The election could be reduced to law and order. https://amgreatness.com/2020/08/30/cultural-suicide-is-painless/
The left could loose this election.
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You need the votes that might just turn on feeling danger in their cities. The last law and order election gave us Nixon.
What a load of melodramatic tripe! I couldn't make it past "Tribal gangs, as they already do now in our streets of fire and looting...".
Reading that felt like eating cake served with three inch thick frosting. Maybe the cake is phenomenal, but after a few bites of nothing but frosting, I'm too sick to go on.
T.rump strategy seems to have 3 steps:
1. Create chaos and discord.
2. Blame Biden for chaos and discord.
3. Watch his base lap it up.
1. Create chaos and discord.
2. Blame Biden for chaos and discord.
3. Watch his base lap it up.
This is spot on. Trump doesn’t care about the “law” part. He is lawless and corrupt and always has been. His supporters don’t care about the law, see RNC Hatch Act violations. But they do like “order” if it means separating migrant families or putting black men in prison.
I think the premise is wrong. The election does not belong to the left to lose. Since Labor Day is the traditional kickoff, the game has not even started. The left are in a 0-0 game.
That depends on how you define law and order. Some of us think Trump breaks the law on a daily basis: his minions think otherwise because he does it to serve their purpose.
We think killing a black man is against the law. Trump and his minions, including countless so-called Christians, think it is not because those peoples are not really Americans because their ancestors came from Africa, and killing non-Americans is not really against the law according to them.
Too bad Louis Carrol is not alive today; he could be writing a sequel.
Nixon wasn't the incumbent. Don't you see the fallacy in thinking that things are terrible, let's reelect the President?
That depends on how the voters perceive it.
My hunch is that 40% of the voting population think what Trump is doing is law & order. I also think that the number will increase, making the election much closer than it is today. I just hoe it won’t be too close.
I think the left on this board were predictably triggered by this article as if CO posted it. I also think that article embodies how many Americans feel (most that I talk to and work with by a wide margin) and that this election is going to be the icing on a very bad year. I think on the night of the election trump is going to be the projected winner and the mail ins will be a mess. It’ll then then take days to tally all those votes and Biden will be the winner in the end and a massive legal battle will ensue from the republicans. Trump will claim fraud. That’s my doomsday to a shitty year.
The pandemic is the caveat. If it’s raging trump’s out. If it’s like it is now AND. a vaccine is announced in oct I think trump wins and the Dems can point to the summer of blm and the discontent as the reason they lost. Like it or not the vast majority of people associate the riots with blm and dem mayors and govs. They don’t give a shit about the nba and its hypocrisy or celebs and same. The same crew that supported Hillary is just louder now; I suspect not necessarily larger. Again I knew that article would piss a big portion of the board off but that prof captures how many Americans feel. This is going to be a rough ending to 2020.
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From what I see and hear, Trump’s America is a lawless distopia with cities burning to the ground, businesses destroyed and racial tension/violence in the streets. If only Trump were president he could fix everything.
That’s both the irony and the reality of the message. Unfortunately many will say no its blm started this and dem mayors and govs allowed it to continue. They do nothing about crime....
This Victor Davis Hanson piece is simply an opinion concerning where America stands relative to what is happening in the streets of some of our cities.
I say "some of our cities" as protests without violence has occurred in the majority of the several hundred cities with protests.
Naturally the violence gets all the news headlines which fits VDH's narrative. However, I still question his assessment of where America is in terms of law and order from coast to coast.
I say "some of our cities" as protests without violence has occurred in the majority of the several hundred cities with protests.
Naturally the violence gets all the news headlines which fits VDH's narrative. However, I still question his assessment of where America is in terms of law and order from coast to coast.
Whatever he's doing it is again working. Emerson now has the race as a toss up. Trump's approval rating is also +2 at 49/47.
This is a well thought out and reasonable post. Lol.
That’s as bad as anything I’ve ever seen from a “Trumper”.
And we already know polling is suspect to some degree with trump. Some of his voters refuse to participate in polls. Lie. Are afraid to admit they’re voting for him etc.
This. This right here.
I’d add two more.
4. Suppress turnout, either by A) scare tactics B) frivolous lawsuits C) via the machinery of government or D) threatening to have armed “poll watchers” at polling locations. Apparently these pool watchers could be linked to law enforcement of some kind in some way.
You don’t have to go far to see examples of each theme.
A) Telling people that mail in voting is fraudulent, even though he does it himself, is an example of scaring people.
