These are not political prisoners
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I’m talking about the corporate speaking circuit. I’m not talking about disclosing classified info. A former mucky muck who has been stripped of security clearance I don’t think is as valuable.
I doubt the corporate speaking circuit will care about that. They're unclassified speeches by former big shots and clearance isn't relevant. Besides, many that speak on that circuit have been out of their jobs for years and don't have clearances anyway. It's not like they lost them for committing crimes. That might matter. Some or most of the 51 likely don't have clearances any longer either. I recall a few of them were on government consulting contracts and those probably did/do.
You can’t be serious.
Comey was bilaterally awful. The Hillary fiasco followed by the clandestine leak of his notes of the Trump meeting. He had no sense. The worst.
It just amazing the lefties on here are up in arms over J6 but crickets over biden letting out a guy who killed two FBI agents and other murderers. Also, they burned 164 structures to the ground in the Minneapolis RIOTS and from what I have read only four people got a jail sentence over this. Amazing they could not find anyone else to arrest but somehow you could find grandma who walked into the capital. The hypocrisy of you lefties is beyond comical but I guess when CNN tells you over and over again MAGA are terrorists you start to believe it. I knew the J6 pardons would set them off and boy was I right! Once the J6 lawsuits start it will set them off even further.
No, sir. I'm alluding to DJT's hiring the "best people". They were all the best people, until when? What do they all have in common?
If you give DJT the benefit of every doubt, you're left with, he's a terrible judge of character.
I think he assembled an outstanding group to become part of his administration. Not all of them, but many.
When he ran I was concerned that quality people wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot poll. The opposite is true.
I think we'll have to wait and see. If I were a betting man, I'd say he'll be trashing 30-40% of these cabinet appointees on X/Truth Social before Christmas. I could be wrong though.
DJT was overwhelmed by a massive force of media, big tech, government, Democrats and a virus. He had no chance.
Trump learned many lessons the first time around. His AG is not going to recue herself when Chuck S starts telling her too. Also, big tech is not controlled by leftists anymore and most people think the legacy media is a joke. We now have alternative media and don't need ABC or CNN. Vance will have a very good chance of getting elected in 2028 as long as the economy is in decent shape and the border is secure. Administrations usually do win two terms in a row. Trump had no chance with Covid but still almost won. Biden would have won again in he would have just secured the border and not spent like crazy.
Not the value. The value is their continuing access to secret/confidential/crypto confidential materials. So many of these prostitutes are snapped up upon retirement by a myriad of 'defense' and surveillance industry companies, specifically for this access.
This post is a great demonstration of what I mean when I say that Donald Trump being the target has clouded people's judgment about it.
What does that matter? Something has either been properly vetted or it hasn't. And for intel pros to express a view on something that hasn't been properly vetted is reckless.
It doesn't become less reckless by complaining that they weren't given enough time. If they had properly vetted it (and weren't being disingenuous), they'd have never written that letter.
As DNI Ratcliffe pointed out at the time, they had no reason to believe the laptop was a Russian op.
What in the world does "contemporaneously accurate" mean?
They were wrong. Are you aware of something that was cited as having been pulled from the hard drive that was fabricated? Because you seem to be suggesting you are.
Whether or not the intel people knew what they were suggesting was false only they can say. That does matter -- it's the difference between knowingly lying and making a false declaration due to insufficient evidence. But the only two explanations here are dishonesty and irresponsibility. And neither one of them is good.
Did you notice that arguments their lawyer made are (a) they have a 1A right to say whatever they want (even if it's false) and (b) they included the words "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation" as a caveat?
While that's a tepid defense on its own, it seems important to note that the "earmarks" caveat was missing when their letter was cited by Joe Biden as proof that the laptop was a "Russian plant" and "garbage". Here....
Keep in mind when you watch that video two things: (1) Joe Biden almost certainly knew when he said it that the laptop was genuine...unless he was so derelict as to not even ask his own son about it, and (2) the genesis of the letter was his own campaign. Mike Morell has testified that he was approached by Antony Blinken about putting it out.
I'm certainly not defending anything and everything Donald Trump has ever said or claimed. I'm more than happy to call out his bullshit when he's spewing it. Have in the past, will in the future.
But, in this instance, what you're saying is precisely backwards. The laptop was authentic. And I'm not aware of anything that has been reported as coming from it that was not authentic. The Russians didn't have the first thing to do with it.
So, yes, the 51 intel vets are being punished for having propagated disinformation.....even if their defense is that they tacked on a disclaimer. The entire purpose of the letter was to provide cover for the Biden campaign and the media to denounce it as fraudulent.
But the laptop wasn't fraudulent. Their suggestion that it was a "Russian information operation" was.
What does that matter? Something has either been properly vetted or it hasn't. And for intel pros to express a view on something that hasn't been properly vetted is reckless.
It doesn't become less reckless by complaining that they weren't given enough time. If they had properly vetted it (and weren't being disingenuous), they'd have never written that letter.
As DNI Ratcliffe pointed out at the time, they had no reason to believe the laptop was a Russian op.
What in the world does "contemporaneously accurate" mean?
They were wrong. Are you aware of something that was cited as having been pulled from the hard drive that was fabricated? Because you seem to be suggesting you are.
Whether or not the intel people knew what they were suggesting was false only they can say. That does matter -- it's the difference between knowingly lying and making a false declaration due to insufficient evidence. But the only two explanations here are dishonesty and irresponsibility. And neither one of them is good.
Did you notice that arguments their lawyer made are (a) they have a 1A right to say whatever they want (even if it's false) and (b) they included the words "all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation" as a caveat?
While that's a tepid defense on its own, it seems important to note that the "earmarks" caveat was missing when their letter was cited by Joe Biden as proof that the laptop was a "Russian plant" and "garbage". Here....
