T.J. Leaf back on the board?
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Please do not mention Coach Knight in the same breath as Crean..
I am far from a TC defender, but just as you say he didn't instill the work ethic in Oladipo, maybe he didn't instill the deferral gene in Zeller. That guy has all the talent in the world, but I think to some degree he doesn't like taking outside shots during games. That's why he was drafted by the Hornets, but he just won't take shots (maybe their coaches instruct him not to, but it's why he was drafted and he's not doing it). I think he just has a laid back attitude and is happier being a role player than looking to score aggressively.
Before his soph season, Zeller said he took a gazillion 3's in practice so he could open up the inside to help his teammates. I seriously doubt, then, he was "too afraid" to take them.
By that same logic, why would Crean want him practicing all those jump shots if he never wanted him to take them in games? Then the very next year let Vonleh get out and take plenty of 3s
He doesn't have a history of accuracy in this area...I'm not saying he doesn't know the family but his info has been piling more bs on top of the bs
Got news for you. Your dead wrong about the Zellers! I listened to Calbert talk about TC and IU over an hour last summer after a round of golf. The worst thing he said about TC is he won't bend rules in recruiting like some others.
I don't know the family or pretend to. I've just heard many say this isn't true.
So Calbert moved his family from his alma mater to take a step down the coaching ladder but loved working for TC? Or does he know not to bad mouth the IU coach?
You are definitely wrong about the Zellers...add in the Vonlehs as well. They don't hate him but he is not on their XMas card list
I don't know anything about Leaf, but I do know that almost everything old hurryin said during the recruitment ended up being wrong
If you'd like to join me as a guest at Victoria National sometime let me know. Bring a few hundred dollars and you can join the game with my friends.
If you're saying you have knowledge that Mr Leaf dislikes Crean I'll your word for it but not the other two firing from the hip. The one attributing things to the Zellers I know is full of it.
I bet I can make arrangements with Calberts friends to join you and set you straight on his feelings towards Crean.
No I said I don't know anything about Leaf, all I know is the Hurryin has been wrong more than he has been right....but you are wrong about the Zellers. CZ and his family are respectful but they aren't fans. I trust my source on this
I know them personally but not close friends. My son played on the last State Championship team with Cody. I know other locals who are close friends and not once have I or they heard Zellers speak badly towards TC. If they did have any negative feelings towards Crean the only people who would know are Steve, Lori, Luke, Tyler or Cody. They absolutely in public or presence of others wouldn't talk badly about anyone.
As far as Calbert I just know he was very relaxed and seemed to be talking very openly around friends. He might have held back. He did say that Crean expects a lot of work out of his staff. I guess that could be construed as negative and maybe at his stage in life he didn't want to work 16 hour days?
CZ and I have a mutual friend. My best friends son attends IU and was close friends with a couple members of the team. Like I said they are respectful, but put it this way, they won't miss TC if he's leaves. But none of this really matters. A coach probably isn't doing his job if everyone loves him
You're right he isn't doing job if everyone likes him. Zellers are amazing people. When you've had as much success in small town like their family has you can usually find people who are jealous and speak badly of them. It just doesn't happen with them.
I am certainly not thrilled with the job Crean has done but I get tired of the piling on here sometimes. I've said it many times, as long as he's coach I supporting him and the team.
If you don't wanna go to college or can't go then prep makes sense. Move up grade, graduate early. Then prep. Like going right out of HS.
Why would playing for free, against inferior competition make more sense than playing in a pro league?
Two things. First, compared to the number of 3s Cody took over two years, yes, that number is significant (or plenty). Second, Noah accelerated the number of threes he took as the season went along. The first several games he really didn't take any. In his 30 games he took 33 "3s." But, 25 of those came in conference for an average of 1.6 a game. IMO, that is a reasonable number for the use of the word plenty, considering he was their only big and that the big before him took a total of 2 over a 72 game career.
Source: sports-reference
You are going a looong way to make 33 shots seem like more than it is....
1 shot per game does not indicate what the poster was hoping it would...and not only is it not plenty, it's so few that it is meaningless
Why people insist on using NV as "proof" that TC allows his bigs to shoot is beyond me..,why don't they choose Novak?
Maybe I can put the Zeller rumor to bed by running up the street and asking them for a quote for Peegs.com.
The news is you have no idea what Calbert or Zellers think about Crean so don't act like you do. Takes smart guy to call someone a fool. I am sure you're very accomplished.
Oh, I agree with you there. But, taking 1 a game and 1.6 in conference is the same or more than a lot of point guards. Just my opinion, but, yea, that's "plenty" for a post player.
And, when people argue on here (and they have) that TC wouldn't allow Cody to showcase his shooting skills since he was IU's only post presence, the simple, plain fact that one year later he let a freshman Vonleh (who was also IU's only post) do it just makes the former seem like a really fragile argument to make.
As far as shooting bigs, Novak is a better example, but I don't how much he played down low. Was he always hanging around on the outside, or was he also Marquette's post presence?
It's not a fragile argument when it originally came from Cody himself. I could see your point if it was the usual posters assuming the worst but it isn't. They are basing it on quotes from one of the two people who would know best.
Extra summer on AAU circuit, national exposure and more importantly, one on one development with coaches.
yea, but we've gone over those Cody quotes before. I'm not going to rehash that, so we'll just disagree. Suffice to say, there is some disjointedness between what Cody said and what the staff was saying publicly during his sophomore season.
For now, I'm taking my daughter out for her b-day.
I don't know what quotes you are referring to from the coachesyea, but we've gone over those Cody quotes before. I'm not going to rehash that, so we'll just disagree. Suffice to say, there is some disjointedness between what Cody said and what the staff was saying publicly during his sophomore season.
For now, I'm taking my daughter out for her b-day.
there were a couple press times, either availability or postgame....
I think it was Crean once and another time one of the assistants, speaking to the idea that they needed to get Cody to take the open 16-18 foot jumpers that opponents were giving him because - he can make those. They talked about trying to get him to take those in games (I think as opposed to just during scrimmages). They weren't being critical, it was more along the lines of what they needed Cody to do next.
Prep school in US gives the exposure and branding a teenager couldn't get overseas. It's a win-win.
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