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Anyone going to Turnpike Troubadours and Trampled by Turtles here in a couple weeks at that new Fishers arena?
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Anyone going to Turnpike Troubadours and Trampled by Turtles here in a couple weeks at that new Fishers arena?
That’s what I’m saying but they are low in numbers. I’m trying to explain to you why Biden and Harris were unpopular in this instance. Not arguing which job is better. Union benefits are not as good as they used to be either.Non-union does have more jobs. But union workers tend to make more AND have better benefits.
Union workers are paid 11.2% more and have greater access to health insurance and paid sick days than their nonunion counterparts: Policymakers must strengthen workers’ ability to form unions, particularly during the coronavirus crisis
A new report by the Economic Policy Institute discusses the importance of unions and workers’ collective action in establishing an equitable economy, particularly during the coronavirus pandemic. The authors find that unionized workers earn on average 11.2% more in wages than nonunionized peers...www.epi.org
There are drawbacks to unions. But consider the role of the modern corporation is to lower wages. We pay C-Suite types great bonuses for lowering labor costs. So does it make sense to throw away the only real advantage a worker has? The Republicans have said yes to that for over a generation. Workers should trust the elites more than their fellow workers. I am not sure how that fits into the anti-elite argument made by conservatives.
This is true, and way back in the thread I suggested the complaints might be cultural and not economic. But my point is that the D party has tried to help male workers contrary to the current narrative. Trump suggested firing striking workers, do you think that improves wages and working conditions? Doesn't that put him squarely on the side of "elites"?
The Ds have some serious soul-searching to do. Maybe becoming Bernie's policies are the answer. Maybe Ds have to pick and choose their cultural battles better. It all should be in play.
My point is more the narrative that the Ds ignore blue-collar males is wrong. Maybe they would prefer to be fired for sticking than support reassignment surgery. That doesn't mean standing up for their right to strike isn't pro-blue-collar male.
I'm simply saying anything can happen, but I am going to presume Trump will not try and be FDR.
Last politico chick that acted like that had to take out an online restraining order against Uncle Mark.
I think they get it. At least these three do.
I just don’t think they know how to deal with it.
JV Last just thinks Dems should carry on as they have and continue looking down on rural people who have traditional cultural values. Miller wants to try to split the baby somehow. Longwell seems to calculate that this is just a losing bet for Dems.
I think they’d be on safe enough ground just to come out against biological boys/men playing in girls/womens sports. That seems like good middle ground.
OK, I get it. I would suggest workers need more unions and not fewer. It sure seems since circa 1980 when the anti-union philosophy really took off that workers have not done as well overall.
Unions have problems, union leaders should not become as rich as management leaders. There is corruption. I just think if more people were organized, pay would go up in more places. They just have to build in safeguards against just having a new management boss.
So why is that? Isn’t it all the same?
They’re being messaged to in this way by people to whom they look up and thus they think it’s “the way.” I don’t discern a difference.
I really want to, but driving to Fishers, especially on a Friday, just sounds awful. Yeah I know I’m old.
I don't think it is. I think the woman was saying it's just a matter of tweaking how we talk. I'm saying, no, it's a matter of changing what we believe.
WTF Brad??? Turnpike is the best country band ever, and it’s not even close. Pull up the album Goodbye Normal Street immediately.
@BradStevens dont reply. Just ignore. That’s a door you don’t want to open
We're going to Trampled by Turtles on Dec. 14 at the Clyde in Fort Wayne.
They have "it". You know it when you hear them. Like a grunged out, Oklahoma/Texas Avett Bros, actually.
I thought they were done for. Gone. Like Pixies in the 90's, or Old Crow...a great band I would never see again, but they're back out.
Speaking of Pixies and Trampled by Turtles... 😄
I see. I think she’s literally saying it’s tweaking how we talk but I guess I’ve jumped to the conclusion that it inherently means changing what they believe.
Look, they’re absolutely fantastic but their body of work is too small. I’d put Cross Canadian Ragweed over them but they suffer from the same smallness of body of work.
The Highwaymen, Alabama (even though they are very cheesy) would rank higher in my book.
And there are numerous acts named after the singer that are much better than Turnpike.
In my opinion.
Alabama. House band at the 8th wonder of the world. A once great strip of perfect cheeze turned into tattoo parlors and vape stores
Agree on body of work, but maybe excepting last release, all are great albums. Love Ragweed too but think TT has better albums. Same for Reckless Kelly, which is also great.
There really aren’t a ton of strict bands in the genre. While I understand Alabama absolutely has to be considered, the quality just isn’t at the level. JMO
On likely their 3 least busy days of the week. They have overhead they are already paying to have the store open and manned on those days. You can make up overhead cost per unit by doing volume. On days where you aren't getting traffic, lowering cost a bit to do volume (and maybe taking a slight loss) is preferable to no traffic at all. It isn't a long term strategy though as doing that too long without offsetting good sales days will put you out of business eventually.
