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Trump Just Lost Florida

Sell their soul? I am trying to preserve part of my 35 years of killing myself.

I bought $511 of groceries and had them delivered by instacart to a women and her son in Bloomington yesterday. She’s been off work sick for a few weeks. Did you do anything for anyone?

Good work on the groceries. And yes, we are regulars donating to our church food pantry.

My point is that supporting Trump for a tax cut disregards the serious destruction the country has absorbed in so many areas. I get that people want to pay less tax. I really do. But for this country to function we all need to have a general idea of right and wrong. We all need to recognize the red lines and guardrails. If that means I pay a little tax, so be it. I want to ensure this country for my kids.
 
The polls have to be accurate. Trump stands no chance. I am glad I am selling off most all my ownership in my firm. Won’t have to listen to pissed off business clients getting creamed with taxes. Plus I am going to get my capital gain before the socialists take it away. Lol.

Is that what your bosses in The Proud Boys told you to post here?

Attacking someone by baselessly attaching them to an unsavory group without a bit of evidence supporting it is kind of bullshit, isn't it?
 
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Good work on the groceries. And yes, we are regulars donating to our church food pantry.

My point is that supporting Trump for a tax cut disregards the serious destruction the country has absorbed in so many areas. I get that people want to pay less tax. I really do. But for this country to function we all need to have a general idea of right and wrong. We all need to recognize the red lines and guardrails. If that means I pay a little tax, so be it. I want to ensure this country for my kids.

I am truly not being argumentative but can you understand I think Biden and democrats are going to do the same thing to the country?

Good work on church pantry. I mentioned the groceries because it’s feels like a conservative always had to defend themselves that they’re not selfish pigs on here. Maybe that’s just my bad.
 
Is that what your bosses in The Proud Boys told you to post here?

Attacking someone by baselessly attaching them to an unsavory group without a bit of evidence supporting it is kind of bullshit, isn't it?

Socialists are unsavory?
 
I am truly not being argumentative but can you understand I think Biden and democrats are going to do the same thing to the country?

Good work on church pantry. I mentioned the groceries because it’s feels like a conservative always had to defend themselves that they’re not selfish pigs on here. Maybe that’s just my bad.

Stoll I don’t believe that. And didn’t believe that about W, McCain or Mitt. It’s not about party here. It’s all about Trump and what he has done to the GOP. Did you ever imagine that we would live in a time where the POTUS wouldn’t guarantee a peaceful transition of power? Can’t you acknowledge that that is extraordinary?
 
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I can never understand why the seniors vote for that man. What has he done for them, except for gouging their social security funds to pay for his pet project, 3 mile-long chicken fence along the Mexican border?:(
From Forbes: A Democratic candidate has not won voters over the age of 65 in two decades, and in 2016 Trump beat Clinton in that group by 8 points. In 2012, Mitt Romney won seniors by 12 points over Obama (56%-44%), and John McCain edged out Obama by 8 points in 2008 (53%-45%), according to exit polls."
 
Stoll I don’t believe that. And didn’t believe that about W, McCain or Mitt. It’s not about party here. It’s all about Trump and what he has done to the GOP. Did you ever imagine that we would live in a time where the POTUS wouldn’t guarantee a peaceful transition of power? Can’t you acknowledge that that is extraordinary?

I didn’t think I’d live in a time where a President would allow his FBI to spy on an opposition candidate.

Don’t the democrats have attorneys lined up to fight this election?

Many things I don’t like about Trump but I can’t vote for Biden and the left.
 
From Forbes: A Democratic candidate has not won voters over the age of 65 in two decades, and in 2016 Trump beat Clinton in that group by 8 points. In 2012, Mitt Romney won seniors by 12 points over Obama (56%-44%), and John McCain edged out Obama by 8 points in 2008 (53%-45%), according to exit polls."
That makes sense to me . . .

. . . seniors now are those who came of age either during or shortly after WWII. Their views of the world were created when the US was the world's primary superpower and dominant economic force. Their world was full of Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Doris Day and Peggy Lee . . . .

In short, they didn't have to give a damn about much. And still don't.

But as Goat said, there are 8 million over 65 who will die between now and election day, and 8 million of those who came of age a little later will become over 65. The demographics aren't static.
 
I didn’t think I’d live in a time where a President would allow his FBI to spy on an opposition candidate.

