The REAL theft of our elections...

[ribbont]

Russian bots are pussies compared to election manipulation compared to Google.

"Google can, overall, easily shift the votes of between 20-80% of undecided voters; right now, that is about 40% of the electorate. This could be enormously consequential. By mid-2024, 20% of voters will likely still not have made up their minds on who to support. At that point, Google will still be able to shift up to 80% of the votes of those individuals -- or up to 16% percent of the electorate.

If, in 2024, 158 million people cast ballots, as they did in 2020, it means Google could likely shift the votes of between 6.4 and 25.5 million people, thereby easily controlling the outcome of any election in which the projected win margin is less than 4%."

'The Perfect Crime': Tech Companies Are Manipulating Our Elections and Indoctrinating Our Children — How We Can Stop Them

Big Tech companies are deliberately manipulating the outcomes of our elections and the thinking and beliefs of our children. And they are having an enormous impact. Consider this: The GOP currently has a slim 10-seat majority in the House of

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

All this proves is just how damned stupid and easily manipulated most people are

 

[ribbont]

All this proves is just how damned stupid and easily manipulated most people are

You included. Everyone can be manipulated. And Google knows this too.

 

[larsIU]

You included. Everyone can be manipulated. And Google knows this too.

ARE YOU MANIPULATING ME RIGHT NOW?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Russian bots are pussies compared to election manipulation compared to Google.

"Google can, overall, easily shift the votes of between 20-80% of undecided voters; right now, that is about 40% of the electorate. This could be enormously consequential. By mid-2024, 20% of voters will likely still not have made up their minds on who to support. At that point, Google will still be able to shift up to 80% of the votes of those individuals -- or up to 16% percent of the electorate.

If, in 2024, 158 million people cast ballots, as they did in 2020, it means Google could likely shift the votes of between 6.4 and 25.5 million people, thereby easily controlling the outcome of any election in which the projected win margin is less than 4%."

'The Perfect Crime': Tech Companies Are Manipulating Our Elections and Indoctrinating Our Children — How We Can Stop Them

Big Tech companies are deliberately manipulating the outcomes of our elections and the thinking and beliefs of our children. And they are having an enormous impact. Consider this: The GOP currently has a slim 10-seat majority in the House of

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

Who are they manipulating for? Will Trump or Harris win by as much as 25.5 million votes?

Gatestone Institute doesn't have a great reputation for accuracy, by the way. I suppose that could be a Google lie.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I planned to write in “Google”. Is that wrong?

 

[sobester]

ARE YOU MANIPULATING ME RIGHT NOW?

Of course not. You’re way too smart not to know if you were being manipulated.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I can’t be manipulated. I’ve never ever prescribed a drug because the drug rep was hot and showed cleavage. Not me. Never

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

A great strategy for manipulation is when the manipulators convince you that you are too smart to be manipulated.

 

[ribbont]

Who are they manipulating for? Will Trump or Harris win by as much as 25.5 million votes?

Gatestone Institute doesn't have a great reputation for accuracy, by the way. I suppose that could be a Google lie.

Robert Epstein does have a great reputation, though. Did you even read the article? Read any of the links? I guess you believe Google is just an honest broker? I have beachfront property in Nebraska for you. 😉

 

[stollcpa]

Robert Epstein does have a great reputation, though. Did you even read the article? Read any of the links? I guess you believe Google is just an honest broker? I have beachfront property in Nebraska for you. 😉

He knows they’re a dishonest broker. You aren’t going to see him or most Dems acknowledge it.

 

[ribbont]

He knows they’re a dishonest broker. You aren’t going to see him or most Dems acknowledge it.

The thing is, according to Dr. Epstein (and he says he has the data), Google is working against Elizabeth Warren as she has advocated Google being split up.

It's not all a right/left issue. Most of Google's manipulation does favor the left, but nobody is off limits.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Robert Epstein does have a great reputation, though. Did you even read the article? Read any of the links? I guess you believe Google is just an honest broker? I have beachfront property in Nebraska for you. 😉

Google is a search engine. They have an algorithm which eventually determines the preferences of the user and caters to that some. The articles and sources it lists all have bias to varying degrees. Some are capable of discerning this and dealing with it, and some aren’t. Google does not manipulate my thinking.

 

[sobester]

Google is a search engine. They have an algorithm which eventually determines the preferences of the user and caters to that some. The articles and sources it lists all have bias to varying degrees. Some are capable of discerning this and dealing with it, and some aren’t. Google does not manipulate my thinking.

No expert, but it seems to be biased to what that person wants to hear.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

No expert, but it seems to be biased to what that person wants to hear.

It mostly does. It has other factors too, like are they getting any revenue for prioritizing certain sites.