B) Trump and the RNC have (IIRC) over 70(!) lawsuits in states that are trying to expand voter’s access- during a massive pandemic that is worse than it should be due to his admin’s incompetence.
C) The dismantling of hundreds of high speed postal sorters and generally making a mess of the USPS at a critical time is an example of using the machinery of the federal government to suppress voting
D) Remember that “poll watching” was banned, because of horrible behavior by the Republican Party? Well, that ban ended a few years ago. Expect to see this tactic again.
5. Pretend like the pandemic is over, and that the admin did everything they could to counter it. The RNC has multiple examples of this tactic.
Bottom line- the guy can’t run (& win) on his record. It’s abysmal. The ONLY way he can win is to trick enough people to believe in some alternate reality of his creation. And he’s doing his damndest to create one right now. And also to suppress voter turnout. We’re seeing the dry runs for that right now.
I hope that there are probably too many people paying attention this time for that to happen. After all, he’s not running against another very unpopular figure like HRC.
The voter suppression/intimidation is what worries me the most.
He’s also got plenty of help in certain states. In TX, they don’t allow absentee voting just because you really don’t want to go into a crowded public space to vote. That actually went to the TX SC, and the TX SC clarified that being afraid of catching coronavirus is NOT a reason to absentee vote. And the Lt Governor is a nut job, who is on record as saying he’ll prosecute people that absentee vote due to concerns about COVID-19. Its OBVIOUS why he would take such an extreme position.
but number 3 is the salient part: is it just his base or is he swaying undecideds
Trump has phucked up the pandemic response and the economy is in the crapper, so all he's got is the "law and order" theme. But as bawlmer and others have suggested, the law and order messaging worked for Nixon in '68 because he wasn't the incumbent. As we move past Labor Day and people start paying closer attention, they'll realize the absurdity of Trump's position. He's running ads depicting violence in the streets with a somber voiceover that this will be Biden's America when, in fact, the video clips are from this summer, in Trump's America. Logically, the message is essentially, "Vote for me and I'll save you from myself." And sorry Trumpers, but the "it's the Dems' fault" argument doesn't fly. Last I checked, Trump is president of the entire country, even Kenosha, which he's visiting today (solely for a photo op, of course, but you get the point).
Right. What you post is actual logical thinking. But there is a weird paradox where people believe it’s the left who started and is responsible for the riots and the left states and cities who refuse to tamp it down. Trump will have three platforms:
1) law and order and an attack on dem run cities
2) he is best equipped to rebuild economy and he will cite stats like a time machine pretending the pandemic never occurred
3) Biden will pander to the progressives and we’ll have socialist policies.
I still think the election still turns on the state of the pandemic at election time.
Trump will not condemn violence by people he sees as his supporters. He defended the kid who was playing army and killed two protesters in Kenosha. He defended the militia mob who travelled in pick up trucks to Portland to shoot protesters with paint guns and pepper spray. He doesn’t care about the violence. He cares about who is doing the violence and who is being hurt. If it’s “his people” he promotes it.
Good guys vs bad guys. Real americans tired of the shit standing up for our country blah blah blah
This is kinda the critical point. Bottom line, outside of something absolutely enormous happening between now and November, 45% of the country was going to vote for Biden and 45% was going to vote for Trump because it's the same party they have voted for since they turned 18. It's that remaining 10% of the voting population that are critical. Sadly, they are comprised of about 3 groups of people:
1) (70%) Those that don't really care and just pull a lever because they think it is their civic duty
2) (10%) Some true moderates that do analyze everything and make a decision based upon a few particular stances / ideologies
3) (20%) Those who truly haven't made up their mind yet.
While it is mostly deserved for all of the stupid / inflammatory / false things that Trump spews, I believe that is the reason why the CNN's and MSNBC's of the world have been anti-Trump 24/7 for the past 4 years. Influencing that first group, the ones who don't particularly care, is the target audience.
Fox News has decades of creating the narrative that Democrats are the enemy. Californians are not Americans. Big city elites are not Americans. These people truly believe all of this. They hate these people and they will rise up with violence against them. Many can’t wait
Sorry, but what bull shit. As is blaming Trump because the left's useful idiots cannot behave themselves in Portland, Seattle, D.C., Chicago, etc. And spare me the race angle, most of the asshats in those cities have been white, leftist, dead enders. Trump did not have shit to do with George Floyd.
The lawlessness of the summer is a your party problem. It is happening because of dipshits who ascribe to the most extreme version of the party you support in areas that are exclusively ran by said party. Your and the Democrats attempts at gaslighting not withstanding.
Yep. And the events of this summer will make this a very tight race when it shouldn’t have been.
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