The Serious Election Day Thread

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Trump is a unique candidate who probably generates low propensity voters to vote for him. Do not sure what’s going to happen in 28.

There is certainly an argument to be made that he attracted higher %s of minority voters than other candidates would. However, he likely alienated some Republicans and certainly more moderates or independents, particularly in the suburbs. If Haley would have run, for example, while she may not have picked up as many Latino or AA votes, she would have performed better with white women.

So the question is - do the Dems really roll the dice that Trump is a total anomaly and that their stances and positions are what people want to vote for?

 

[mattndallas]

You can’t drive the Ferrari through a drive- through in the hood?

Only if you're Julio...

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[BradStevens]

You can do white or dark.

So, do you think they can still make money on this price?

Any mountains near you?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Time to move.

The hood gets Popeyes and church’s. We get chic fil a and canes.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I don't know how much of the infrastructure spending has even made its way into circulation. But I don't think it's very much of it. No, I'm thinking more about ARP and IRA -- especially ARP.

Also, "helping the economy" is kind of a broad statement. Printing and spending money creates demand, which creates productivity growth. GDP = C + I + G + (X-I) where C is consumption, I is investment, G is government spending, and (X-I) is net exports.

Our economy did not lack for demand in early 2021. The markets and employment were still in the process of recovering from Covid, but they were doing so very well. There's zero question that ARP contributed to the inflation -- just as there's zero question that the Covid relief bills Trump signed did as well.

Precisely. The infrastructure bill is definitely making its way into investments, particularly via state and local governments, of which were set to receive over $500B of that funding. But, it's in the early stages and not applicable to how things have gone the past few years.

 

[Spartans9312]

So kinda like Nebraska working on their two minute drill before the Indiana game?

“They spent most of their time creating a speech that would tell people she had nothing to say”

Just like her campaign

 

[BradStevens]

There is certainly an argument to be made that he attracted higher %s of minority voters than other candidates would. However, he likely alienated some Republicans and certainly more moderates or independents, particularly in the suburbs. If Haley would have run, for example, while she may not have picked up as many Latino or AA votes, she would have performed better with white women.

So the question is - do the Dems really roll the dice that Trump is a total anomaly and that their stances and positions are what people want to vote for?

Trump won because people voted against left policies in the aggregate, I’d say, smooching them all together.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Let's assume (and hope) for argument's sake that Trump is done and we have new choices in 2028.

Ummmm....Jamie?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Trump is a unique candidate who probably generates low propensity voters to vote for him. Do not sure what’s going to happen in 28.

Oh, this is so true.

He is unquestionably a candidate with his own unique electorate. And I have a hard time seeing it as being fungible.

 

[snarlcakes]

What do those have to do with market equilibriums of savings and loans, let alone expecting those two items to be equivalent?

They cycle, sometimes together, but are significantly different in value.

Can they cycle entirely detached from each other? Does it matter how different in value they are?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Can they cycle entirely detached from each other? Does it matter how different in value they are?

if your premise is, "in a free market with sound money savings would match loans over time," why wouldn't value and quantity matter?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Ummmm....Jamie?

Yes?

 

[mattndallas]

The hood gets Popeyes and church’s. We get chic fil a and canes.

Germantown Parkway in Memphis has them all...

Dubbed the "chicken strip" by the locals...

Or maybe just me.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Trump won because people voted against left policies in the aggregate, I’d say, smooching them all together.

Which is precisely my point - are the Dems going to change their policies or roll the dice that it will turn out differently next time around?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Which is precisely my point - are the Dems going to change their policies or roll the dice that it will turn out differently next time around?

Need to stop pretending to be morally superior and arrogant. Per Dave portnoy. That misplaced smugness that goes with woke makes them incredibly unlikable. Shooter and others we see it here

Dump woke shit. Trannies aren’t a base

And as manchin said focus on the middle. The working class. That captures almost everyone

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I can't remember Harris talking much at all about transgender issues since she became the nominee. I haven't seen that issue identified in any of the exit polling as something that was a top mover of votes. Most of what I've seen is economic, border, and foreign policy issues are the big drivers of votes. What have you seen data-wise to indicate that positions on transgender issues was a big driver in this election?

I don't think she did. But she also couldn't really disavow them.

I think that's a tough issue for Democrats -- especially when it gets to girls sports. Allred had to come out and deny that he supported biological boys playing in girls sports. But Cruz could make the charge against him, because Allred voted against some kind of messaging bill about the issue. As the old adage goes, if you're explaining you're losing.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Need to stop pretending to be morally superior and arrogant.

I didn't see Portnoy say that. But, boy, isn't that true?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Yes?

Are you suggesting that Trump may once again seek to be a candidate in 2028? Or are you just saying that he'll still be involved in politics while others occupy the stage?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I didn't see Portnoy say that. But, boy, isn't that true?

Yes sir. Off that topic but the influence of portnoy, Joe Rogan, and musk all being behind trump had to be influential. Reflects a real change in the medium used to reach voters. Door to door. Cnn. Networks. Seems so antiquated now

 

[hoot1]

There is certainly an argument to be made that he attracted higher %s of minority voters than other candidates would. However, he likely alienated some Republicans and certainly more moderates or independents, particularly in the suburbs. If Haley would have run, for example, while she may not have picked up as many Latino or AA votes, she would have performed better with white women.

