This is for all you fire the coach guys.
- Thread starter Rockport Zebra
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Your post bears out exactly what I said. After his Baby Boilers era he had two years of meh, and another year of suck. Had he been coaching at IU, many of the experts here would have wanted him gone. Hell, a lot of the experts on their board wanted him gone.
Biggest difference is that Painter got his recruiting bonanza right away. Crean got his after his third season. Just like Painter with his big class, when Zeller, Dipo, wat, etc were finished there was a big dropoff.
But a 6th place finish would've been Creans 4th best season of his entire IU career. That 6th place finish got PU to the tournament and they won their first game. The 7th place finish did tie Creans 4th best season. That year they went to the CBI quarterfinals (not a bragging right but again, by far better than Crean). So the 7th and 12th were his real worst seasons, but they were backed by 6 straight tournament appearances all of which they made past the first round and 2 sweet 16s. Crean never made more than 2 tourneys in a row.
That was the argument. They both did basically the same. You can argue one had an advantage or disadvantage. (Crean sanction years)
Ok, name those years. I just pointed out above that his 2 years of meh, one of them he finished 6th in the B1G, made the tournament and won their first round tournament game. Also, he had made 6 straight tournaments before those 2 bad years.
We have played well with X. Hopefully he comes back and plays well again. Newton wasn’t expected to be injured by this season. He was reportedly improperly treated, but is back on track now.
Nope. 2013 and 2014 he missed the tournament 7th and 12th. Crean had those first three years he missed(understandable)and then didn’t miss the tournament back to back while at IU.
So you agree with me then as you need to rely on sarcasm?
Look, in the end, some of us want the same thing. I know there are negative nancies and there's a common theme with their posts. They also disappear often which I tend to just block them over time. But I will not settle for mediocrity or adhere to anything tied to a "good loss". That's all. Yesterday to me wasn't vindication that we've improved because we've seen this team do this at times this year already. Its easy to play like that in our annual national TV home game in December vs a top team. But if they turn around and play someone like Army, and others of the same quality, in the same manner........that's highly concerning.
What? What years are we comparing because you seem to be all over the place? So we justify bad years for one coach and not the other? Well how do we go about defending our points if we're using our own personal opinions to dilute the facts in front of us?
I’m not concerned until mid January. That’s when it gets interesting. Look man. I get it. I’ve just seen to many teams do great in November/December and crap out. Same with looking bad and then winning deep in the tournament. Big ten starts and this team loses 3 in a row then I’ll get concerned.
The first 5. Then we went further to Creans years and compared them. Bad years are no tournament. While Crean was at IU painter was bad too. Enough that he would likely been fired at IU or other programs. You didn’t follow the IG argument timeline. Once Crean was fired painter got better. We are just saying no way would this board been singing his praises back then.
I was referring to other comments with my fired comment. I think your comment about Pearl and Self is fair. I also agree about MM.
That’s not stupid. We didn’t play well early in the season with him. Hence why I asked what game.
Why do you confine it to this season after recovering from an injury? The answer is that you want to attempt to support your stupid agenda. I’m not playing with stupid. Carry on.
But again, Painter had 2 bad seasons after 6 straight 2nd round or sweet 16 appearances. So no, your statement is false.
What people? Not this guy. He's our best guard right now, if he's able to play, and we are missing him. The minutes Cupps is getting will probably pay off in more improvement for him sooner rather than later, but we need X now to win the tough games.
People keep saying this but Newton was NOT injured for the year when we signed him. Some thought he may not start the year but I never heard he might be out all season until the second surgery in the summer. Just stop with this nonsense.
How do you not understand that X is currently 4X the player Cupps is? He is a super senior guard that can score, defend, and shoot. All people can say is he wasn’t playing great in meaningless games.
His one full year with us he averaged 12 pts and 5 assists. Even if he isn’t one ounce better than that, we need it desperately now and it would make a difference in the win/loss column.
And again, I don't know that anyone is trying to argue that Crean is as successful a coach as Painter in the long term. The similarities lie in the success with a single recruiting cycle and then a significant falloff thereafter.
The only real point trying to be made here is that IF Painter had been at IU for pay to play tournament season, or for the second successive season with no invite, several of the posters who praise him now, would have been screaming for his head at the time.
Well we just had a 2nd round team and finished 2nd in the Big Ten and you seem ready to fire Woodson now. Seems like you would 100% have bitched and whined about Painter too.
The program Painter built? He hasn't done any more than anyone else has done there.
Dude is a Purdoo troll. Can’t believe some people on here can’t figure it out.
But again, I just proved why there aren't similarities. That's the entire point. There are no similarities.
I just showed you the similarities. If you choose not to see them as such. You do you. Enjoy your evening.
