MAGA = Trump. Until he is a carcass nothing can change that
Truly disgusted
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The natives has also never seen a white person before. If a green alien lands I think we can agree to be hesitant. But in 2024 we have no excuse to fear Haitians
I’ve never name called or dehumanized a poor American. Not sure where this accusation originates
The reason you think that is because you’re starting from the flawed premise that the underlying fear and angst is driven primarily by race. It’s not - it’s driven primarily by culture.
It’ll make more sense to you once you come to realize this, if you ever do. But I’m skeptical you will…which is not unusual for people who are insistent that almost everything finds its way back one way or another to racism.
I would also add to this that it’s foolish to expect that humans will ever overcome human nature. I’m quite sure that it’s pretty much etched in stone.
Definitely not true with me. I’ve generally poo-pood all the whining and race baiting BS through the years, but this “Haitians eating pets” BS by Trump/Vance really bothered me and those who discount it are being very naive. We welcomed the Ukrainians with open arms. Vastly different cultural background but low skin melanin. And we had communities suddenly inundated with Ukrainians. Maybe not 30K but still a lot. But Haitians don’t look like us and they have voodoo dolls of DANC and DBM. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to see what the top of the Republican ticket is trying to do with this to manipulate voters. I’m almost 54 but I’m still pretty pliable with my ability to discern
Accepting Christ as personal savior is the only way to overcome human nature
The issue was the amount of migrants. You’re once again dehumanizing the Springfield citizens. Why do you hate poor people so much?
Part of that, too, is that these cultures assimilated.
You shouldn’t be so critical of xenophobia. You fit right in. Your whole point in this thread is to make MAGA your personal “other”.
A fair point that I considered including.
But I decided not to because (a) the American citizenry of that time wouldn’t have known they would…at least when it first started happening, and (b) so high a percentage of American citizens of that era were themselves only a generation or two removed from parents or grandparents who were immigrants.
But, yes, the concept of assimilation is very important when discussing immigration and culture. It’s OK that people, wherever they live, value their culture and don’t want to see it affected, altered, put in conflict with other ones.
It can be useful to imagine how we’d look at a similar situation with the roles reversed.
You got me. I admit it. I’m terrified of redneck white trash Trumpophiles. I’ll start therapy ASAP
It is a fascinating thing to watch. We have the second most Bosnians in the world after Bosnia itself. They’ve been here since the war. And while they’ve assimilated they very much stick together. Live in the same neighborhood. Kids are all friends with each other. Create consolidated economic areas. Even submit their own teams to leagues. It’s our nature to somewhat gravitate to our own. Watch any prison show
Very true. And I agree that it’s fascinating.
But some people are just so jaundiced about these issues - and they almost invariably end up ascribing nefarious motives to it. I tend to look at it as being about as predictable as the sunrise.
I’m not saying this, at all, to defend the nonsense about cat-eating Haitians. That messaging campaign was, like many narratives in Trump-world, just callous and bizarre.
But as a general point, it’s very normal for natives to be squeamish about the introductions of foreign cultures…especially when the one thing people know (or think they know) about Haitian culture is the Vodou that most Americans only understand as something of a spooky cultural oddity in New Orleans.
To compare that to the Swedes, for instance, just misses this point entirely.
Oh, Moses smell the roses.
I’m glad Paul Harvey isn’t around to have to endure that farce of a video…that almost certainly wasn’t intended as the parody it actually is.
Y’all are just soft, triggered girly men. Lefty loons have neutered all the men in its party.
The "other" is scary until a person is directly exposed to the "other" and then that person realizes that "other" is just a human being who share many of the same values as they do.
The thing that sticks out to me is that it's not the locals who have driven this. It's national politicians who see an opportunity to exploit fear. It's effective because, while the people in Springfield who live and work with Haitians mostly are transcending that fear of the other, the people nationally responding to it don't have the interaction to do so and remain scared. The folks in Springfield have and are finding that there is a lot more to Haitians than voodoo.
I agree with this for the most part.
But wake me up the next time we have politicians who don’t exploit fear for political gain. It tends to work and is also about as predictable as the sunrise - which is why it’s notable when one comes along who doesn’t do this.
It’s one of the primary reasons I was so fond of Mitch Daniels. The only thing he’s really ever stoked fear about is our public debt - which I think warrants more fear than it usually elicits.
Did I use difficult words? Hard to understand how you missed it so badly.
Yeah. Democrats exploit fear a ton and it makes me really frustrated. I've been a fan of the pushes Harris made to put an aspirational face on her campaign. I suppose when you are running against Donald Trump you can try to let him do the negative heavy lift for you.
I disagree with Mitch Daniels politically, but have a ton of respect for him. Totally get why you have been such a big fan.
He called you soft, which is true. Put the shitty Sci-Fi book down and take some martial arts class. Also, lift some weights and eat more steak.
I think you’re an easily triggered girlie man. If you’re not a woman, that is. You’re quite emotional.
I call bullshit on the locals not driving it. If people didn’t care it wouldn’t be a news story. Also, the Democrats are polling terrible with immigration for a reason.
I’d rather pay to get my ass kicked than play Trivial Pursuit ever again.
Come on dumping thousands of Haitians in Springfield OH is causing a lot of problems. Where do these people live? Where do they work? Social services are running out of money. And you call these concerns nativism?
" I’m proud of where I live and what its values stand for.
Curious what you think those "values" are? I was always told this song epitomized American values...
I'm not sure why you used Pakistan, considering all the xenophobia which has accompanied Indians and Pakistanis settling in Britain...It's a simplistic analysys, but maybe if the Brits didn't want people from the Indian subcontinent to settle in England and the French didn't want Algerians and Moroccans to emigrate to France they might have been better off not invading India and North Africe respectively.
And if you are going to "incorporate" the people of those countries into your Empire you can't really be too upset when those former colonists decide they want to move to the Mother country...I mean wasn't being a "citizen" of the Empire a selling point to create loyalty to the Empire in the first place?
in case you haven’t been paying attention they are working and the employers are thrilled have them