So the question is - do the Dems really roll the dice that Trump is a total anomaly and that their stances and positions are what people want to vote for?

JDB, in bringing up Trump and the future of the Dems, have one observation.

The Dems may have overplayed the hope that Trump and his problems if emphasized would put Kamala over the top.

Trump in my view brought some new Republicans into the tent along with focusing on immigration while at the same time sticking with enough more traditional Republican positions to sustain a winning coalition.

The inflation and price increases for much of our consumption during the Biden years was a big bonus as well.

As to post 2028, assuming the inflation issue has ended and economic growth continues, the Pubs should be in great shape regardless of who the presidential candidates are.

Having said that, a major foreign policy mistake could rock the Pub boat.

 

[IUCrazy2]

They call it the $6 big box, but it's really $6.99. Still a long ways from $12 though. Wonder how they can afford to do this if inflation has made a two-piece cost $12. 🤷‍♂️

They'll charge you $3 for a 20 cent coke.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

With much respect and admiration, I'm not moving the goalposts and I'm not trying to win an argument. You started with the idea that the loud left was deafening in comparison to the loud right and backed that up with universities. I merely responded that there are lots of institutions that are part of the loud conversation and then even offered the dictionary definition of institutions.

How you got from that to me not being interested in winning independent votes, I'm not sure but I've tried to engage you in good faith while disagreeing with your conclusion.

FWIW, I don't believe that you don't care and I commend you for it.

Sound familiar?

 

[mattndallas]

JDB, in bringing up Trump and the future of the Dems, have one observation.

The Dems may have overplayed the hope that Trump and his problems if emphasized would put Kamala over the top.

Yeah...

Young males hearing about shitlibs saddling him with felonies for accounting mistakes incurred while paying for blowjobs didn't just hit like they thought it would.

Did the opposite, in fact. Made him a gangsta...a "king".

 

[IUCrazy2]

The hood gets Popeyes and church’s. We get chic fil a and canes.

I have 3 of the 4 within a 5 to 7 minute drive of my house. You just need to get out of Misery....I mean Missouri.

 

[hoosboot]

Di

My kids heard the words “rape or incest” six times per day. The looney left can go **** itself.

Did you know that Kamala Harris wants to give all inmates taxpayer funded sex change operations and that one day you'll send your lovely kids to school and they will come back a different gender?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I have 3 of the 4 within a 5 to 7 minute drive of my house. You just need to get out of Misery....I mean Missouri.

I have three indoor soccer domes that are a 5-7 minute drive. It ain’t all bad!

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Another really interesting post, Sparty. Curious about the people giving it a thumbs up. @mcmurtry66 , @BadWakeboarder , @IUJIM , you guys agreeing with Bernie on healthcare and Israel? Income inequality?

I agree on the working class and income inequality and partially agree re Israel. I do not agree re healthcare because he’s presenting misinformation and grossly oversimplifying.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Di

Did you know that Kamala Harris wants to give all inmates taxpayer funded sex change operations and that one day you'll send your lovely kids to school and they will come back a different gender?

That was only once a day.

 

[hoosboot]

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Sound familiar?

Which part? It was 8 minutes long and they covered a lot of territory. Any of it responding to the actual point I was making?

 

[IUCrazy2]

I have three indoor soccer domes that are a 5-7 minute drive. It ain’t all bad!

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A place like this?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Mojo Up Sports Complex – Mojo Up Your Game!

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A place like this?

Damn!!!!

 

[mattndallas]

Did you know that Kamala Harris wants to give all inmates taxpayer funded sex change operations and that one day you'll send your lovely kids to school and they will come back a different gender?

In Bloomington that's a 50/50 proposition already. 😄

 

[hoosboot]

They'll charge you $3 for a 20 cent coke.

For sure. You're making my point for me.

 

[mattndallas]

I have three indoor soccer domes that are a 5-7 minute drive. It ain’t all bad!

Sounds like KC. 😄 👍

 

[IUCrazy2]

Damn!!!!

And for the cherry on top this:

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Pickleball taking over the world!!!

 

[IUCrazy2]

For sure. You're making my point for me.

Hey, gotta get the money to pay that $15 wage somewhere.... 😉

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Which part? It was 8 minutes long and they covered a lot of territory. Any of it responding to the actual point I was making?

Sorry try this one. And pay attention to the shocked looks on the faces of the host And other panelist who thinks she’s blaspheming. She’s dead right.

 

[hoosboot]

IMO the culture wars including how to deal with trans played an important role.

More so than the overthrow of Roe which the Dems stressed. A topic for them which may actually have backfired in the final analysis. Solidified the base, but at the expense of not gaining votes among certain religious groups.

Could be. I haven't seen much exit polling suggesting that, but it may also be something baked into the equation two years ago.

 

[mattndallas]

They'll charge you $3 for a 20 cent coke.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I have three indoor soccer domes that are a 5-7 minute drive. It ain’t all bad!

That sounds horrible.