All of which is completely non-responsive to my point.
So, the shooter was wearing a Right Wing Militia t-shirt
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There may be more to it than simply saying the "SS ****ed up". Turns out that for events like this the SS relies pretty heavily on local law enforcement...
"It turns out, the Secret Service’s over reliance on Pennsylvania cops may be partially to blame, with a report from The Washington Post revealing Sunday the agency punted the responsibility of surveying and securing some nearby structures to local officers.
Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesperson for the Secret Service, conceded that the agency relied on local law enforcement to fill in “significant parts of its typical array of specialized protective units,” the Post reported."
It may have been an issue of manpower, since both Jill Biden and VP Harris had campaign events yesterday as well.Also POTUS was in Delaware and that means a security detail as well. Trump was in Trump country so they may have decided to give the local pro-Trump law enforcement agencies a larger role...
Secret Service in Crisis: Used Local Cops at Trump Rally
It’s been the question on everyone’s mind since Donald Trump narrowly escaped death in an assassination attempt Saturday night: How, exactly, was a 20-year-old rifleman able to perch himself on a rooftop just 150 yards away from the former president during a rally?It turns out, the Secret...
He had an AR-15 "style" rifle, right? Isn't that a .223? I don't know - I'm out of my league when it comes to ballistics. I haven't heard he used a scope. I'm sure we'll find out.
Maybe so, but that seems like something that shouldn’t be puntedThere may be more to it than simply saying the "SS ****ed up". Turns out that for events like this the SS relies pretty heavily on local law enforcement...
"It turns out, the Secret Service’s over reliance on Pennsylvania cops may be partially to blame, with a report from The Washington Post revealing Sunday the agency punted the responsibility of surveying and securing some nearby structures to local officers.
Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesperson for the Secret Service, conceded that the agency relied on local law enforcement to fill in “significant parts of its typical array of specialized protective units,” the Post reported."
It may have been an issue of manpower, since both Jill Biden and VP Harris had campaign events yesterday as well.Also POTUS was in Delaware and that means a security detail as well. Trump was in Trump country so they may have decided to give the local pro-Trump law enforcement agencies a larger role...
Secret Service in Crisis: Used Local Cops at Trump Rally
It’s been the question on everyone’s mind since Donald Trump narrowly escaped death in an assassination attempt Saturday night: How, exactly, was a 20-year-old rifleman able to perch himself on a rooftop just 150 yards away from the former president during a rally?It turns out, the Secret...www.yahoo.com
Just saying, if I were trying to kidnap and kill, say, Mike Pence, and when I carried out my plot he wasn't home, so I critically wound his wife. I did not commit political violence?
No one gets shit wrong more than you shitter. You know that
I asked a very specific question that many of you want to expand to prove some point.
Scalise is one and Trump may be the second. Now, if you or others want to acknowledge that fact and then counter that if one is to look beyond my stated question, then by all means do so.
But so far, nobody has.
And I am not trying to trace anything back to anything a dem has said. I simply questioned the validity of your 100 quotes statement. You clearly pointed out some books and films which I said I would check out.
I then noted that there has only been one violent attack against a federal politician for political reasons, in recent memory, that being Scalise. And now Trump, could, COULD, be the second.
I guess my point was that the Trump team went all incindiary on assuming it was someone on the left (and someone influenced by Biden) very prematurely.JD Vance put out an inflammatory tweet (still angling for that VP slot) trying to accuse Biden's rhetoric of being to blame.
Aside from the fact that such a claim ignores Trump's own role in promoting an environment of hate, there is (as of yet) not a single shred of evidence that the shooter had any positive feelings towards Biden. Moreover, for all we know the shooter could have been someone on the far right of the spectrum upset over Trump's attempts to pull back on positions like abortion or gun rights. So it seems more than a little premature to blame someone on the left, or someone inspired by Biden's rhetoric. We simply don't know the kid's motivation...
McMurt, our resident arsehole
the attacker gets McMurt points for being stupid and missing his intended target, Nancy.