Don’t the democrats have attorneys lined up to fight this election?

Many things I don’t like about Trump but I can’t vote for Biden and the left.
J. Edgar Hoover doesn't mean anything to you?

I get that you won't vote for Biden or anyone who ain't right of Kelly Loeffler . . . but does that mean you have to vote for Trump, as if you have no choice?
 
Don’t the democrats have attorneys lined up to fight this election?
They have them lined up to take on the attacks the Republicans are already waging on the election, where they try to intimidate voters at the polls and will challenge every single mail-in or absentee vote they can.
 
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The polls have to be accurate. Trump stands no chance. I am glad I am selling off most all my ownership in my firm. Won’t have to listen to pissed off business clients getting creamed with taxes. Plus I am going to get my capital gain before the socialists take it away. Lol.
You are smarter than this. Biden is no socialist. Plus remember more of the big Wall Street firms are getting behind the idea of a Blue Wave. As Trump would say 401k, 401k!!!
 
The one with the couch on the front porch, the dog on a chain, and a Ford up on blocks.
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Biden is supposedly really strong all over except for Miami Dade.

Trump has a strong presence with Cuban males so... Biden needs to get down there and disavow Venezuela, try to convince the Cuban population that's he's not a communist and shave some points off of that gap.

Good news is, he's in Miami right now so it seems he's going to try to do just that.

Biden will win Palm Beach County, Broward and Miami Dade. Trump wins the more rural counties. Biden wins FL, that is not new news.
 
You are smarter than this. Biden is no socialist. Plus remember more of the big Wall Street firms are getting behind the idea of a Blue Wave. As Trump would say 401k, 401k!!!

Biden is far from a socialist, that said, he will have a ton of pressure on him from some pretty nasty places. It will be interesting to watch.
 
Florida obviously is a pink state currently so for Biden to win it an accomplishment. Before covid I don’t think Biden had much chance. Now it’s tight. Why? Florida has an unusual mix of seniors, from all over. While most may be conservative, what’s relevant is how many will consider voting for Biden.

One common characteristic of the ones who retired to Florida is they could afford to, hence they’re not dumb. Unlike Lucy Trumpniks, they’re not likely to ignore Trump’s balderdash about covid. For seniors a serious response to covid has life-prolonging consequences.

Every one that switches to Biden is a two-vote swing. How many will it take for Biden to win Florida? Biden doesn’t need to “win” seniors.

I discussed this in the total states thread earlier, but on FL it bears repeating. In the one state where Trump is actively encouraging mail-in voting (and therefore won't try to suppress it) ballot requests for Dems far outnumber those for Pubs.

This is common knowledge released by the FL Sec of State- I even saw a graphic reporting the discrepancy scroll across the bottom of the screen while watching a video from FNC. For reference, in 2016 mail ballot requests between Dems and GOP were basically even, and Trump won a nailbiter based on election day totals...

I think in some ways DeSantis has been Trump's worst enemy in FL, with some of the knucklehead moves he has pulled with regards to COVID. From cavalierly characterizing the state as "God's waiting room" to his blatant disregard for the health of teachers, adult employees, and susceptible family members by repeatedly demanding that schools have to open fully even while the situation was worsening.

But Trump is just an idiot. You can't continually downplay the effects of a virus because it "only harms older people" and NOT expect to lose support amongst some of those people. Last week he told maskless Trumpkins in Ohio that the virus affected "virtually nobody", which of course sat well with anyone who isn't a Trump cultist...

Why are all these Republicans getting COVID?

"The chairman of an Arkansas county Republican committee died from complications associated with COVID-19 on Tuesday—less than one month after his organization hosted a maskless gathering with other elected leaders.

Steven Farmer, who served as the chairman of the Craighead County Republican Committee, died on Tuesday after a weeks-long battle with the coronavirus that resulted in a stay at the ICU and a ventilator, his daughter and the organization announced.

The news comes just three weeks after his committee hosted an event with Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-TX), who contracted COVID-19 in July, for Reagan Day. Photos of the event show few attendees wearing masks and minimal social distancing. Arkansas state Rep. Dan Sullivan, who is currently spearheading a lawsuit to overturn the mask mandate and other health directives in his state, also appears to have spoken at the event."