 

[ribbont]

Google is a search engine. They have an algorithm which eventually determines the preferences of the user and caters to that some. The articles and sources it lists all have bias to varying degrees. Some are capable of discerning this and dealing with it, and some aren’t. Google does not manipulate my thinking.

So your answer is that you did not read the article or the links. Got it.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

So your answer is that you did not read the article or the links. Got it.

Nope. Don’t have time to read everything and I’ve already read plenty about search engine bias to have a good idea of the premise. I doubt I’m missing much on this one. Plus I’m past my “give a crap” threshold on the subject. Oh hell, I wonder if that’s the Google talking. 😉

 

[ribbont]

Nope. Don’t have time to read everything and I’ve already read plenty about search engine bias to have a good idea of the premise. I doubt I’m missing much on this one. Plus I’m past my “give a crap” threshold on the subject. Oh hell, I wonder if that’s the Google talking. 😉

Well, if you "read plenty", then you should be familiar with Dr. Epstein as he is considered an expert on search engine manipulation for over a decade. He has testified about his findings to Congress, and has conducted several experiments that that have been published and peer-reviewed.

From his Congressional testimony:

"SEME is one of the most powerful forms of influence ever discovered in the behavioral sciences, and it is especially dangerous because it is invisible to people – “subliminal,” in effect. It leaves people thinking they have made up their own minds, which is very much an illusion. It also leaves no paper trail for authorities to trace. Worse still, the very few people who can detect bias in search results shift even farther in the direction of the bias, so merely being able to see the bias doesn’t protect you from it. Bottom line: biased search results can easily produce shifts in the opinions and voting preference of undecided voters by 20 percent or more – up to 80 percent in some demographic groups."

But I am sure you knew all that, as you have "read plenty".

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Well, if you "read plenty", then you should be familiar with Dr. Epstein as he is considered an expert on search engine manipulation for over a decade. He has testified about his findings to Congress, and has conducted several experiments that that have been published and peer-reviewed.

From his Congressional testimony:

"SEME is one of the most powerful forms of influence ever discovered in the behavioral sciences, and it is especially dangerous because it is invisible to people – “subliminal,” in effect. It leaves people thinking they have made up their own minds, which is very much an illusion. It also leaves no paper trail for authorities to trace. Worse still, the very few people who can detect bias in search results shift even farther in the direction of the bias, so merely being able to see the bias doesn’t protect you from it. Bottom line: biased search results can easily produce shifts in the opinions and voting preference of undecided voters by 20 percent or more – up to 80 percent in some demographic groups."

But I am sure you knew all that, as you have "read plenty".

Yes. I've read that opinion and others. Do you think you're immune to it?

 

[ribbont]

Yes. I've read that opinion and others. Do you think you're immune to it?

Never said I was. Not sure what your point is. I started a post to share information, information that I think some were aware of, but probably didn't know the extent of Google's manipulation. It should concern us.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Never said I was. Not sure what your point is. I started a post to share information, information that I think some were aware of, but probably didn't know the extent of Google's manipulation. It should concern us.

Everyone is manipulating everyone for their own purposes. No stopping it. May as well say McDonalds can’t show ads convincing that their horrible greasy gray burgers are wonderful

 

[ribbont]

Everyone is manipulating everyone for their own purposes. No stopping it. May as well say McDonalds can’t show ads convincing that their horrible greasy gray burgers are wonderful

Let me know when McDonald's decides to fund Ukraine, allow abortion, or make border policy.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Let me know when McDonald's decides to fund Ukraine, allow abortion, or make border policy.

Oh yay. Another person who is ok with Putin rolling over Eastern Europe

 

[ribbont]

Oh yay. Another person who is ok with Putin rolling over Eastern Europe

Oh yay. Another person who has issues with reading comprehension.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Every trial advocacy, article, book, class or program was a lesson in manipulating others. Manipulation is an essential part of most communication. Some are better at it than others. Some are more susceptible to it than others. Our social immunity to manipulation is weakening. Hence restrictions on free expression, misinformation concerns, safe spaces trigger warnings, and . . . . Ignore buttons.

 

[DANC]

I can’t be manipulated. I’ve never ever prescribed a drug because the drug rep was hot and showed cleavage. Not me. Never

Truthfully now - how many would have given it up for a drug order?

 

[hookyIU1990]

Google is a search engine. They have an algorithm which eventually determines the preferences of the user and caters to that some. The articles and sources it lists all have bias to varying degrees. Some are capable of discerning this and dealing with it, and some aren’t. Google does not manipulate my thinking.

Google is way more than a search engine, but even in your example, you're underestimating the algorithm. It’s not just serving up results based on your preferences.

