I don’t doubt that but that’s a far cry from a trumpist screaming stop the steal. so when they say a third of independents have lost faith in the integrity of the election process I don’t dismiss them
Few Americans Who Identify As Independent Are Actually Independent. That’s Really Bad For Politics.
If you’ve ever been in a conversation about politics, you’ve probably heard someone say, “I don’t like either party” or “Politics is just so ugly these days.” T…fivethirtyeight.com
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Forgive me, but you are kind of dancing from issue to issue here. That link was directly in response to the question of how independent independents actually are. It has nothing to do with The Big Lie.
of course it does as it's germane to the implication made by mashnut: "It makes total sense if you remember that 75% of the people who identify as "Independent" are just partisans who refuse the label but vote exactly like a member of the party anyway." the implication that they aren't really "independent" and therefore inclined to align with republicans questioning the big lie. in the context of belief in the integrity of elections that they identify as independents is enough for me to deem them credible
Okay, fair enough. But it does illustrate that his point has some merit, in that most so-called independents are actually Democrats and Republicans, just secretly.
Over five months?!? Holy shit! So, over five months is old! I’ll remember that next time I go to the car dealership.
People (republicans/Trumptards) have used it since the election because it’s their new buzzword that let’s them draw the election results into question.
Irregularities.
and possibly some who identify as Pub or Dem, do so only because the govt mandated duopoly has left them no where to go.
while some Sanders backers feel this way, the largest current contingent would be Trumpers.
me thinks a lot of Trumpers realize and hate how both parties have totally abandoned them, thus have mistakenly adopted Trump due to lack of other options.
want to de-power Trump, give them a viable other option for them to go.
The Next Best Option if a January 6 Commission Fails
"On balance, a House select committee is not the optimal vehicle to investigate the January 6 insurrection.... but it might be the best one available." How this path could be made most effective.www.justsecurity.org
The tricky part of this for Republicans is keeping in mind that there'll be an investigation one way or another. It's purely a matter of whether they want it to happen via a bipartisan commission or via a Democrat-led select committee in the House. Each has its advantages and disadvantages for the party. Republicans would have more influence over a commission but its findings would be harder to demagogue than those of a select committee and the subpoenas it issues would be harder to fight politically. Democrats would have more influence over a select committee but its findings would be dismissed as partisan nonsense and its subpoenas would be tied up in court forever. The linked article makes the case that a select committee would be a decent alternative.
Dems push for House select committee after Senate Republicans derail bipartisan probe into January 6 attack
House Democrats are actively considering mounting a probe of their own into the January 6 US Capitol attack, signaling they don't plan to let the issue go away in the aftermath of Senate Republicans derailing the creation of an outside commission to probe the deadly insurrection.
www.cnn.com
Dems push for House select committee after Senate Republicans derail bipartisan probe into January 6 attack
House Democrats are actively considering mounting a probe of their own into the January 6 US Capitol attack, signaling they don't plan to let the issue go away in the aftermath of Senate Republicans derailing the creation of an outside commission to probe the deadly insurrection.
One of the main reasons the 9-11 commission worked is that we didn't wait for Al Qaeda to vote for it.
The Pubs had their chance to set the politics aside and do what was right. Fvck 'em. Now the Dems will just Benghazi! the shit out of them through next year. I can't wait to hear McCarthy's testimony about his phone conversation with Trump.Dems push for House select committee after Senate Republicans derail bipartisan probe into January 6 attack
House Democrats are actively considering mounting a probe of their own into the January 6 US Capitol attack, signaling they don't plan to let the issue go away in the aftermath of Senate Republicans derailing the creation of an outside commission to probe the deadly insurrection.
Dude you're linking to a story from Nov 13 and I linked to the AFFADAVIT from the GOP Official who conducted the investigation and posted his sworn testimony as to what he found on Dec 6, nearly a full month AFTER the stupid column you posted and a full month AFTER election day...
Did you even read it? I wish I knew how to copy/paste from a PDF because he goes thru everything in that stupid Australian column piece by piece. He and the folks in his office watched the entire surveillance tape of the events from Nov 3-4. The first point he makes is that what was reported to be a pipe leak on the evening of Nov 3 was actually the toilet overflow occurred during the morning of Nov 3 and DID NOT IMPACT the counting of votes later that evening. He's a GOP official and he interviewed dozens of people and SWORE to the conclusions he made...
