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South endzone project wasted money!

You guys don't have a clue how conference affiliations work. There is more involved than athletics, especially in a historic conference such as ours. Members are legally enjoined. IU might choose to walk away some day- though that is extremely doubtful - but it won't be "kicked out" because its football program is terrible. I don't want to be disrespectful to you guys, but don't post on a topic in ignorance. Do a little homework on the legal structure of conferences before you babble nonsense.

IU is not leaving the Big Ten, ever. It is part of their identity, just like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, NU, Purdue, Iowa and Illinois.

The schools I can see leaving are OSU (for a football super league), Nebraska, Penn State.

Rutgers and Maryland just got here.

MSU is steange duck, I don't see the B10 pride like others but can't see them leaving. They don't seem to be as tied up in B10 world. May be wrong.
 
How so? Faust, Willingham,Weis?
ND is THE football job in the country.
Tell me again about their athletic depts decision making???
I was referring to the ENTIRE athletic department. They compete, at a very high level, in almost every sport men's and women's.
Sure, they made some terrible hires in FB but most of us here would take their 'bad' years.
 
I think creating 5000 additional empty seats is not exactly filling in a blank for the program.
Why is this University planning to waste at least 20 million dollars on closing the south endzone? That money should be spent on hiring a Head Coach and staff before wasting it on 5000 more seats that will go unfilled.
We have the 12th highest paid HC and the lowest paid staff in the conference, You can't get players without having success and success needs to get paid! I may be angry after the blown promise of another season gone belly up but I say put the "South Endzone" project money in the pockets of a new coaching staff. Wins some games, go to some bowls then build the south endzone seats....and they won't be as empty as the north.
Ignoring the ridiculous notion of leaving/getting kicked out of the Big Ten (we are middle of the pack in terms of total national championships and as far as I can tell, we were 30th nationally last year in terms of revenue, ahead of Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, and Purdue), we are NOT even adding seats in the SEZ. It's an expansion of the training facilities which will free up room for the locker room to be expanded. Glass has said if capacity goes up at all, it will be in the dozens from a club seating area. That 5000 seat figure is complete BS that you are making up. Also, the funds for facilities projects are raised through private donations. If you want money to go to something specific, write a check.
 
Why would IU in the new AAC not make sense?
If you are looking for these "basketball schools" everybody preaches, why align with OSU, MSU and Wisconsin when you are a better fit with teams like Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple?
The bottom line is our football program has zero hope in this conference. We are completely and utterly replaceable in the new Big Ten. Basketball is mid-level in the conference and was replaced 15 years ago by Michigan State, Ohio State and Wisconsin. We have zero bargaining leverage left from our hardwood glory days and most of the conference could care less if we are a representative. We bring nothing now to the table....not when they could court a much more high profile football power. As the other OP said, we could be handed our walking papers one day....and one day we might just find our niche like Temple did when it was booted from the Big East.
It's coming for IU some day and the rest of the B1G could care less because they want a better football school in this conference. Or, IU could be left in the remnants of what was formerly the Big Ten when some conglomerate forms with power schools like Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, Alabama.
The basketball team less than 4 years ago were ranked #1 for over half the season and ended up with a #1 seed in the tournament. This would be the same as making the football tournament so IU basketball has been relevant in the last few years where football has never been close to that.
 
I'm still curious where this "5000 seats" figure came from. This meme has been going around for a year now.
 
The basketball team less than 4 years ago were ranked #1 for over half the season and ended up with a #1 seed in the tournament. This would be the same as making the football tournament so IU basketball has been relevant in the last few years where football has never been close to that.

A blip on the radar, I'll give you that much. Zero consistency however and one of the worst coaches in the conference. When Crean's bunch start dropping games to better coaches this year, come back and discuss. IU will be lucky to finish higher than 5th place....which is pretty good for IU basketball. It's an also-ran program in the B1G. Gets a helluva lot of hype from the fanbase though.
Don't go off the deep end when Crean gets spanked by Izzo and loses again to Ryan in their down year. Plus, Northwestern can pencil us in for at least one win. Crean has a losing record there. Stop acting like basketball is going to save this mess at IU. Ain't happening. Been over for a long time. Just need for some fans to remove the blinders.
 