Keep in mind when you watch that video two things: (1) Joe Biden almost certainly knew when he said it that the laptop was genuine...unless he was so derelict as to not even ask his own son about it, and (2) the genesis of the letter was his own campaign. Mike Morell has testified that he was approached by Antony Blinken about putting it out.
I'm certainly not defending anything and everything Donald Trump has ever said or claimed. I'm more than happy to call out his bullshit when he's spewing it. Have in the past, will in the future.
But, in this instance, what you're saying is precisely backwards. The laptop was authentic. And I'm not aware of anything that has been reported as coming from it that was not authentic. The Russians didn't have the first thing to do with it.
So, yes, the 51 intel vets are being punished for having propagated disinformation.....even if their defense is that they tacked on a disclaimer. The entire purpose of the letter was to provide cover for the Biden campaign and the media to denounce it as fraudulent.
But the laptop wasn't fraudulent. Their suggestion that it was a "Russian information operation" was.
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60% of R's believe the 2020 election was stolen. No evidence. Zero. DJT is winning the misinformation game. It's not even close. That's why he's still here. Big media/misinformation is his friend.
Our politics and choices are so bad. It might take several cycles before we have another two-termer. A lot will depend on the economy in 4 years. It will be interesting to see how a huge spike in M1 mingles with his fiscal decisions. The dow could be 60k or 26k. Again, timing is everything.
Disagree on their worth - they’ll become heroes & martyrs of the left, selling books & speaking engagements to the folks that are only interested in “getting Trump” for something. Many of the folks that are on here calling this a nothing burger & arguing against it’s significance.
The 'lack of time' was the window leading to the upcoming election
and being pushed by Dem operatives Blinken and Morrell.
This was my point about the bizarro nature of tribalists -- especially when the subject is Donald Trump.
He has an incredible knack for causing people to lose all sense of objectivity. I get why...he seems to relish the polarization. But we all have intellectual agency and it's our responsibility to use it....so that we don't end up, for instance, celebrating a former National Security Adviser targeted for assassination by Iran having his protective detail stripped by a president because he considers him disloyal....or excusing former CIA directors and other intelligence veterans of propagating a falsehood in order to influence an election.
But many, many people are caught up in this.
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You're saying it's Byrd's house and he was protecting his family.
That's a false equivalency and you know it.
Not at all.
If my house was locked and boarded up and someone was dumb enough to break a window and try to come through it, they're catching a 40 cal in the head. I'm not waiting to see if they're armed or not and neither are officers behind barricaded doors with members of our government behind them.
No evidence, unless you believe in major statistical anomalies, which have been well documented here.
And courts that dismiss cases before they're ever heard.
Why do you care what people believe anyway? A lot of your people still don't think Trump was legally elected in 2016, too. What does that have to do with today?
Again, it wasn't his house and he was presumably trained not to shoot unless threatened with a weapon.
Your attempt at some equivalency to a personal home break-in is just not valid.
He hasn't a clue and he won't respond to you because his M.O. is to drop his little stink bombs and then run away.
I came across this video of Trump condemning, on January 7, 2021 the J6 rioters. It's unedited and interesting for a variety of reasons. He's struggling to get the words out but he ultimately said this:
"The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay." - Donald Trump
But now it's a nothingburger. All worthy of pardons/commutations.
What a crock of shit.
Fine. Totally unrelated to a loose cannon with documented behavioral issues, judgement issues, reckless weapons incidents and multiple suspensions murdering an unarmed veteran who was no threat to anyone.
But you do you.
How do feel about the rioters who burned police stations and federal buildings and assaulted police officers and burned and looted private property. Yet no one has gone out of their way to find these guys.
Big picture? If people have beliefs that are false, we can't learn and go in a better direction, I guess.
"A tax cut for me, no matter how small will ultimately be beneficial to me." A false belief.
"We can’t cut FFS schedules because hospitals are already going broke." A false belief.
What's going to happen when all this money ends up in investments, and not enough goes into consumption, raising the value of these underlying assets?
"The 2008 financial crisis was caused by people getting loans for houses they couldn't afford." A false belief.
"Tariffs are going to lower prices, raise revenue, and bring our jobs back." A false belief.
"Giving almost everyone $3,500 in Covid stimulus is going to be good for the economy/country." A false belief.
"Joe Biden is competent enough to handle a second term." A false belief.
I could go on all day. It’s not just R's.
Beliefs affect us all. Too many of us swallow what our party is shoveling us.
I'll take 60k on the Dow. They can't have the equites markets crashing.
Reading some of this shit makes me want to drink.Probably not.... But probably will
The Cooler was not built for sobriety
Didn’t they “pay” by spending years in jail? YMMV on whether it’s enough, but they absolutely paid.
As with alcohol, moderation is key.
Looks what this place has done to the brains of those who live here.
As Obama says elections have consequences. Trump isn't going to care what anyone thinks he doesn't need to run for election again.
Fact Check: True.“I don't give a damn what Democrats say about Trump's Jan. 6 pardons and commutations,” says Mike Davis, who founded the conservative Article III Project. “We won, they lost. F**k you.”
Fact Check: True.“I don't give a damn what Democrats say about Trump's Jan. 6 pardons and commutations,” says Mike Davis, who founded the conservative Article III Project. “We won, they lost. F**k you.”
Fair. But if you opened the door and waived them inside you would have no legal defense.
It’s not just Democrats who are aghast at that.
He really should’ve followed through on what his own VP said he would do: avoid any kind of clemency for those who engaged in violent acts on 1/6.
There’s no defending the assault of police officers.
Trump freed more criminals with the stroke of a pen than have come through the border in the last year.
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