 
Thanks. Trying to avoid Covid.
I thought Covid is nothing but a common cold! You should pay attention to our venerable president!
Even if you get it, a glass of cloro-something Dr. Trump recommends will fix it in no time! Come to think of it, I wonder whether our fearless president heeded his own advice.
 
That place is really fun... but it's been "discovered " now and is tough to get a time there for the all day play, which is what you want when visiting
I had a hard time believing that place is in South Pittsburg, TN. We take I-24 a lot, and South Pittsburg is the last place to stop before Monteagle . . . and other than fast food and gas stations the exit ain't much. Would be good to explore the town a bit.

Sounds like you've played it . . . do you need to be a scratch level golfer to enjoy it?
 
That makes sense to me . . .

. . . seniors now are those who came of age either during or shortly after WWII. Their views of the world were created when the US was the world's primary superpower and dominant economic force. Their world was full of Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Doris Day and Peggy Lee . . . .

In short, they didn't have to give a damn about much. And still don't.

But as Goat said, there are 8 million over 65 who will die between now and election day, and 8 million of those who came of age a little later will become over 65. The demographics aren't static.
No doubt the demographics aren't static.
Trump is losing those voters that Republicans could consistently count on.
Using the source Cortez linked it appears older Michigan voters preferred Biden regardless of gender, with Biden making especially big gains among older white men. These older Michigan voters overwhelmingly say they plan to vote by mail this year. "White men over 65 have shifted by 22.1% since early September with Biden now holding an 8.8% lead. White women over 65 have shifted by 17.6% with Biden now holding a 15.4% lead."
 
I thought Covid is nothing but a common cold! You should pay attention to our venerable president!
Even if you get it, a glass of cloro-something Dr. Trump recommends will fix it in no time! Come to think of it, I wonder whether our fearless president heeded his own advice.
The White House Virus is nothing to take lightly.
 
I had a hard time believing that place is in South Pittsburg, TN. We take I-24 a lot, and South Pittsburg is the last place to stop before Monteagle . . . and other than fast food and gas stations the exit ain't much. Would be good to explore the town a bit.

Sounds like you've played it . . . do you need to be a scratch level golfer to enjoy it?

No, not at all.... it's very playable. More of the modern design of recent years that emphasizes fun over brute difficulty that was popular in the 80s/90s. It's mainly all fairway height grass everywhere, with amazingly cool undulations.
 
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I didn’t think I’d live in a time where a President would allow his FBI to spy on an opposition candidate.

Don’t the democrats have attorneys lined up to fight this election?

Many things I don’t like about Trump but I can’t vote for Biden and the left.
See. this is par for how Republicans see how our government works. The FBI is part of the Department of Justice and works for America and the American people, not the President or his party. I know you all think the AG works for the President, but he's supposed to represent Americans. Perhaps we should change the Constitution so Congress can select the AG and the FBI director, so they don't become partisan to the President and his party, like William Barr has obviously done.
 
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From Forbes: A Democratic candidate has not won voters over the age of 65 in two decades, and in 2016 Trump beat Clinton in that group by 8 points. In 2012, Mitt Romney won seniors by 12 points over Obama (56%-44%), and John McCain edged out Obama by 8 points in 2008 (53%-45%), according to exit polls."
That is what said!

The Pubs have been screwing them right and left, and they keep voting for them. Are they just dumb or senile? Or, are they just tagging along with a man who is even seniler?

Amazing!
 
That is what said!

The Pubs have been screwing them right and left, and they keep voting for them. Are they just dumb or senile? Or, are they just tagging along with a man who is even seniler?

Amazing!

Baby boomers are now in the 65+ cohort.... and a larger growing share each cycle... and they are quite a bit more diverse politically.
 
Baby boomers are now in the 65+ cohort.... and a larger growing share each cycle... and they are quite a bit more diverse politically.
The middle of the baby boomers - born in 1955 - are just now in the 65+ cohort. The last half of the baby boomers - born in 1956 and after - are still getting there.

Baby boomers include those born between 1945 and 1965.
 
The middle of the baby boomers - born in 1955 - are just now in the 65+ cohort. The last half of the baby boomers - born in 1956 and after - are still getting there.

Baby boomers include those born between 1945 and 1965.

That's what I intended to imply... boomers are a growing segment of the 65+ vote every election cycle.
 
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