A blip on the radar, I'll give you that much. Zero consistency however and one of the worst coaches in the conference. When Crean's bunch start dropping games to better coaches this year, come back and discuss. IU will be lucky to finish higher than 5th place....which is pretty good for IU basketball. It's an also-ran program in the B1G. Gets a helluva lot of hype from the fanbase though.
Don't go off the deep end when Crean gets spanked by Izzo and loses again to Ryan in their down year. Plus, Northwestern can pencil us in for at least one win. Crean has a losing record there. Stop acting like basketball is going to save this mess at IU. Ain't happening. Been over for a long time. Just need for some fans to remove the blinders.
Blinders? You are suggesting that we "quit" the B1G. We aren't going to get kicked out. If anyone was going to get kicked out based simply on 5 years of poor athletic performances and lack of revenue, it would probably be PU. But that is a completely ridiculous scenario as well. We aren't going to lose every game for the rest of eternity. The sun will come up tomorrow. It's going to be ok.

I mean, good gracious, we are still 4-3.
 
A blip on the radar, I'll give you that much. Zero consistency however and one of the worst coaches in the conference. When Crean's bunch start dropping games to better coaches this year, come back and discuss. IU will be lucky to finish higher than 5th place....which is pretty good for IU basketball. It's an also-ran program in the B1G. Gets a helluva lot of hype from the fanbase though.
Don't go off the deep end when Crean gets spanked by Izzo and loses again to Ryan in their down year. Plus, Northwestern can pencil us in for at least one win. Crean has a losing record there. Stop acting like basketball is going to save this mess at IU. Ain't happening. Been over for a long time. Just need for some fans to remove the blinders.
I want Crean gone as well but I am not on hear crying about how bad IU sports every day so why not do yourself a favor and take a break form IU sports if it makes you this miserable. I guess the year before when we beat UK the number 1 team and going to the sweet 16 that year was a bleep as well.
 
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There's some merit to this argument, but what about basketball? IU basketball is a national, historic brand. As long as we are good in basketball, our place in the conference is secure. I also think this trend toward national conferences will recede, and we will go back to logical geographical conferences.
Kansas was nearly an independent. When it looked like the Big 12 was folding they went searching for a new home and couldn't get a spot.

If you don't have football you'd better be in a heavily populated area
 
Blinders? You are suggesting that we "quit" the B1G. We aren't going to get kicked out. If anyone was going to get kicked out based simply on 5 years of poor athletic performances and lack of revenue, it would probably be PU. But that is a completely ridiculous scenario as well. We aren't going to lose every game for the rest of eternity. The sun will come up tomorrow. It's going to be ok.

I mean, good gracious, we are still 4-3.
No, what he is saying is the big football schools across the country are going to form their own super conferences and they will have their own title game. The rest of the schools will be schedule fillers

Why should OSU keep subsidizing IU? Sooner or later they are going to get tired of this revenue sharing arrangement. We are the small market baseball team that takes the luxury tax money from the Yankees and doesn't spend it on the field
 
I want Crean gone as well but I am not on hear crying about how bad IU sports every day so why not do yourself a favor and take a break form IU sports if it makes you this miserable. I guess the year before when we beat UK the number 1 team and going to the sweet 16 that year was a bleep as well.

Well....when you see your alma mater in the tank in both of the biggest profile, revenue generating sports and neither head guy can figure out how to play a shred of defense, you should have a right to be upset.
I'm looking at this out of the box:
IU is a small potatoes school in the B1G. It may be time to align ourselves with some schools that also have no hope of competing in their conferences as well. Form a lesser conference and fit into our niche and leave the big boy football and basketball to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and OSU. These are the marquee programs in the conference in both sports. Let's let little IU fight it out in a conference where they are on a more even playing field/court.
 
