Trump made me do it?

[Baller23Boogie]

She was shot by an overeager "cop" who had problems with weapon security in the past.

He could have fired a warning shot. But no, he went right for the kill.

He was itching to shoot someone.

In what world would you think it would be okay for someone to try to go through a broken window with members of congress on the other side with police having guns pointed at you, with people screaming out that the cops have their guns drawn, and you still are dumb enough to try and go through those windows.

By the way, that those doors were clearly barricaded, so common sense says don't go in there.

Back the blue until it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I am not misrepresenting anything. A "line in the sand" was drawn. That can arbitrarily be drawn at any point. "We are surrounded and being pelted with projectiles and pointy spears and we have nowhere else to go." If they keep pushing in we could really get hurt. That was the cop situation there. Line drawn, open fire.

"The protestors are over running our precinct station and they are attempting to light the courthouse on fire. If we don't stop them, someone could get hurt." Line drawn, open fire.

"The protestors are getting so rowdy outside that we have to move the President to a safe location." Crossed a line, open fire.

"This isn't similar." Of course not, that is ALWAYS the answer on these from you guys. I reject that paradigm. Rules for thee as well as me.

Were the police not suppose to protect the members of congress and let the rioters overtake the whole capital?

 

[DANC]

In what world would you think it would be okay for someone to try to go through a broken window with members of congress on the other side with police having guns pointed at you, with people screaming out that the cops have their guns drawn, and you still are dumb enough to try and go through those windows.

By the way, that those doors were clearly barricaded, so common sense says don't go in there.

Back the blue until it doesn't fit the narrative.

Must have been some real serious rioters to be stopped by a single gunshot.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Must have been some real serious rioters to be stopped by a single gunshot.

It stopped everyone in that hallway.

The right is starting to become the biggest hypocrites when it comes to police.... back the blue, until it's not convenient.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Really? On a normal day? Like when the Colbert group was trespassing, told to leave, and still stuck around?

You make this too easy.

At least you're in the ballpark by making a comparison to people who were in the same building.

The Colbert people presumably were on a list and cleared security to be there. Their crime was they overstayed their welcome.

The weren't a part of a seditious mob who was intent on finding and harming members of Congress and the Vice President.

Again, you have to be just effing with us. This is level of whataboutism really takes some work.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I am not misrepresenting anything. A "line in the sand" was drawn. That can arbitrarily be drawn at any point. "We are surrounded and being pelted with projectiles and pointy spears and we have nowhere else to go." If they keep pushing in we could really get hurt. That was the cop situation there. Line drawn, open fire.

"The protestors are over running our precinct station and they are attempting to light the courthouse on fire. If we don't stop them, someone could get hurt." Line drawn, open fire.

"The protestors are getting so rowdy outside that we have to move the President to a safe location." Crossed a line, open fire.

"This isn't similar." Of course not, that is ALWAYS the answer on these from you guys. I reject that paradigm. Rules for thee as well as me.

If the police in Minneapolis had decided the 3rd precinct building needed to be protected rather than abandoned for whatever reason, and then they had set up a "point of no return" line, and made it clear to protestors that crossing that line would result in deadly force, then any protestor who crossed that line would have no one to blame but himself for the inevitable result.

 

[IUCrazy2]

And run over any and all protestors who block traffic. Get a Rover with grill bumpers like the rich Haitians have when they mow through beggars

I know it sounds nuts but if deplorable get to find out when they f around, then there is a backlog of leftists that need to find out as well.

And if that isn't the case, maybe we need to dial back all that talk about Babbitt because it really comes from a place of "MAGA subhuman got what she deserved" and from the people espousing that line of reasoning you and I both know that is the case. They are cool with it because she was a "Trumper" and they are beneath.

 

[DANC]

It stopped everyone in that hallway.

The right is starting to become the biggest hypocrites when it comes to police.... back the blue, until it's not convenient.

Back the Blue doesn't mean giving them carte blanche to do anything they want.

Grow up.

 

[IUCrazy2]

If the police in Minneapolis had decided the 3rd precinct building needed to be protected rather than abandoned for whatever reason, and then they had set up a "point of no return" line, and made it clear to protestors that crossing that line would result in deadly force, then any protestor who crossed that line would have no one to blame but himself for the inevitable result.