 

[mrhighlife]

Russian bots are pussies compared to election manipulation compared to Google.

"Google can, overall, easily shift the votes of between 20-80% of undecided voters; right now, that is about 40% of the electorate. This could be enormously consequential. By mid-2024, 20% of voters will likely still not have made up their minds on who to support. At that point, Google will still be able to shift up to 80% of the votes of those individuals -- or up to 16% percent of the electorate.

If, in 2024, 158 million people cast ballots, as they did in 2020, it means Google could likely shift the votes of between 6.4 and 25.5 million people, thereby easily controlling the outcome of any election in which the projected win margin is less than 4%."

'The Perfect Crime': Tech Companies Are Manipulating Our Elections and Indoctrinating Our Children — How We Can Stop Them

Big Tech companies are deliberately manipulating the outcomes of our elections and the thinking and beliefs of our children. And they are having an enormous impact. Consider this: The GOP currently has a slim 10-seat majority in the House of

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

I agree it's a problem however Google is a private company that can do as they please when it comes to their algorithms. Unless of course, you think they should be slapped with federal... REGULATIONS...dun dun dun.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Truthfully now - how many would have given it up for a drug order?

Depends on how big the order

 

[stollcpa]

Google is way more than a search engine, but even in your example, you're underestimating the algorithm. It’s not just serving up results based on your preferences.

No way it’s serving up my preferences. In fact it’s making searches more difficult regarding my preferences.

Anyone who doesn’t think Google is trying to manipulate the election in one direction is just plain naive.

Edit: or thrilled with the direction of that manipulation and intentionally not acknowledging it.

 

[hookyIU1990]

No way it’s serving up my preferences. In fact it’s making searches more difficult regarding my preferences.

It's making your preferences available to those who will pay to serve you content.

 

[ribbont]

I agree it's a problem however Google is a private company that can do as they please when it comes to their algorithms. Unless of course, you think they should be slapped with federal... REGULATIONS...dun dun dun.

Well, regulations could be the ultimate solution. First step is creating a public awareness. Second step is to see if a private option can be created to offset the manipulation. Finally, some regulations might be necessary.

Regulations are not necessarily evil if they are used to protect the general public. And with the introduction of AI, federal regulations will be needed.

Manipulation does not have to limited to election interference. Subliminal messaging on broadcast TV is prohibited by the FCC because it is manipulative. If a drug company pays Google to target with subliminal messages to manipulate people to use it drug, are we ok with that as a society? If a porn site wants to pay Google to use manipulation to steer children to its site, are we ok with that as a society?

 

[Spartans9312]

I can’t be manipulated. I’ve never ever prescribed a drug because the drug rep was hot and showed cleavage. Not me. Never

That’s the way we used to know whether or not to order new medications. I would look at one of the techs and say, “order 3 of those”….cursed is going to be ordering that non-stop for a bit

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Google is way more than a search engine, but even in your example, you're underestimating the algorithm. It’s not just serving up results based on your preferences.

Of course there’s more to the algorithm.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

No way it’s serving up my preferences. In fact it’s making searches more difficult regarding my preferences.

Anyone who doesn’t think Google is trying to manipulate the election in one direction is just plain naive.

Edit: or thrilled with the direction of that manipulation and intentionally not acknowledging it.

I find the information I’m looking for. It isn’t manipulating me.

 

[ribbont]

I find the information I’m looking for. It isn’t manipulating me.

How do you know? You're using a search engine for information, correct? If the results omit counter information, then you are being manipulated.

For example, let's say you wanted to know if creatine helps with memory. You type in the search and the first 3 pages of results shows links and articles that support creatine improving memory. But hardly an article about the counter arguement. So you buy the creatine.

Now Google showed you what it wanted you to see and helped produce a sale to the creatine company. That helps Google sell advertising, sponsored content, finders fees, etc. And you had zero idea it happened.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

How do you know? You're using a search engine for information, correct? If the results omit counter information, then you are being manipulated.

For example, let's say you wanted to know if creatine helps with memory. You type in the search and the first 3 pages of results shows links and articles that support creatine improving memory. But hardly an article about the counter arguement. So you buy the creatine.

Now Google showed you what it wanted you to see and helped produce a sale to the creatine company. That helps Google sell advertising, sponsored content, finders fees, etc. And you had zero idea it happened.

I know I’m not being manipulated.

 

[ribbont]

I know I’m not being manipulated.

Lol. You can't know what you don't know. You're not smarter than AI.

 

[hookyIU1990]

I know I’m not being manipulated.

If Google is forcing you to say that under threat of violence, blink twice.

 

[DANC]

Depends on how big the order

I'll take that as 'most'.