His office (GOP) concluded that no one in the media,observers etc were ASKED to leave. They simply left on their own when they saw workers whose only job was to OPEN ballots leave and mistakenly assumed that meant everyone was leaving and they were halting operations for the night. However, the people whose job it was to COUNT the ballots stayed and performed that task...
Again, his staff viewed the entire security footage, while your article and Hannity et al tried to condense it all into a video which erroneously made it seem events happened simultaneously. The entire footage shows the infamous table being brought into the room at 8:22 am, with nothing underneath it.
Then the video shows that at 10 pm while the observers, clerks, monitors, etc are all still in the crowded room, the boxes of OPENED (But not yet COUNTED) ballots are now stored under the table. They had been re-sealed and packed away because workers erroneously thought they were going to close up for the night. The people who COUNTED the ballots (who were Dems, Pubs, and Independents) later counted those ballots, as they worked thru the night after other people had left...
Again this is what the Chief Investigator (a Trump voter) swore to after investigating the ridiculous claims for a month after initial complaints were made claiming people had been asked to leave and that after people left "suitcases" of ballots were somehow brought in. The Trump-supporting GOP Sec of State and his Chief Investigator (also a GOP Trump supporter) conducted an Investigation and a month later that same Investigator signed an affidavit declaring that "under the penalty of perjury" he SWORE that what he submitted was "true and correct". Yet somehow THAT is not good enough for you? Are you just really that stubborn?
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Yeah, it will be fascinating to see how far he will be willing to go to dispute the testimony of fellow Pub House member Jaime Herrera Beutler, who was the person who revealed Trump's cavalier comment about the rioters being more upset about the election than he (McCarthy) was. Is McCarthy going to now try and deny Trump said it when he already mentioned it to Herrera Beutler?
Ima guess he'll try to somehow refuse to testify. Trump proved that you can get away with just saying "Fvck you" to legal congressional directives and subpoenas, claiming any kind of crazy reason you want and then going to the courts and have them drag everything out until Hell freezes over.
What percentage of the republican base believes Jan 6th was antifa and BLM pretending to be Trump humpers?
Actually according to a YouGov poll conducted the past couple of days that number would be around 73%. I'm not sure how you can even relate to that level of baseless idiocy, which defies both logic and common sense...
Poll: 73% of Republicans blame 'left-wing protesters' for Jan. 6 attack. Just 23% blame Trump.
As a Senate showdown looms over the creation of a commission to investigate the Capitol siege, a new poll reveals just how polarized public perceptions of the attack have become — and how those perceptions are shaping the clash in Congress.
I mean if Antifa is to blame, why aren't GOP leaders leaping at the oppty to expose all the "leftist rioters" esp when the Dems agreed to equal representation? How can a rational person claim the instigators were "anti-Trump", and yet explain the fact that not only have none been turned into the FBI, but none of those arrested are even claiming anyone around them was "anti-Trump"?
I mean the FBI has offered rewards and people have been turned in by family, co-workers, relatives, friends, complete strangers. Is that only a right-wing phenomenon, and somehow none of these "hidden" Antifa agitators don't know ANYONE who might turn them in?
Where are they in the videos, pics, or even in the testimony of the almost 500 people under arrest or charged? I mean a large number of those arrested have turned on both Trump and Fox News and actually blamed them for their actions, yet none of them have blamed the Antifa activists who were standing next to them egging them on?
Like I said that level of delusion defies common sense...
Do you even read articles you link to? I ask because a simple perusal of everything in the article followed by a simple google search would go a long way towards exposing who the real liars are and keep you from totally embarrassing yourself... For example...
This tweet (from the Trump War Room account) claimed that Deborah Jean Christiansen registered to vote on Oct 5, and voted, but had actually died in 2019.
I was intrigued, so I did a simple google search for that name. And low and behold...
The amount of sloppy investigation and ineptness in making/investigating that claim would have been shocking. Except for the fact that it was an example of the incompetency of Team Trump and Tucker Carlson...