But they never do that and that is my point. She had less value than they do. The people rotting in prison are viewed as lesser simply because politics.

We won't see eye to eye on this because you aren't walking the same political shoes. I don't have the energy to get into it all but this is just another in a line of disparate treatment that has me agitated.

 

[DANC]

At least you're in the ballpark by making a comparison to people who were in the same building.

The Colbert people presumably were on a list and cleared security to be there. Their crime was they overstayed their welcome.

The weren't a part of a seditious mob who was intent on finding and harming members of Congress and the Vice President.

Again, you have to be just effing with us. This is level of whataboutism really takes some work.

The Colbert group weren't on a list and were let in by a Democrat staffer. They were in no way authorized to be in the Capitol.

They were told to leave by the Capitol Police. They didn't.

So, by your logic - "Even on a normal day you'll likely be shot if you try to enter highly restricted areas of the Capitol after ignoring repeated warnings.", they could have been shot and killed and it would have been justified.

"Whataboutism" means "Sorry, but you're exposing my hypocrisy".

 

[Stuffshot]

What crime? Trespassing? She had no weapon and she was no physical threat to anyone. Ooooh, she was banging on a door..... the mob was led by a barely 5 foot female and she was going to break down the doors. Laughable.

You're insane if you think she was some threat to democracy.

I didn't realize you were such a drama queen.

Babbitt was 5'2".
Bonnie Parker was 4'11".
Ma Barker was 5'4".
Aileen Wuornos was 5'4".
Susan Atkins was 5'3".
Patricia Krenwinkel is 5'2".


Tell us again why little women aren't dangerous.

The Real Reason Bonnie Parker Had A Limp - Grunge

Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker, infamous thieves and murderers who cut a swath of violent crime across America in the 1930s, had lots of things in common. Including a limp.

www.grunge.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

I know it sounds nuts but if deplorable get to find out when they f around, then there is a backlog of leftists that need to find out as well.

And if that isn't the case, maybe we need to dial back all that talk about Babbitt because it really comes from a place of "MAGA subhuman got what she deserved" and from the people espousing that line of reasoning you and I both know that is the case. They are cool with it because she was a "Trumper" and they are beneath.

They are hypocrites. That's why it's imperative Danc not take his foot off the pedal. He's got one foot smashin the pedal and the other a mod's throat. I was worried we had lost him to shingles or something.

 

[Ohio Guy]

This thread reminds me that I keep forgetting to tell you all that I'm going to show up on day one of Pacers' training camp and make their roster. I've played basketball in high school and rec leagues in gyms in other cities and from what I understand there is zero degree of difference between me and anyone else vying for a roster spot since we've both played the exact same sport.

I figure if those guys play in gyms and I have too, it's pretty much the same thing. If I don't make the roster I'll consider it a huge miscarriage of justice and will come here to bitch about the precedent that would set.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

But they never do that and that is my point. She had less value than they do. The people rotting in prison are viewed as lesser simply because politics.

We won't see eye to eye on this because you aren't walking the same political shoes. I don't have the energy to get into it all but this is just another in a line of disparate treatment that has me agitated.

You are conflating different points, then.

We could reasonably argue and disagree about whether or not Minneapolis police should have abandoned the 3rd precinct. We could reasonably argue and disagree about whether or not Capitol police should have set up a potentially deadly defensive perimeter where they did. These are instances where other posters pointing out that the situations are not identical are correct - they are not identical. The Capitol police had a different job and different motives and different rules of engagement than the Minneapolis police did. All that's debatable.

However, you originally took issue with the "play stupid games" phrasing. It doesn't matter what the situation is. If you're in a situation where law enforcement has made it very clear that you cannot cross a certain point without risk of being suppressed with potentially deadly fire, and you decide to cross that point, anyway, that's on you.

 

[Stuffshot]

Trump voters are now untermenschen to the Dims and media now.

Soon we'll be forced to wear an identifier on our clothing.

