I think the bar will be set around top 4-5 of B1G and S16 barring anything crazy.
recruiting-wise, he hired Kenya to address that. So, it’ll be interesting to see what happens from now until next fall
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recruiting-wise, he hired Kenya to address that. So, it’ll be interesting to see what happens from now until next fall
I would argue Potter Reevers better combo, Young I think is better than Race for OSU pair him with Sueing and Lidell, better combo. Williams Wheeler better combo record would say.
If that’s all the higher the bar in a gift 5th year (that he hasn’t earned by any reasonable standard) in order to be granted a 6th, then I think it will be official that the powers that be have thrown in the towel on having a men’s basketball program that is even moderately competitive in the B10, let alone anything approaching national prominence.
And I would add to this that they don’t mind paying to have a nationally prominent program...they just don’t have much in the way of expectations of actually having one.
Just finish in the top third of the conference and win 2 tournament games in one year out of 5, and you’re good to go!
Bingo, they're happy with the perception and we're constantly rebuilding. News of the day, the sweater wearing RMK donors are probably not happy, getting old like me, and they're not going to pay out unless they do something to improve the product. I really thought AM was saved by COVID, but I'm not so sure anymore, it's reaching a boiling point. He really needs to go. Recruiting is dead though, and there's no F'n way this guy deserves an extension. It's when, not if
I’m just speculating what an objective Dolson would do. Doesn’t mean he’ll get a 5 year extension. But if he far exceeds that, maybe he will get a long extension.
Either way - I think that would be the minimum. Anything less and he’s probably gone.
Well, I’ll be surprised if he’s fired after this season, whatever happens from here on out. I certainly agree that he should be. In fact, I’d guess that he probably would’ve been had the university and athletic department not had to deal with the financial fallout from COVID, even in spite of the buyout amount.
But if it’s true that all he has to do next year is finish in the top third of the conference and get to the 2nd weekend of the tournament to go forward, after 4 years of futility, then we may as well consider ourselves Minnesota.
I’ll tell you where my bar would be in a gift 5th year that he hadn’t earned in his first 4: B10 conference champs and a top 2 tourney seed.
Don’t disagree. Archie’s model of get old and stay old, in theory, would put them in the top part of the conference and stay there for as long as he’s here. No major rebuild seasons, etc. The blueprint is to build it, then sustain it.
He hasn’t obviously done that and questionable if he’s building it, but he’s said this from Day 1 and next year will be the year he’s judged.
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Did you look at Reuvers numbers? He's been awful. It's one of the main reasons Wisconsin hasn't been as good this season. Wheeler is also terrible. He doesn't even start for Purdue? Keep the afternoon bong rips to a minimum
. I think Young and Race are a toss up. They have very similar numbers. I'd still give the edge to TJD and Race, but I understand if someone likes Liddell and Young more.
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Did you look at Reuvers numbers? He's been awful. It's one of the main reasons Wisconsin hasn't been as good this season. Wheeler is also terrible. He doesn't even start for Purdue? Keep the afternoon bong rips to a minimum
I think Young and Race are a toss up. They have very similar numbers. I'd still give the edge to TJD and Race, but I understand if someone likes Liddell and Young more.
Reuvers doesn’t start for Wisconsin either. Still think they are better combos. That’s why they are top 25 teams and we are bottom half of the B1G.
Kraft wanted the IU job. I know one of his friends that worked with him at IU. McRobbie gave the job to a guy that reminds him of Fred Glass.
Questionable? I don’t think it’s at all questionable whether or not he’s “built it.” He hasn’t. Or, at least, he’s built something analogous to Tom Hanks’ house in “The Money Pit.”
To many, this was supposed to be the payoff year — and yet we’re sitting at 9th in the conference with an overall record not far from .500. Recruiting has never been great, but it’s worse now that his seat’s perceived as being warm.
Anyway, I agree he’s probably going to get another year. But not for the reason you want a coach to get another year. And because it’s basically a grace year that he’ll get because of COVID, I’d say the bar should be that much higher.
But is there cause to be optimistic that next year will be the Godot we’ve all been patiently waiting for? I don’t think so. It seems more likely to just be more rail cars coming off the tracks.
Hell, if I was a Purdue fan (i am NOT though), I would definitely want Archie to stay at IU for a long time. I mean Painter owns him and will own him for several more years if he stays. He is taking IU no where fast and needs to be gone ASAP!
Article is dead on we can use Big Ten Network money to get rid of Archie every year its around 90million lower this year but thats what Maryland and Rutgers have done in the past to hire coaches.
Right, IU has no plans for that money. Every year, they just put it in the bank in case they need to fire some people.
Completely speculating. Shows some progress. Is realistic. Etc.
Dolson isn’t going to say “you have to make F4 or you’re out”. Nor will he say “if you’re above .500 we’ll hammer out an extension”.
Well, I don't have any beef with Dolson. I get that he was considered the "heir apparent" -- which at least gives the appearance that he was a continuation of Glass. But that's not fair to him.