First off the name isn't the least bit uncommon, particularly the coupling of Deborah with Jean for women born in the 50s. And Christiansen is also an extremely common name as well. So you'd think they'd at least check on the possibility of two people with the exact same name, before posting nonsense...
It's even more hilarious. The living DJ Christiansen who moved from Neb to GA in Sept (and registered to vote on Oct 5) is the same age as the woman who Trump claimed voted after death. And in 2016 she voted for Trump, but decided to correct that error and vote for Biden in 2020. CNN actually found her and interviewed her, but a simple visit to Cobb Co elections office would have provided Team Trump with proof they were about to make fools of themselves...
'Just ridiculous': CNN speaks to Georgia voter the Trump campaign falsely accused of casting ballot in the name of a dead woman
President Donald Trump's campaign and Fox News host Tucker Carlson alleged last week that a vote cast by a Georgia woman named Deborah Jean Christiansen was fraudulent.
www.cnn.com
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lo and beholdDo you even read articles you link to? I ask because a simple perusal of everything in the article followed by a simple google chat would go along way towards exposing who the real liars are and keep you from totally embarrassing yourself... For example...
This tweet (from the Trump War Room account) which claimed that Deborah Jean Christiansen registered to vote on Oct 5, and voted, but had actually died in 2019.
I was intrigued, so I did a simple google search for that name. And low and behold...
The amount of sloppy investigation and ineptness in making/investigating that claim would have been shocking. Except for the fact that it was an example of the incompetency of Team Trump and Tucker Carlson...
First off the name isn't the least bit uncommon, particularly the coupling of Deborah with Jean for women born in the 50s. And Christiansen is also an extremely common name as well. So you'd think they'd at least check on the possibility of two people with the exact same name, before posting nonsense...
It's even more hilarious. The living DJ Christiansen who moved from Neb to GA in Sept (and registered to vote on Oct 5) is the same age as the woman who Trump claimed voted after death. And in 2016 she voted for Trump, but decided to correct that error and vote for Biden in 2020. CNN actually found her and interviewed her, but a simple visit to Cobb Co elections office would have provided Team Trump with proof they were about to make fools of themselves...
'Just ridiculous': CNN speaks to Georgia voter the Trump campaign falsely accused of casting ballot in the name of a dead woman
President Donald Trump's campaign and Fox News host Tucker Carlson alleged last week that a vote cast by a Georgia woman named Deborah Jean Christiansen was fraudulent.
Your party still believes Stacey Abrams won the Georgia Governor's race.
Don't even say your party didn't engage in activities to overthrow that election.
What? Are you just making random shit up now?
No, I'm not going to make the effort to dig into your nonsense bullshit rabbit hole.
Lazy ass. Do I have to do all your work for you?
Stacey Abrams refuses to concede lost election, perpetuates big lie
It seems questioning election results is good — if you’re a Democrat that is.
Probably news to you, since you only read Leftist garbage.
Lazy ass. Do I have to do all your work for you?
Stacey Abrams refuses to concede lost election, perpetuates big lie
It seems questioning election results is good — if you’re a Democrat that is.www.washingtontimes.com
Probably news to you, since you only read Leftist garbage.
This idiot is a moderator?
Think Trump is the only one who challenges electors?
Remember when the Democrats challenged the electoral vote count in 3 elections over 20 years?
What do 2001, 2005, and 2017 have in common? We inaugurated three GOP presidents, and Democrats challenged their electoral vote each time. Yes, three for two, or three times for the last two GOP presidents sworn in. The ...
What activities did Georgia Democrats engage in to overthrow that election? I must have missed them in your huff.Think Trump is the only one who challenges electors?
Remember when the Democrats challenged the electoral vote count in 3 elections over 20 years?
What do 2001, 2005, and 2017 have in common? We inaugurated three GOP presidents, and Democrats challenged their electoral vote each time. Yes, three for two, or three times for the last two GOP presidents sworn in. The ...www.americanthinker.com
I didn't say 'Georgia Democrats'. I said your party.
Elizabeth Warren Suggests Stacey Abrams Is Rightful Governor Of Georgia
Elizabeth Warren suggested that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia.
dailycaller.com
Are you going to tell me next Elizabeth Warren isn't a major player in your party?
