Enough people said they would have voted differently without the letter to sway them swinging the vote to Trump; that is how it changed the 2020 election.
These are not political prisoners
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I was aware of Marines and Sailors losing their security clearance over far less mistakes; these people deserve to lose their clearance.
Not according to the attorney for several of them....
The order, which includes many who likely no longer hold security clearances due to the length of their time out of government, could be seen as an opening salvo against members of the intelligence community, which Trump and many of his supporters accuse of plotting to discredit him.
“The signatories willfully weaponized the gravitas of the Intelligence Community to manipulate the political process and undermine our democratic institutions,” according to the order.
Trump in 2018 revoked the clearance of ex-CIA Director John Brennan, an outspoken critic.
The new order is significantly broader. Topping the list of those stripped of access is Leon Panetta, a lifelong government official who served in Congress, as well as a variety of positions in both Democratic and Republican administrations including leading the CIA during the Osama bin Laden raid. He also served as defense secretary and White House chief of staff.
Others to make the list include James Clapper, who was Director of National Intelligence under former President Barack Obama; and Michael Hayden, a retired Air Force 4-star general, former director of the CIA and director of the National Security Agency.
While many of the 50 people named likely do not have active clearances, the order could mean that companies would no longer rely on them for strategic advice.
Attorney Mark Zaid, who represents eight of the people named, posted on X Monday evening that “few” of the former government officials named in the order “even maintain current eligibility or access to classified info,”
Biden sucks for commuting that guy's sentence, @bailey777 . Some of his other pardons and commutations were also unforgivable.
I said on this board (I'll produce the post if you doubt me) a year before the election that Jill needed to have a "come to Jesus" talk with Biden and convince him to step aside. That didn't happen, at least not then. Biden was a selfish bastard for hanging on as long as he did. It caused damage not only to his party but to the country.
But here's the good news, @bailey777 . Biden's gone. He's entirely irrelevant now. But your boy is just beginning his second act. Let's hear you, for once, call him out for something. Not in your DNA though, is it? Or your anatomy. I still remember your disappearing act here (for several months) after the 2022 mid-terms went completely contrary to your many predictions. No balls. Maybe, finally, you'll grow a pair in 2025. Happy New Year.
But he was perfectly capable of being the President until yesterday?
Not our decision to make. Here's a good read on his decline. It's in NYT, but it's not like they go easy on him:
If he doesn’t declassify and release everything he promised to we will definitely be calling him out.
My opinion was he was probably OK to finish that term. His team and family thought he was. My concern always was a second term which I thought there was no way he could finish. It's why I was saying long before the primaries that he should step aside and let the younger people have at it. I think both of the geezers should have stepped aside.
Biden’s decline is light years past trump. There’s not a chance in hell Biden could have done what trump did yesterday. Your bias is showing again
I agree. Biden's decline is way past Trump's. I've said this probably half a dozen times.
Yet when Biden was still in the race you couldn't help to bring up Trump's alleged declines when this board was talking about the latest Biden gaffe to make it seem like the age factor was a wash. Now that he's out it's way past Trump's? That NYT times article was riveting...for those that had their heads in the sand regarding the fragility of Biden. For those that were actually paying attention, that article was simply a rehash of everything we already saw and understood sprinkled with quotes from aides about hiding his failings.
Let's not rewrite our opinions now that the dog isn't in the fight anymore.
Pretty sure that’s fake or heavily embellished news.
I’ve been posting he’s mushy peas for years. I suspect he was out of it most of his term and that’s why we got squad politics. I’d bet you if Biden ran and won in 2016 his presidency would have been nothing like this disaster. I bet it would have been fine. Not pleasing to pubs but fine. Moderate. And I bet he would have won
The article was just a good breakdown of the inner workings of the process. Yes, we all saw his decline and formed opinions about it. Mine has been very clear.
Even when Biden was in the race and was walking through the primaries, I said he should step down. I said the Democrats should fight it out at the DNC. He stepped down and anointed Harris instead. I never said the age factor was a wash. I've always said that Biden's decline was much further along than Trump's. Always. If you want to criticize me, be truthful.
I had no dog in the fight. I clearly stated many times that I strongly felt Trump is unfit for the office of President. I felt no joy that Harris was the other candidate. I still think Trump is unfit, but my opinion on that is totally irrelevant. Trump is our President now. I will support our President to the extent I feel necessary as I always do - joyfully or not. President Trump is OUR President. Celebrate it and move on.
And so it begins!!!! Cannot wait for the interviews.
nypost.com
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, ex-Proud Boys boss Enrique Tarrio set free by Trump
Former Proud Boys extremist group leader Enrique Tarrio and Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes have been released from prison.
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I don't have evidence that any of the pardoned hurt police. Case by case basis would have to look at several factors. Did the police start the violence etc.
You're saying that no police officers were beaten over the head with flagpoles, nunchucks, and billy clubs? That the videos showing such beatings were faked? That the medical records showing broken bones and severe concussions were all just made up?
It's quite a fantasy world that you live in, pastor.
By the standard set on Jan 6, obstruction of an official proceeding should mean criminal convictions of those who disrupted the hearing of Pete Hegseth's nomination.
The Jan 6 convictions of those who were merely there is a joke and the self-righteous here know that.
Always said that Biden's decline is much further along than Trump's? Again when the dog was in the fight you fought the good fight. Yes you repeatedly said that the Dems should replace him but when they weren't you fought that fight.
They should get the same punishment as those who attacked and injured police officers during the Summer of Love.
Of course, I said all those things and more than you copied. I forget that if something is said in every single post, it was never said. I very clearly said more than once that Biden's decline was much further along than Trump's. I also said that when combined with Trump's mental issues, it's a dangerous mix.
Look, all my opinions about Trump were my honest opinions. My opinions about Biden were my honest opinions as well. The election is over, and Trump is now our President. We will live with that. I will support the President to whatever extent I feel compeled to do.
Just accept your victory and move on. I'm not interested in fighting over the election again.
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You left out the word unarmed. Let that sink in.
Pastor. As a man of the cloth I would like your opinion on something in which you are a subject matter expert.
What are your thoughts on the below sermon?
Episcopalians amiright?
If someone were breaking a window into your house and you had a gun, would you protect your family with force or are you gonna wait until you see if they're armed?
Your right to be an atheist, but mocking believers is a really bad look.
Sure, Mark can be a bit cheeky...
But I also think it's easy to diagnose hypocrisy, and it doesn't get much easier than with VPM
To some. Not to me. At least not in this respect.
I don’t hold the Federal government as sacrosanct so actions committed at the Capitol should warrant the same punishment as if they were taken at a PTA meeting.
Sure does. It didn’t happen until the police sprayed them with pepper spray and rubber bullets when they had broken no law yet. The media never wants to mention that.
