The Queen

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  1. INRanger27

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    Found the guy who can’t calculate ROI
     
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    I guess I mean why laugh at anything a country most generally rely on to be an ally or at least want to be an ally with? If you need me more than I need you it would be just pain ignorant of you to say I was the "laughing stock", now do you get it?
     
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    TDHoosier is basically a parody account for grumpy old people - except he’s not parodying - he’s real.
     
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    Lol.
     
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    Bored at work and no resentment at all. I like Prince William is a cool dude, does that count?
     
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    I didn't ask you about William - he's not going to be the next King unless Charles bites it first. You disparaged Charles. I asked why.
     
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    I do nothing for a comic effect nor do I believe I exaggerate, I guess I'm old or could be considered old depending on how old of a person I'm responding to?
     
  8. Hank Reardon

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    You should watch "The Crown" on Netflix. It's really rather well done and maybe provides a window into how the Monarchy fits into British government. I'm no Royal Watcher in the reality show sense. But the monarchy is interesting.
     
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    No reason, just not a big fan I guess it goes back to my "candle in the wind" days and Lady Diana. I think the Royals have done a good job of keeping him under wraps since then, or so it seems like they have. Hey did I tell you I kind of like William he is a cool dude.
     
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    Might have to resort to watching if this whole quarantine thing doesn't end by the end of the month. Good television is coming difficult to find these days. I'm almost tempted to watch the "Tiger King" and that sounds like really bad TV.
     
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    ok cool. Well, Charles has not been kept under wraps since then FYI. He's been very forward in representing the Royal family and the UK. I'm not saying I particularly am fond of him. But he does seem competent and I'm sure will do an excellent job of being King once he ascends to the throne - if he does. William does seem pretty cool too, and will probably do a great job too when it's his turn. I do know that his wife will do an outstanding job filling her role when that day eventually comes. He married well.
     
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    This is how I am. I don't care about the drama, but do find how they fit into the British constitution to be fascinating.
     
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    I haven't watched that yet. I might start it tonight. I need to quit flipping back and forth between CNN and MSNBC all day everyday. Time for a diversion.
     
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    Your opinion is well taken, I guess I just don't see why or understand why one family should have to be represented in the eyes of the public if they have very little to no bearing on the overall functionality of the country.

    Honestly it is of no great concern of mine since I have zero interest in ever visiting or living in Great Britain I just found the topic interesting and I really don't hold the "royal family" in any high regard. You say William married well I say he was "born well" too.
     
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    Try Fox, just kidding!!!!
     
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    Just curious, do you shop at WalMart? Have any Apple products? An HDTV?
     
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    Honestly, I do sometimes ;)
     
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    Yeah, I'm trying to stay away from that shit too. Very little actual new stuff happening besides Trumps latest stoopid statements. Have been watching a lot of reruns on Ion TV and lots of Shark Tank on CNBC.
     
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    Yeah, like I said in an earlier post, it's just a long-held cultural thing with them. We Americans can't really relate. It seems kind of silly to me actually. But, they've been ruled by a monarch for so long, it's just their way of life.

    Of course William was 'born well,' for sure. But he did a great job of picking a mate. She's fantastic at her job.
     
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    Lol. William is a cool dude. He’s a stiff. Harry is a cool dude.
     
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    I don't watch Trump's daily show any longer. I do watch Cuomo's daily updates though. Those are actually interesting.
     
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    Yeah, he’s a little busy trying to not die in ICU.
     
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    William is so similar to his ancestors there’s got to be inbreeding involved.
     
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    Harry was a party boy for sure. Guessing he secretly still is.
     
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    ok just watched the first episode. I like it. Think I'll binge it. Why not.
     
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    You'll end up liking Phillip. That's my guess.
     
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    i'm guessing the royals are a financial bonanza for Great Britain in tourism etc.
     
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    ok three episodes in. Getting bored. I probably won't keep going. The show is very well done, but I just can't relate to the whole British / royal thing. While I understand it's important to Brits, I don't get it personally. No connection. Maybe time to switch over to Ozark.
     