Forced to? WTH? You're already doing it voluntarily.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Why protesters Code Pink stay out of jail

Peace activists Code Pink, known for disrupting congressional hearings, return to Capitol Hill week after week. And that's just fine with the authorities.

www.google.com

Parading should get you a night in jail and released. It was such a non-crime that lefty weirdos could interrupt Congress repeatedly and "no big deal". "Well they weren't violent." Neither were the majority of people who entered the Capitol on 1/6.

If you are a righty protestor you get shot or locked up in jail. Protest violently for BLM near the White House and you get an apology that we so meanly treated you. We will even change our rules for how we disperse you.

U.S. settles with Black Lives Matter protesters violently cleared from White House park

U.S. law enforcement agencies have agreed to change some of their policies for responding to demonstrations on federal property, part of a partial settlement agreement reached with Black Lives Matter protesters who were violently cleared from a park near the White House in June 2020.

www.reuters.com

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

maybe we need to dial back all that talk about Babbitt because it really comes from a place of "MAGA subhuman got what she deserved" and from the people espousing that line of reasoning you and I both know that is the case.

I think you're way off here, but if you are right, I agree that kind of thinking has no justification. I hope you also agree when it comes to all the people who need to point out the criminal histories of people who are killed by police, as though they "deserved" it because of their pasts.

 

[bawlmer]

Are there any law enforcement agencies anywhere in the country that teach the use of “warning shots”?

In marble hallways?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Why protesters Code Pink stay out of jail

Peace activists Code Pink, known for disrupting congressional hearings, return to Capitol Hill week after week. And that's just fine with the authorities.

www.google.com

Parading should get you a night in jail and released. It was such a non-crime that lefty weirdos could interrupt Congress repeatedly and "no big deal". "Well they weren't violent." Neither were the majority of people who entered the Capitol on 1/6.

If you are a righty protestor you get shot or locked up in jail. Protest violently for BLM near the White House and you get an apology that we so meanly treated you. We will even change our rules for how we disperse you.

U.S. settles with Black Lives Matter protesters violently cleared from White House park

U.S. law enforcement agencies have agreed to change some of their policies for responding to demonstrations on federal property, part of a partial settlement agreement reached with Black Lives Matter protesters who were violently cleared from a park near the White House in June 2020.

www.reuters.com

None of the 194 protestors who were 'kettled' and then arrested by DC Police last year will be charged, AG's office says

Acting DC Police Chief Robert Contee says his department has finished its internal report on the 'kettling' incident, but won't release it to the public.

www.wusa9.com

We don't prosecute you either. Tear gas and rubber bullets were supposedly used to disperse the crowd from the White House area. All good in this hood baby.

 

[Stuffshot]

Justified in shooting a small woman who was hanging on a door while his Capitol Police brethren were on HER side of the door.

Yeah, Ok.....

So, you're saying those police "on HER side of the door" were safe from your Jan. 6 buddies?

Why do you think that?

 

[IUCrazy2]

I think you're way off here, but if you are right, I agree that kind of thinking has no justification. I hope you also agree when it comes to all the people who need to point out the criminal histories of people who are killed by police, as though they "deserved" it because of their pasts.

The past doesn't matter, the present of the situation does.

I am just expressing what I feel is the frustration of a whole bunch of people on this side of the aisle with the idea that there does not appear to be equal treatment in these instances. I also fully believe that Babbitt was/is seen by a whole bunch of people on this board and out in the wide world as a "less than" who deserved it more because of her politics than anything terrible she really did.

I believe that a major issue we have right now is a break down in the faith in our institutions. This would be a major strike against our justice system. It is not blind. It intentionally seeks out and makes decisions based on influences outside the law.

 

[mrhighlife]

They are hypocrites. That's why it's imperative Danc not take his foot off the pedal. He's got one foot smashin the pedal and the other a mod's throat. I was worried we had lost him to shingles or something.

Not a good time to troll. You're one of the smarter posters here.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Not a good time to troll. You're one of the smarter posters here.

Why did I miss something? I'm living out of a hotel and not exactly tuned in - tho I have been upgraded to a suite

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

The past doesn't matter, the present of the situation does.

I am just expressing what I feel is the frustration of a whole bunch of people on this side of the aisle with the idea that there does not appear to be equal treatment in these instances. I also fully believe that Babbitt was/is seen by a whole bunch of people on this board and out in the wide world as a "less than" who deserved it more because of her politics than anything terrible she really did.