That’s kind of like when I see a stat that says the first time a rookie basketball player has hit 5 threes, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, playing against the Pacers. It’s rather specific and doesn’t prove much. And I still disagree that Giffords wasn’t political.
Now I’m going to make a post about all the times that Dems have been targeted but the assaulter failed.
I'm talking about you again personally insulting me. You did it in another thread. I have not made any personal insults towards you. Yet, because we disagree, you choose to use personal insults.
Ok. But is it really that hard to say: you are correct on Scalise and possibly Trup but I think your question is too narrowly focused and should include this or that?
Once I read the book and watch the films (if they are free), and if are correct, I'll say so.
I've already proven Giffords wasn't political in another reply. Luckily it's still on my clipboard.
Jared Lee Loughner - Wikipedia
Maybe if you tried to be civil and improve the discourse, you wouldn't have to try and remember to whom you have hurled personal insults. Just be kind.
recap of recent political violence
It's not just political violence, it's violence in general. Fights at sporting events, random attacks on streets, subways, etc. This crap needs to stop and both parties are to blame and social media, IMHO.
AR can come in damn near any caliber. AR is kind of like the handle of the hammer, you can put a lot of hammer heads on it. Everything that Mas said is 100% true. All of those rounds are VERY capable of hitting that target, and nearly all of them could do so going out to 500+ yrds, while the rest go MUCH further.
The only thing that I have not noticed confirmed yet, vrs what I saw in a pic, was if this punk was using Iron sights or an optic. What I saw was an AR (or appeared to be) with iron sites, no scope.
The scope of "nearly" any power, would make that shot as easy as scratching your ear, at 150 yrds. With iron sites, still VERY possible, but adds to the complexity.
Either way, it seems that the kid did what he planned, other than Trump turned his head slightly at just the exact moment that he had to, to ,,,,, be on top of the grass today. Otherwise.. nope. It's doesn't get much closer.
And on a bit more of a training note, this is why most are taught to shoot the body mass, not the head. .... But a snipers mindset is, well a bit different, and for different reasons than the normal public has to worry about.
So much for trying to improve the civil discourse.
Let me answer your question this way.
When Coach comes down, and starts to put you into traction. I can be there within short order, to unplug all of the tubes.
I am trying to understand why only SOME shootings matter. Why is that an illegitimate question? 30 kids die and we are told to move on.
5.56 NATO round has been standardized for M16 and various generations, to include the IMI Tavor series in bullpup configuration. The AR-15 platform uses mainly the .223, designed to serve as a sport and hunting rifle.
They are considered interchangeable, with the NATO round having higher case pressures, and greater muzzle velocity.
Everyone has some optic on his long gun these days
This kid wasn't a professional. His dad bought the gun. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a scope.
It was an AR-15, so I imagine it was .223. Still would have done considerable damage if it hit the skull.
I still think 150 yards is a difficult shot, considering he probably felt rushed and wasn't good enough to make his HS shooting team.
The question isn't if it could go that far - of course it could. The question is if the kid was a good enough shot to make it. I know it would be a challenge for me, unlike all the expert riflemen here.
I've seen this mentioned a couple of times, but haven't seen it in print. Surprised a HS still has a shooting team. Got a link?
This is the only link DANC can mash with his fat hands on his Jitterbug keyboard: 😂
What makes you say that? The body was wearing the t-shirt and the kid registered as a Pub and voted in the 202 midterms. Seems like his post was right on target...
I don't. I think I read it here, but I don't know who posted or where. So it may or may not be true.
You may be surprised to know that there are skeet shooting HS teams in Indiana. My cousin coached the team at Garrett HS - the Railroaders (great name). His son won all kinds of awards. And there were other teams in Indiana, although I don't know which ones.
It was something one of his classmates said during an interview. In Fact the guy who claimed to be a member of the rifle team told the reporter conducting the interview that the other team members felt he was a danger whenever he shot.
It struck me as almost humorous when I heard him say it. He said that whenever Crooks shot he was so off target that the other team members worried they might get (unintentionally) hit. It was so bad that the coaches told him not to come back.