Yes let him actually say something instead of being a punk. I am waitingI didn't say 'Georgia Democrats'. I said your party.
Elizabeth Warren Suggests Stacey Abrams Is Rightful Governor Of Georgia
Elizabeth Warren suggested that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia.
Are you going to tell me next Elizabeth Warren isn't a major player in your party?
If your hard-on was for Warren all along, why couldn't you just go to her at the beginning?I didn't say 'Georgia Democrats'. I said your party.
Elizabeth Warren Suggests Stacey Abrams Is Rightful Governor Of Georgia
Elizabeth Warren suggested that Stacey Abrams is the rightful governor of Georgia.
Are you going to tell me next Elizabeth Warren isn't a major player in your party?
So much for your contention that only Republicans question electoins.
Turns out the Democrats wrote the book on it.
And you had no clue. smh
I'm just asking you to stay on topic. I can't keep following you around all these rabbit holes.
I'm sorry, in case I was unclear, I need you to explain the actions Elizabeth Warren took to overturn the election in Georgia, since that is what you claimed. So please, do that.
She said “Brian Kemp won under the rules that were in place. … I will continue to disagree with the system until it is fixed.”Lazy ass. Do I have to do all your work for you?
Stacey Abrams refuses to concede lost election, perpetuates big lie
It seems questioning election results is good — if you’re a Democrat that is.
Probably news to you, since you only read Leftist garbage.
Sounds like a concession to me.
That link also quotes her as follows:
“It was stolen from the voters of Georgia,” she replied. “We do not know what they would have done because not every eligible Georgian was permitted to participate fully in the election.”
That's an admission she doesn't know how they would have voted.
I'm sorry - I missed the Democrat condemnation of her for challenging a certified election. That's treason to you, right?
Isn't keeping quiet the same thing as supporting it? Isn't that your standard now? In Warren's case, she clearly stated support for Abrams. If someone says the think Trump won the election, isn't that the same thing as treason to you?
Make up your mind.
So you can't provide any evidence, then? You admit your claim was bullshit and you were lying? Stop deflecting this back on me. You are the one who made the claim - that Democrats "engaged in activities to overthrow the [Georgia] election." When pushed to back that up, you pointed to Warren. But you can't provide any examples of Warren actually engaging in any activities to overthrow the election.
Do you even read articles you link to? I ask because a simple perusal of everything in the article followed by a simple google chat would go along way towards exposing who the real liars are and keep you from totally embarrassing yourself... For example...
This tweet (from the Trump War Room account) which claimed that Deborah Jean Christiansen registered to vote on Oct 5, and voted, but had actually died in 2019.
I was intrigued, so I did a simple google search for that name. And low and behold...
The amount of sloppy investigation and ineptness in making/investigating that claim would have been shocking. Except for the fact that it was an example of the incompetency of Team Trump and Tucker Carlson...
First off the name isn't the least bit uncommon, particularly the coupling of Deborah with Jean for women born in the 50s. And Christiansen is also an extremely common name as well. So you'd think they'd at least check on the possibility of two people with the exact same name, before posting nonsense...
It's even more hilarious. The living DJ Christiansen who moved from Neb to GA in Sept (and registered to vote on Oct 5) is the same age as the woman who Trump claimed voted after death. And in 2016 she voted for Trump, but decided to correct that error and vote for Biden in 2020. CNN actually found her and interviewed her, but a simple visit to Cobb Co elections office would have provided Team Trump with proof they were about to make fools of themselves...
'Just ridiculous': CNN speaks to Georgia voter the Trump campaign falsely accused of casting ballot in the name of a dead woman
President Donald Trump's campaign and Fox News host Tucker Carlson alleged last week that a vote cast by a Georgia woman named Deborah Jean Christiansen was fraudulent.
good luck Jim Smith and Bob Jones ever voting again.
You're the one who didnt know anything about it I'm educating you, but you're too dense to get it.
Not my fault you don't understand your own hypocrisy. It's why you're you, and being moderator of this site is one of the main accomplishments of your underachieving life.
C'mon, Goat. Criticizing how elections were conducted is damn near exactly the same as refusing to concede, claiming fraud, and attempting to disrupt the formalization of the Electoral College results. Anyone who doesn't see that is a crazy liberal commie bedwetter.