I believe that a major issue we have right now is a break down in the faith in our institutions. This would be a major strike against our justice system. It is not blind. It intentionally seeks out and makes decisions based on influences outside the law.

And I believe you and a lot on your side are suffering from a persecution complex. I don't think really anyone here, or anywhere, except maybe a few nutjobs, thinks Babbitt deserved what happened to her because she was a MAGA loyalist. I wouldn't even go so far as to say she "deserved" it at all. I think it was a tragedy. I just happen to think it was a tragedy of her own making.

Further to my point about your persecution complex, your frustration at a lack of equal treatment is misplaced. As you say you agree, the "present of the situation" is what matters. Leftists anywhere haven't really been treated like the people on Jan 6, because there is no comparable situation. Jan 6 was a unique situation, and as a result, it's not unreasonable that the particular response from police in that situation would be different from police responses in any other situation.

For the record, I think it's amazing and a credit to law enforcement that Babbitt was the only person killed that day.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

So, you're saying those police "on HER side of the door" were safe from your Jan. 6 buddies?

Why do you think that?

Looks peaceful to me

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Back the Blue doesn't mean giving them carte blanche to do anything they want.

Grow up.

They didn't do what they wanted. They did what they had to do to keep the members of congress safe that day.

You should take your own advice.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I know it sounds nuts but if deplorable get to find out when they f around, then there is a backlog of leftists that need to find out as well.

And if that isn't the case, maybe we need to dial back all that talk about Babbitt because it really comes from a place of "MAGA subhuman got what she deserved" and from the people espousing that line of reasoning you and I both know that is the case. They are cool with it because she was a "Trumper" and they are beneath.

I think there is a BIG difference between cheering on her death and acknowledging the outcome of her actions.

As far as I can tell, no one here is saying they're glad she got shot.

 

[Ohio Guy]

And I believe you and a lot on your side are suffering from a persecution complex. I don't think really anyone here, or anywhere, except maybe a few nutjobs, thinks Babbitt deserved what happened to her because she was a MAGA loyalist. I wouldn't even go so far as to say she "deserved" it at all. I think it was a tragedy. I just happen to think it was a tragedy of her own making.

Further to my point about your persecution complex, your frustration at a lack of equal treatment is misplaced. As you say you agree, the "present of the situation" is what matters. Leftists anywhere haven't really been treated like the people on Jan 6, because there is no comparable situation. Jan 6 was a unique situation, and as a result, it's not unreasonable that the particular response from police in that situation would be different from police responses in any other situation.

For the record, I think it's amazing and a credit to law enforcement that Babbitt was the only person killed that day.

Yes. Exactly. Your first paragraph says in a much better way what I just tried to say in a different post.

 

[Stuffshot]

You are conflating different points, then.

We could reasonably argue and disagree about whether or not Minneapolis police should have abandoned the 3rd precinct. We could reasonably argue and disagree about whether or not Capitol police should have set up a potentially deadly defensive perimeter where they did. These are instances where other posters pointing out that the situations are not identical are correct - they are not identical. The Capitol police had a different job and different motives and different rules of engagement than the Minneapolis police did. All that's debatable.

However, you originally took issue with the "play stupid games" phrasing. It doesn't matter what the situation is. If you're in a situation where law enforcement has made it very clear that you cannot cross a certain point without risk of being suppressed with potentially deadly fire, and you decide to cross that point, anyway, that's on you.

I wonder whether DANC feels that Babbitt also had the right to wander anywhere she wants throughout an airport, tarmac, on ramp, luggage carts, cockpits etc. Those also are no-go security zones. But she's just a little woman, he says.

DANC has never once told us how the officers were expected to stop Babbitt and her friends from proceeding further into the capitol -- all he keeps droning is that they should not have shot her because she had no weapon. But, of course he doesn't really know that because she and her fellow Trump supporters had avoided metal detectors.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

The past doesn't matter, the present of the situation does.

I am just expressing what I feel is the frustration of a whole bunch of people on this side of the aisle with the idea that there does not appear to be equal treatment in these instances. I also fully believe that Babbitt was/is seen by a whole bunch of people on this board and out in the wide world as a "less than" who deserved it more because of her politics than anything terrible she really did.