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    Doesn’t matter. She’s a member of the Pentavirate and can’t be trusted.
     
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    Ozark is excellent.

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    I was a not big Royal Family fan when I was there -- there was a sense of entitlement and detachment about them. They have since pivoted and made themselves more 'real' over the years, less god-lie but more of a moral authority. I think royal families have this role of a 'fatherly/paternalistic figure' in most countries in the time of upheaval. Silent most of the time except for good deeds and then stepping-in in the time of need or war.

    They are expected to be leader; a pope like or lite.

    The most extreme is my experience has been that of the Thai King. You can slag off the Queen in the UK but may get you beaten up nowadays.
    But if you did it in Thailand, you would be in jail -- there was an aura of god-like presence with the last King. He was perceived as 'kind', 'benevolent' and morally upstanding. He did a lot of projects to help the poor; crop substitution projects in the Golden Triangle. (Stayed on one of his resorts that had the crop substitution -- was bombed by the Burmese proxies the week before I got there, everyone got the memo, except me. I was the only resort guest there. Hotel California!)

    Not so nowadays with the shenanigans of the son and current King. He is just a rich spoilt twat.
     
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    So much to unpack there...
     
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    Please... there is only about two people in this forum who actually claims to be a Trump Supporter. You know that by now.

    The rest are 'never voted for him' or 'don't really like the man' but will inevitably pull the lever for him come, November.
     
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    Most of the time, in constitutional monarchies, monarchs are exactly as you describe them: "fatherly figures." However, they can still play a very important role in the governance of the country in exceptional circumstances. I think the most incredible modern example of this would be Juan Carlos and the attempted coup known as 23-F (for 23 February, 1981, the date of the coup attempt).

    Juan Carlos has accepted the crown from Franco, and been designated his successor, but upon Franco's death, Juan Carlos surprisingly and immediately oversaw the transition of Spain to a democracy, and of himself to a constitutional monarch - i.e., figurehead.

    But then military leaders attempted to overthrow the government and return Spain to Francoism. Juan Carlos refused to support the coup, and publicly denounced it, calling on Spain to support continued democracy. The coup, already tenuous, collapsed entirely at this point.

    To this day, scholars of the British constitution agree that one of the few reserve powers still held personally by the monarch is the right to interfere in politics for the purpose of upholding responsible (i.e., democratic) government.
     
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    Or in recent years, the previous Thai King actually stopped coups singlehandedly. He basically told both sides to just stop it. And they did.
    He would go on to appoint a temporary PM to pave way for elections.
     
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    Yeah I watched the first 2 seasons. Pretty good. Was Princes Margaret as crazy as they make her out to be? Was her husband really a gay photographer who was in a swingers club and got another woman pregnant? If so he makes the Harry/Meghan drama seem pretty mild by comparison.
     
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    Can you deny it is true? This is a legit question, I have never seen a time when the US truly needed the support of another country (keep in mind I said I have never seen, meaning my lifetime).
     
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    I do not shop at Walmart, I do have an Apple and HDTV. Now if you are alluding to the fact that those are produced in another country I understand, do you think that the US does not have the capability to produce similar products or sell only American made products? Consumers control the buying market not the companies, I think the US more than any other country could self sustain. I don't like China's chances unless they can consume electronic devices.
     
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    Err... did the US go into Afganistan and Iraq alone? The Brits were the first country to signup after the coountry was attacked in NYC and many had died for that cause.

    Its amazing how little memory people have -- always thinking f themselves as the victim or got screwed out of some deal. Its always been the Coalition of One? Desert Storm too.
    If there is one domestic/UK criticism it would be that the Brits have been too blind to follow the Americans into all sorts of excursions inclusion Iraq after Afganistan.

    So how much a price do you put on such loyal friends then?
     
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    Do you think the US would have failed in any of the situations you mention without the help of the Brits? I would content that the Brits choose to do so to stay in good favor with the US, yes a friendship. I would also say that the Brits need the US far more than we need them. It is good to have friends and allies, but one must remember who is the stronger power and that would be the US.

    People may want to talk shit about the US, but when push comes to shove that shit talk goes away.
     

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