Sure, Mark can be a bit cheeky...
But I also think it's easy to diagnose hypocrisy, and it doesn't get much easier than with VPM
These are not political prisoners
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But I also think it's easy to diagnose hypocrisy, and it doesn't get much easier than with VPM
To some. Not to me. At least not in this respect.
I don’t hold the Federal government as sacrosanct so actions committed at the Capitol should warrant the same punishment as if they were taken at a PTA meeting.
Sure does. It didn’t happen until the police sprayed them with pepper spray and rubber bullets when they had broken no law yet. The media never wants to mention that.
I watched that whole mess live.... You're full of shit. Defending rioters not a good look
Van has no bigger critic here than me. But calling someone out for hypocrisy and labeling religious beliefs/faith/conviction as “fantasy” are two very different things.
Regarding illegal immigrants being frightened...
They broke our laws. Isn't it kind of to be expected that somebody would be frightened if they broke the law (whatever law) and risked getting caught?
I get that she's making some kind of emotional appeal. But I try to put myself in the other guy's shoes. If I went to a foreign country and deliberately violated their immigration laws, I'm pretty sure I'd always be looking over my shoulder.
And the blame for my fear belongs on....their government?
I don’t know what these people knew or didn’t know. I agree that this was politically orchestrated.
But they could be wrong but still have had facts to make them think it might have been a Russian disinformation campaign. Intelligence assessments by their very nature are probabilistic, like weather predictions or the like.
In general, though, I agree that too many intelligence/foreign policy “experts” aren’t held to account for their mistaken predictions or assessments. The Iraq invasion is the prime example of my lifetime.
I'd be interested to know what facts they'd have had to make them think it.
Keep in mind that this letter and its signatories were put together hastily. Emails regarding it have been released and the letter came out pretty shortly after news of the laptop broke. Mike Morrel is the one who put it together and reached out to the others.
On top of that, are you aware of any of them issuing a mea culpa since we've learned more about this? I think Occam tells us all that we need to know about what this was. And I just find it so telling that the people who would normally be making a lot of noise about election interference, or about misinformation/disinformation, about tearing down the trust of our institutions, etc...
...are just deafeningly quiet about this whole ordeal.
And why? Because it was done to help Biden (and thus thwart Trump) -- which makes it all OK.
Yup, dumb unarmed bitch. What did she think was going to happen? They were going to welcome her with open arms? LOL! Boom - she dead.
God has already spoken about homosexuality and there being two genders
The issue of illegals is about law. Every undocumented peoples are law breakers so they are criminals. What taxes are they paying if they are being paid under the table? Every employer who does this is also a criminal bad message from her from a biblical point of view.
The letter is a con job on its face.
None of the signers saw or read any email.
The signers had no basis to say anything.
Dropping Rudy’s name was a distraction.
The media amplified the con.
The letter served its intended purpose.
Yeah they opposed the Don and they made a misjudgement during an election cycle. They all have little to lose all being older than dirt. We should all start ignoring everyone over age 70, for the good of the country.
Lev disagrees.
The perfect phone call is proof.
The MO is to find someone to lie, then repeat the lie as if you had nothing to do with it.
Look at Rudy's lie in the Georgia election case. 119 million. Read the transcript of the 2nd perfect call to the SoS. Notice how many times the lie was used.
"Everyone says". "All the people are saying".
Fake outrage. Wash. Rince. Repeat.
The Biden campaign found 51 people to lie. Biden repeated it as if he had nothing to do with it.
It's nothing more than a real life enactment of 'Grumpy Old Men....The Presidency'
Terrible miserable fks all of them. Pulling us down into their dying existence. Fkn Boomer assholes. @JamieDimonsBalls
They all deserve exactly what they got. They thought they were untouchable and could do anything they wanted to.
My point exactly. Your hidden premise is that DJT got outplayed at his own game by an unfit dementia patient and his crack head son.
I agree with @twenty02 . Fks, all of them.
Good night, y'all.
Maybe you don't understand. They didn't get anything. It's a fake news story. None of them had anything to take away.
Important point.
Morell testified that the genesis of this letter was a phone call he received from Antony Blinken, who was an adviser to the Biden campaign.
And you’re right: Biden cited the letter (a) as proof the laptop was a Russian plant, and (b) as if it was written and signed independently of their own volition.
I’d be surprised to learn that the former CIA directors and former DNI, at least, didn’t have active security clearances.
But it’s not even that important if they do or don’t. What’s important is there was something done to hold them accountable for injecting disinformation into a presidential campaign.
Biden is a habitual liar and grifter. Trump is the same thing unfortunately 100x.
We're COOKED
Okay, taking away their security clearances isn’t taking away anything. Got it.
Their value on the rubber chicken circuit is their security clearance and presumed inside info. They are now worthless as public speakers and authors.
There is nothing hateful about stating facts and truth. She was a dumb brainwashed MAGAt bitch and she deserved to get shot. It's not like I'm a ****ing Nazi...
Yeah whatever. I don't think they care. They understood what they were doing and how the process works.
A clearance means nothing.
That's like step 1.
You also need to have an organization that is responsible for your clearance, which means you're working somewhere that has cleared access....and then actually have a 'need to know'
Unless these people were using their TS clearance to actually work govt related jobs, it means absolutely nothing. You don't just get a TS badge and get to go do whatever the fk you want to do discussing classified info
Lol. No it's not. You don't have a clue. That's so stupid it's embarrassing you posted it.
Good God you can't be this dumb.
They don't have them. They expire within 24 months of leaving govt. If they were still working for some govt contractor that required them, they'll have an employment problem... But they are a bunch of geezers way beyond employment age. And if not I'm sure they'll do fine elsewhere without a clearance.
Going around telling stories about their career is not reliant upon a security clearance
The amazing stupidity shared in this thread about govt security clearances is unbelievable. No wonder we continue to elect dotards.
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In this USA article it indicates most still have their clearances.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump took the action after the former officials said in 2020 that leaks from Hunter Biden laptop could be "a Russian information operation."
www.usatoday.com
In this USA article it indicates most still have their clearances.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump took the action after the former officials said in 2020 that leaks from Hunter Biden laptop could be "a Russian information operation."www.usatoday.com
Stoll, I love you, but I'm getting tired. That EO is theatrics.
Go read this thread...
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Personally, I don’t care if they still have clearances or not. It’s incidental to this.In this USA article it indicates most still have their clearances.
Check out this article from USA TODAY:
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump revokes security clearances of former intelligence officials
Trump took the action after the former officials said in 2020 that leaks from Hunter Biden laptop could be "a Russian information operation."www.usatoday.com
The point is to have something that counts as accountability, even if it’s substantially pro forma.
Our IC was already suffering from a credibility gap in public confidence and trust. To come along and add this onto the pile was utterly irresponsible - particularly in the context of the Mueller report having already shot craps.
That part is only true if they were to include classified information in their speech. That would be rare and would be as a guest speaker invited to a classified government event. That doesn’t pay very much. They get per diem, travel and lodging for a day or so and a max of $2500 a day speaking fee. That may have gone up a little in the last decade, but not much if it did. The real money for the high up muckety mucks (former Directors, Secretaries, Presidents, etc.) is the corporate speaking circuit and books, and all that is unclassified. This will do no actual financial damage to them. It’s a symbolic gesture.