I believe that a major issue we have right now is a break down in the faith in our institutions. This would be a major strike against our justice system. It is not blind. It intentionally seeks out and makes decisions based on influences outside the law.

Who has ever expressed that Babbitt was less than because of her politics? She was shot because she tried get into a room that had acting congress members that had police with guns drawn. That's just dumb.

Would you do that kind of thing? I highly doubt you would. If she had been someone from the left, I'd be calling them dumb as well.

 

[IUCrazy2]

And I believe you and a lot on your side are suffering from a persecution complex. I don't think really anyone here, or anywhere, except maybe a few nutjobs, thinks Babbitt deserved what happened to her because she was a MAGA loyalist. I wouldn't even go so far as to say she "deserved" it at all. I think it was a tragedy. I just happen to think it was a tragedy of her own making.

Further to my point about your persecution complex, your frustration at a lack of equal treatment is misplaced. As you say you agree, the "present of the situation" is what matters. Leftists anywhere haven't really been treated like the people on Jan 6, because there is no comparable situation. Jan 6 was a unique situation, and as a result, it's not unreasonable that the particular response from police in that situation would be different from police responses in any other situation.

For the record, I think it's amazing and a credit to law enforcement that Babbitt was the only person killed that day.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't view 1/6 as special or different from Summer of 2020 (and other instances) and your argument is basically built around the idea that it is.

I don't have much more than that because neither of us are going to be convinced of the other's position no matter how many "look at this" we provide each other.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Why protesters Code Pink stay out of jail

Peace activists Code Pink, known for disrupting congressional hearings, return to Capitol Hill week after week. And that's just fine with the authorities.

www.google.com

Parading should get you a night in jail and released. It was such a non-crime that lefty weirdos could interrupt Congress repeatedly and "no big deal". "Well they weren't violent." Neither were the majority of people who entered the Capitol on 1/6.

If you are a righty protestor you get shot or locked up in jail. Protest violently for BLM near the White House and you get an apology that we so meanly treated you. We will even change our rules for how we disperse you.

U.S. settles with Black Lives Matter protesters violently cleared from White House park

U.S. law enforcement agencies have agreed to change some of their policies for responding to demonstrations on federal property, part of a partial settlement agreement reached with Black Lives Matter protesters who were violently cleared from a park near the White House in June 2020.

www.reuters.com

Nothing about that article suggests that there were violent BLM protests. It talks about protesters being violently displaced to install a fence, but there is no mention of any violence on the protesters' part.

And the apology from Milley was probably warranted. I agree he shouldn't have gone with Trump on that goofy photo-op for the reason he stated:

“I should not have been there,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a videotaped statement. “My presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics.”

 

[Stuffshot]

Must have been some real serious rioters to be stopped by a single gunshot.

Ah, the old strategy of thinking up new excuses one at a time after the earlier ones are discredited. Just like Trump's Mar-A-Lago strategy.

Now, DANC is claiming for the first time that she should not have been shot because the rioters were mot "serious." Laughable (pathetic, too).

 

[IUCrazy2]

I wonder whether DANC feels that Babbitt also had the right to wander anywhere she wants throughout an airport, tarmac, on ramp, luggage carts, cockpits etc. Those also are no-go security zones. But she's just a little woman, he says.

DANC has never once told us how the officers were expected to stop Babbitt and her friends from proceeding further into the capitol -- all he keeps droning is that they should not have shot her because she had no weapon. But, of course he doesn't really know that because she and her fellow Trump supporters had avoided metal detectors.

They could have started by not opening the doors and letting them in.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Respectfully disagree.

I don't view 1/6 as special or different from Summer of 2020 (and other instances) and your argument is basically built around the idea that it is.

I don't have much more than that because neither of us are going to be convinced of the other's position no matter how many "look at this" we provide each other.

Sure, we will continue to disagree, because you continue to insist - despite the complete lack of supporting evidence - that the only distinction the other side cares about is a political one. The fact that so many can describe pretty easily what other distinctions can be made, and the fact that you can dismiss them as not worthy even of discussion, I think together make it very clear that you are the one being driving by politics here.