Well....when you see your alma mater in the tank in both of the biggest profile, revenue generating sports and neither head guy can figure out how to play a shred of defense, you should have a right to be upset.
I'm looking at this out of the box:
IU is a small potatoes school in the B1G. It may be time to align ourselves with some schools that also have no hope of competing in their conferences as well. Form a lesser conference and fit into our niche and leave the big boy football and basketball to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and OSU. These are the marquee programs in the conference in both sports. Let's let little IU fight it out in a conference where they are on a more even playing field/court.
Again IU has more than 2 sports and we are very competitive in about every thing but football. Stop looking at every thing in the right now and look at the big picture because IU has been one of the best sports programs though the years of the big ten. It was only about 3 or 4 years ago that IU came in second in the country in men sports but you don't want to see positive things. Yes basketball has been down compared to our history but we are still considered one of the top basketball programs in the big ten and the country. If IU basketball is so bad then why are we still on ESPN and CBS a lot and as much as any other conference team.

You always go to MSU and UW about being the marquee basketball programs but if you go back to over 20 years you would see neither as elite basketball programs and it shows things go in cycles and right now we are in a down one but we can get back to be on top.
 
Again IU has more than 2 sports and we are very competitive in about every thing but football. Stop looking at every thing in the right now and look at the big picture because IU has been one of the best sports programs though the years of the big ten. It was only about 3 or 4 years ago that IU came in second in the country in men sports but you don't want to see positive things. Yes basketball has been down compared to our history but we are still considered one of the top basketball programs in the big ten and the country. If IU basketball is so bad then why are we still on ESPN and CBS a lot and as much as any other conference team.

You always go to MSU and UW about being the marquee basketball programs but if you go back to over 20 years you would see neither as elite basketball programs and it shows things go in cycles and right now we are in a down one but we can get back to be on top.

1. Nobody cares about the recognition from cross country or men's diving. Great for them but they are not AD sustaining programs.

2. It's about the future, not the past... and Michigan State and UW are here to stay because of big time commitments (newer arenas, bigger crowds, better hires) than IU. You can help dust off the banners if you want.

If IU was such a destination job, why did they have to hire Sampson and then Crean? There were better coaches out there.
 
Take the blinders off, courtsense, Michigan State has been to at least 6 final fours, several championship games AND won it all in 2000...all of that success in the last 15 years!! No way in the world is IU above MSU as a program.

The 30, 40 and 50+ year old banners are rapidly collecting dust and losing much of their purchasing power in the world of "what have you done lately" sports. The only reason I'd give iu a fighting chance in this is because of their fan base...They do have a rabid fan base. But, one thing to consider is that successful schools like Michigan State have so much more football success that their fans simply can't and won't focus on basketball only....that's key here, IMO.
Or they're MSU students and don't have the capac
I was referring to the ENTIRE athletic department. They compete, at a very high level, in almost every sport men's and women's.
Sure, they made some terrible hires in FB but most of us here would take their 'bad' years.
Notre Dame is to college football what IU is to college basketball right now: A storied program trying to right the ship.
The difference is IU has 24 mens team NCAA champs. to ND's 21. Further, over half of ND's champs. are in football. Thats called one dimensional.
 
1. Nobody cares about the recognition from cross country or men's diving. Great for them but they are not AD sustaining programs.

2. It's about the future, not the past... and Michigan State and UW are here to stay because of big time commitments (newer arenas, bigger crowds, better hires) than IU. You can help dust off the banners if you want.

If IU was such a destination job, why did they have to hire Sampson and then Crean? There were better coaches out there.
The sign of a good AD is the OVERALL performance of all its teams, not just the money sports. Other than the national championship game last year, what has WI done other than lose high profile bball and bowl games? Hell, it was about time they got far in the tourney. Now Ryan's leaving and their football program has been in slow decline since Alvarez left. Gotta wonder why Bielema left for a lateral job at Arkansas and Ryan is retiring after a title game? Must be that amazing WI atleyic dept...
 
