of a government juggernaut. There are scores of reasons why that is so from all levels of government and they go well beyond Trump. Trump is likely the result of the fundamental problems.
Oh, FWIW, I think “root cause” arguments are shallow and lazy. Many favctors influence events.
Oh my. I must have hit a sensitive spot.
just an observation that will hopefully assist with your self-improvement (nothing has with your lack of self-awareness) - but you've been told that sooooooooooooooo many times before. ugh.
Poll taken in 2018 showed that GWB regained his legitimacy and popularity. Could it be Trump made every president before him more popular by comparison ?
Article about the poll in part states,
CNN) —
George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.
Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.
Apparently our relationship is different than I thought it was. I am sorry to fall short of your lofty standards.
If I ever talked about conservatives the way VPM talks about liberals, you'd be outraged. I snapped at him, and I hope I can become strong enough to pass by such abuse without snapping, but it was nothing he didn't deserve.
You raise a very interesting point. G.H.W.Bush, Nixon, Reagan, and McCain, all enjoyed more legitimacy once they were more or less retired. I think that has more to do with the left wing smear machine losing interest than it has to do with changes in the individual behavior. Probably some of both, but I think the former is more important. In W’s case, he has made a point of being non-political in retirement.
Pretty shocking. Remember the last days of W? There were literal cable tv shows created just to mock him. Hollywood made biopics meant to lampoon him. The poor guy received almost as much derision as Trump and didn't antagonize them at all.
W was their trial run. They perfected their craft with Romney and Trump.
CoH, your list pretty much represents the establishment which Trump ran against.
So after seeing the outside the establishment Trump perform, the establishment guys didn't seem so bad after all.