My God, the worst kind.
Missouri voted FOR a protection for abortion in the state constituion and for a hike on the minimum wage and then voted in Hawley and Trump. The Dems would be idiotic not to read that as "get back to talking about economics you ****ing morons"
In '20 Florida voted in pretty substantial hikes to the minimum wage while voting for Trump and in 24 voted 57% in favor of more abortion access as well. But there are a couple of wedge issues that just kill Democrats. Backing away would be good. Sadly it would just result in more votes for Jill Stein who seems to want people like Trump to win to anger people that they will shoot right past liberal into socialist.
Yeah, but as with EZ Pass, you’re racking up KC fines each time you pass one.
So, carry on.
I believe in incrementalism, which is why I've always shied away from Bernie. I do believe MFA (or some variant of single payor) is the future b/c it's more efficient and easier to manage. Yes, the health care industry's ox gets gored. But I think the Dems could craft a message around single payor which would resonate with many people. And minimum wage, union, etc. But they might be too far in the pockets of the billionaire club to do it now.
Agree on the wedge issues. Let the states decide them. Including, gasp, abortion (they had 50 ****ing years to codify it and failed. That's on the Dems, solely).
Okay. Maybe some grace for me not understanding that you weren't responding to my post when you responded to my post. 🤷♂️
How should I respond if I don't have pronouns in my email signature? Are there other bubbles than just liberal bubbles? My wife wants to know. She's a liberal cat lady and she doesn't have pronouns in her email sig either.
I still disagree with your take on what the Dems "go to market model" was. I thought it was mostly "we're not Trump", which wasn't good enough, rather than wokeness. I thought it should have been more, "We believe in supporting Americans to live their best life no matter where they live, what they do for a living, who they are married to, or where their family came from because the differences that are the woven threads of our country are part of what make us great."
I don't look down at you at all, Wakeboarder. I admire you. But, it almost seems like you're looking down at and caricaturing me.
Nah, couldn't be.
Sure. But are you talking about the Presidential election or general elections? Hawley is an incumbent and they don't lose a lot. Missouri is a pretty red state despite the abortion and minimum wage votes, so it would have been a pretty major shock for the Presidential or Senatorial elections to have been any different.
Their campaign model was “we’re not Trump.” Their overall go to market model (to recruit people to the Democratic Party) is identity politics and wokeness that shrouds what it is they’re actually trying to do. Both are obviously failing models. What you said above is what their go to market model should be, but it’s not. Maybe it can’t be because then they lose a large part of their tent.
I’m not caricaturing you, but I’m getting pretty frustrated that you can’t see the forest for the trees. It’s either pedantism or I’m not smart enough to get your message so I’ll be ending it here.
I guess I'm thinking both. THe Dem message the last few years has revolved around a person not a platform (unless you consider the platform "DEMOCRACY WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T ELECT US!!!!!"). It was doubly stupid this time b/c democracy, though it got nicked in 2020, didn't die at all the last time around.
The Dems are losing blue collar and middle class voters. They're DOA if they don't get it figured out. And I think Missouri is super red b/c of the culture wars, which the Dems are losing BADLY.
Sounds good. Enjoy a nice whisky and have a good night!
That's super interesting. I think these things, particularly the culture wars, are cyclical and might suggest that you're looking at too narrow a time period on the "losing" thing. The far left was losing gay marriage conversations for years until Will & Grace and Ellen and then all of the sudden popular sentiments changed massively. The "progress" on social issues is a pretty consistent upward trend over the long haul. I suspect that's why you like incrementalism and I'm with you on that, but it sucks for the people who have to wait for their increment to come around.
Giving puberty blockers to kids and chopping dicks and breasts off of young adults with psychiatric Disorders or on the autism spectrum isn’t ****ing incrementalism - it’s a nihilistic cult that operates outside of science. Pronouns and the other nonsense aren’t incrementalism either. It’s “look at me!” bullshit.
Gay and lesbian and bisexual has been around since the dawn of time and it’s a damned shame it took this long for it to be normalized. But don’t try to say the adoption curves should be same.
I don't know how to say this without sounding awful, but here goes (some grace please).
We're getting awfully granular as it relates to civil rights. And that granularity is now causing cracks in the civil rights victories won over all these past 75 years.
AGain, I'm trying to say something and I'm probably doing it wrong (as usual). Maybe those whose civil rights were secured oh so many years ago are now finding themselves in the position many white people were in 50 or 60 years ago. Like you said, progress isn't a straight line. But I think we're off on a tangent right now that we don't know where it ends. It used to end with "everybody is American and has the same civil rights as everyone else." I'm not sure that's what it means any more.