 

[Ohio Guy]

The Colbert group weren't on a list and were let in by a Democrat staffer. They were in no way authorized to be in the Capitol.

They were told to leave by the Capitol Police. They didn't.

So, by your logic - "Even on a normal day you'll likely be shot if you try to enter highly restricted areas of the Capitol after ignoring repeated warnings.", they could have been shot and killed and it would have been justified.

"Whataboutism" means "Sorry, but you're exposing my hypocrisy".

You're wrong on several counts there:

Colbert called it "a fairly simple story," or at least it was "until the next night when a couple of the TV people started claiming that my puppet squad had quote 'committed insurrection' at the U.S. Capitol Building."

The "TV people" that Colbert referenced included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who called the CBS team "saboteurs" and falsely said that they breached the Capitol.

"They weren't in the Capitol building," Colbert said Monday night. "And I'm shocked I have to explain the difference — but an insurrection involves disrupting the lawful actions of Congress and howling for the blood of elected leaders, all to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.


And for what it's worth, they had been cleared to be there and filmed segments with both Democrats and Republicans. They weren't snuck into the Capitol and they weren't a part of a violent mob.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

The police in Chicago looked like Custer's last stand. The only difference is they did not draw a weapon. I am saying that in that next situation, they should draw (per the Babbitt precedent up above) and shoot the next "threatening" person. And then any others that are not detoured by the first one being shot. That was the precedent laid out above when facing a violent and threatening mob that was acting seditiously (attacking the government...which the police are part of...which the federal courthouse they tried to set on fire in Portland was part of...etc.)

And if this is all sounding crazy, that is entirely my point. A whole bunch of people in this thread are awfully flippant about shooting someone who "played a stupid game" and I assert that is because she is viewed as a "deplorable MAGA" who had it coming. I saw a bunch of people who would be more aligned with your politics who had it coming in 2020, I expect that same standard to be enforced in the future.

It's fun when we all get to make our own partisan rules.

were the Chicago cops protecting the federal courthouse in Portland? JFC, again, context matters and you're just making up scenarios that didn't happen.

If protestors has stormed the Supreme Court after Roe was overturned and were trying to get into physically harm any of the justices and the line in the sand had been drawn with a barricaded office door, weapon drawn and clear orders to stop, yet one of those protestors broke through the glass, disregarding the cop, the barricade and the warnings, and gotten shot, then they would have won the prize themselves, deservedly so.

 

[Stuffshot]

They could have started by not opening the doors and letting them in.

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Yes. They could have, but they didn't. So what?

They could also have performed a handstand and farted, but they didn't do that either.

The Trump rioters could have waited pariently for additional security gates to be opened but they didn't. They broke windows, broke doors, violently attacked and injured security cops. They broke in anyway -- that's how Babbitt had progressed to the place where she was shot. She was absolutely not waved into the secure part of the capitol.

What the authorities did do was establish a line in the sand and Babbitt (a military veteran who had surely been trained in weapons and military procedure) ignored that line.

The sexist "little woman" defenses of Babbitt by the MAGAs on this board is really surprising in this age (even for Republicans).

Edit to add more about Babbitt's biography:

Babbitt served 12 years in the Air Force and was deployed at least eight times including and she also spent 6 years in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar; from 2010, she served in a "Capitol Guardians" unit of the DC Air National Guard, assigned to defend the Washington D.C. region and quell civil unrest. She also worked in security at the Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant in Maryland. She was not a naive "little woman" as DANC says --in fact, it sounds like she would break DANC in half if he misbehaved.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Trump voters are now untermenschen to the Dims and media now.

Soon we'll be forced to wear an identifier on our clothing.

Already got one…MAGA hats. Been wearing them for years. Flags, bumper stickers. Ya’ll make it easy.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I know it sounds nuts but if deplorable get to find out when they f around, then there is a backlog of leftists that need to find out as well.

And if that isn't the case, maybe we need to dial back all that talk about Babbitt because it really comes from a place of "MAGA subhuman got what she deserved" and from the people espousing that line of reasoning you and I both know that is the case. They are cool with it because she was a "Trumper" and they are beneath.

You sure think you know what everyone else is thinking. Is mind reading one of your areas of expertise?