A blip on the radar, I'll give you that much. Zero consistency however and one of the worst coaches in the conference. When Crean's bunch start dropping games to better coaches this year, come back and discuss. IU will be lucky to finish higher than 5th place....which is pretty good for IU basketball. It's an also-ran program in the B1G. Gets a helluva lot of hype from the fanbase though.
Don't go off the deep end when Crean gets spanked by Izzo and loses again to Ryan in their down year. Plus, Northwestern can pencil us in for at least one win. Crean has a losing record there. Stop acting like basketball is going to save this mess at IU. Ain't happening. Been over for a long time. Just need for some fans to remove the blinders.
"Don't go off the deep end". That's precisely what you've been doing since the final seconds ticked off Saturday. I know you're disappointed by the loss, as is everyone, but you're losing your mind over stuff like leaving the Big Ten when it's never going to happen. Go find another school to support and leave IU in your rear view mirror.
 
The sign of a good AD is the OVERALL performance of all its teams, not just the money sports. Other than the national championship game last year, what has WI done other than lose high profile bball and bowl games? Hell, it was about time they got far in the tourney. Now Ryan's leaving and their football program has been in slow decline since Alvarez left. Gotta wonder why Bielema left for a lateral job at Arkansas and Ryan is retiring after a title game? Must be that amazing WI atleyic dept...
Oh my. This place gets dumber by the minute.
 
"Don't go off the deep end". That's precisely what you've been doing since the final seconds ticked off Saturday. I know you're disappointed by the loss, as is everyone, but you're losing your mind over stuff like leaving the Big Ten when it's never going to happen. Go find another school to support and leave IU in your rear view mirror.

Deep end, not so much. I've been saying this for years. Reality is reinforced as the years go by. Hey, don't get me wrong: IU being in the Big Ten is very good for the school financially. Most other B1G fan bases feel IU is a joke, so it needs to hang on in the conference as long as it can. Very fortunate to be a member in the big boy club.
 
Deep end, not so much. I've been saying this for years. Reality is reinforced as the years go by. Hey, don't get me wrong: IU being in the Big Ten is very good for the school financially. Most other B1G fan bases feel IU is a joke, so it needs to hang on in the conference as long as it can. Very fortunate to be a member in the big boy club.
Everything you post is negative. My guess is your a long suffering Boiler fan because no self respecting IU fan would trash the program like you do.
Theory #2: Considering the word 'Buffalo' is in your screen name, you're also most likely a depressed Bills fan, still wondering how you could have lost 4 Super Bowls. You're no IU fan...just bitter...
 
Everything you post is negative. My guess is your a long suffering Boiler fan because no self respecting IU fan would trash the program like you do.
Theory #2: Considering the word 'Buffalo' is in your screen name, you're also most likely a depressed Bills fan, still wondering how you could have lost 4 Super Bowls. You're no IU fan...just bitter...

All in incorrect.
Just opening your mind a bit. If you want to ignore reality, that's your choice.
 
Well....when you see your alma mater in the tank in both of the biggest profile, revenue generating sports and neither head guy can figure out how to play a shred of defense, you should have a right to be upset.
I'm looking at this out of the box:
IU is a small potatoes school in the B1G. It may be time to align ourselves with some schools that also have no hope of competing in their conferences as well. Form a lesser conference and fit into our niche and leave the big boy football and basketball to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and OSU. These are the marquee programs in the conference in both sports. Let's let little IU fight it out in a conference where they are on a more even playing field/court.
I get why people are losing (or out of) patience with Crean, but we're a Top 15 team preseason. We're hardly in the tank.
 
1. Nobody cares about the recognition from cross country or men's diving. Great for them but they are not AD sustaining programs.

2. It's about the future, not the past... and Michigan State and UW are here to stay because of big time commitments (newer arenas, bigger crowds, better hires) than IU. You can help dust off the banners if you want.

If IU was such a destination job, why did they have to hire Sampson and then Crean? There were better coaches out there.
Assembly Hall is fine. Recruits don't care that people in the balcony have poor views. It's being renovated, we have an excellent practice facility, and excellent academic study areas. It's still one of the biggest college basketball arenas in the country. Wisconsin's is bigger, but MSU's only holds around14-15,000. We are in the top 10 nationally in attendance (6th this past year) pretty much every year. Even with our football struggles, we bring in money. We aren't last in the conference in that department, despite your ramblings.
 
1. Nobody cares about the recognition from cross country or men's diving. Great for them but they are not AD sustaining programs.

2. It's about the future, not the past... and Michigan State and UW are here to stay because of big time commitments (newer arenas, bigger crowds, better hires) than IU. You can help dust off the banners if you want.

If IU was such a destination job, why did they have to hire Sampson and then Crean? There were better coaches out there.
I disagree about when hiring Crean because of all the sanctions so it was going to be hard to get anyone to leave their job for IU. Actually when he was hired Crean was a pretty good choice and I even remember when UK had a opening after they were looking at Crean but hire Gillespie
 
All in incorrect.
Just opening your mind a bit. If you want to ignore reality, that's your choice.
Basketball might have been down a little but in the last 13 years we have went to 1 national championship game and 3 sweet 16's with 12 big ten championships. For over 90% of the programs that would be a very good stretch but this was during our down years.
 
Basketball might have been down a little but in the last 13 years we have went to 1 national championship game and 3 sweet 16's with 12 big ten championships. For over 90% of the programs that would be a very good stretch but this was during our down years.

It's nothing to write home about.
It's mediocre results. It's okay though. IU knows it's pecking order in the B1G. If we finish beyond 5th place this season, I'd be shocked. I don't expect much out of the two major sporting programs at IU. It cannot touch the excellence of MSU or Wisky.
 
It's nothing to write home about.
It's mediocre results. It's okay though. IU knows it's pecking order in the B1G. If we finish beyond 5th place this season, I'd be shocked. I don't expect much out of the two major sporting programs at IU. It cannot touch the excellence of MSU or Wisky.
Why do you still watch if you are that unhappy and they make you so miserable. I hope you are not this negative in your real life because t would be terrible being around a person this miserable. this is sports and it really does not mean a thing in life so why get so bent out of shape over a game where you have no control over the outcome. Also why not wait and see how well MSU and UW does once Ryan and Izzo are gone and see if they can sustain this short term success. Remember not that long ago that both of these basketball and football programs that you talk about were very mediocre to bad so you just have to wait and see if they sustain that.
 
Scott - what are you talking about? MSU and Wisky with short term success? They have owned IU since the late 90s. Are you really being serious about Wisconsin? Please tell me you are kidding? Hasn't IU only won like 3 games against them out of 20+?

Bo and Izzo beat IU like a rented mule.
 
Scott - what are you talking about? MSU and Wisky with short term success? They have owned IU since the late 90s. Are you really being serious about Wisconsin? Please tell me you are kidding? Hasn't IU only won like 3 games against them out of 20+?

Bo and Izzo beat IU like a rented mule.
Here's some FACTS:
Since the 90-91 season, IU is 17-24 vs MSU and 18-20 vs WI. Not exactly being beaten 'like a rented mule'. Of course, IU is 67-52 ALLTIME vs MSU and 95-69 ALLTIME vs WI. Seriously, Buff, where did you really go to school? You sound like a Boiler or someone who didn't get accepted to IU.
 
I say that IU should seriously begin looking at joining the Sun Belt or AAC (old Conference USA). I've thought this for years. Our school's athletic program is small time. We cannot hope to compete with big machines like Wisconsin, MSU, UM, OSU. We are a fish out of water in the Big Ten.
Soccer is the dumbest sport ever invented.
Stupid, erroneous, irrelevant comment. If you don't like soccer, don't pay any attention to it. If you feel the need to interject, say something to add to the conversation.
 
If they kicked teams out because of terrible football they would have thrown out NW and UW in the 70's and 80's because they were terrible. Some people just don't look at things very realistically and just look at things emotionally and don't think straight.

They were both terrible at basketball too. Actually, Northwestern was terrible at everything and about the only thing Wisconsin was competitive in was cross-country.
 
They were both terrible at basketball too. Actually, Northwestern was terrible at everything and about the only thing Wisconsin was competitive in was cross-country.
But we lost and now the entire world is crumbling around me!!!11!1!
 
They were both terrible at basketball too. Actually, Northwestern was terrible at everything and about the only thing Wisconsin was competitive in was cross-country.
Thank you for pointing that out...thought I was the only one whi remembered....
 
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