His involvement in Indiana athletics goes back a long, long way. He went from being a student manager in the Knight era to working for Tim Knight to the Varsity Club in the late 80s. And he's climbed the ladder at IUB ever since -- through several presidents and several ADs. And everybody I've talked to who has interactions with the athletic department speaks highly of him -- which, if you think about it, says a lot about a guy considering the whole Knight schism and what's transpired since (the Sampson debacle, etc.).
As for Pat Kraft firing Jim Christian mid-season, I'm not all that impressed. Granted, Kraft just came on the job last summer. But Christian was stinking it up at BC for years. He lasted 6.5 years, despite a dismal final winning percentage of .371 and an ACC winning percentage of .217. The fact that he lasted as long as he did, faring as poorly as he did, is a great example of how not to handle a major sports program. You don't just keep waiting for things to magically get better -- because they usually don't. And the farther you let yourself sink down that hole, the harder it will be to get out.
I don't know all the circumstances there. Given that Kraft was just hired in July probably explains why Christian was still on the job come September. But, here again, the timing of filling of an AD position is going to have a bearing on their coaching positions. No way could Kraft have fired Christian in July -- but firing a coach mid-season is usually something schools try to avoid, if possible.
In our case, Fred Glass (and, I'd assume, McRobbie) was dead set that Archie was going to get a 4th year. And the timing of Glass' retirement absolutely shut the door on any possibility of replacing him. And now, because of COVID, we're likely stuck with him for another year...despite things swirling down the commode right in front of our eyes.
One can argue the cupboard is not bare. Promising freshman class. Good sophomore class. Stewart ready to go next year. Hunter and Race back.
I realize that we'll have familiar names on the roster next year. It's not like I'm having nightmares of Devan Dumes and Bobby Capobianco taking the floor at first tip-off.
But surely you realize this isn't an either/or thing. The question isn't whether the cupboard is bare or stocked. The question is whether or not it's going to be stocked well-enough to be a good Big Ten team. I didn't think we would be this year (though I admit that I thought we'd be better than we are) and, as of right now, I suspect it'll be less so next year.
But (a) hope springs eternal (what choice do we have?), and (b) I guess there's the X factor this year of the wild-west transfer situation...such that we might see a lot more roster turnover than we typically do. And maybe we'll rid ourselves of some problems and gain ourselves some solutions. Who knows?
Whatever the case, it's gotten incredibly hard to have any confidence that Archie is up to the task of producing a winner at Indiana.
We are not top 25 because they have better big men than us. They have better guards then we have.
Our guards are inconsistent. When they are on, we play with anyone. When they are bad, we are absolutely horrible. But our bigs are the reason why we are generally in games.
Our guards are what is holding us back.
Look at it this way, if other coaches were putting together a roster of players from the B1G, how many of our guys do you suppose would get licked
Sure. You don’t have to get 5-stars to be successful. But the players you do get have to be able to play at the level you want to compete at. We don’t have enough players that are top of the B1G level guys. I could careless how many stars they have. Bottom line this group hasn’t performed well for any extended period of time. Just a few decent performances here and there.
And it’s going to get Archie fired.
“Maybe he gets the come to Jesus talk this summer”
How do you people come up with this stuff?? You honestly think he’s sandbagging waiting to be told it’s time to win??
I think I have asked you this before but...
SO, you think if FG wouldn't have said what you object to and Archie thinks he might get fired, he suddenly becomes a better coach and IU wins more games? You REALLY believe that scenario?
You don't think that Archie isn't HYPER competitive? To the point that no one could put more pressure on him that he does to himself?
I have no doubt that you are right, and that it is has been hurting the team since day 1.
How is Tom Brew an award-winning journalist? He is a terrible writer! I just detected several grammatical in this article and I didn't even read all of it. His writing style is repulsive!
Is he "banging cocktail waitresses two at a time" at least?
It would take a TREMENDOUS departure from how IU has handled things for decades for him to be fired after this season. No way the same BoT & an AD that Was a protege to FG is gonna pony up the cash.
No usually they just get the money from you Mr Big Bucks. It was mentioned on radio because all this nonsense IU has no money.
Financial considerations aside, it doesn't seem the IU Way to part ways with a coach this quickly. I can't see it. IU simply isn't a school to fire someone 4 years into a 7 year contract for anything less than misconduct. Even if we miss the tourney this season (I still think we'll make it) the narrative will be that we certainly would have made it last season and the future looks bright. And so on.
And like others have said, it might not be best to fire him this year anyway. It's not as if there's an obvious successor waiting.
Who?
He lost the top two players from Indiana to Purdue of all places, Hell Kaufman is from southern Indiana and picked Purdue. Archie should be fired for that alone.
So next year is the year he'll finally be judged but not the previous 4? Mrs. Miller is that you?
I don’t think Glass not saying what he said would’ve made a difference in how the team played, no.
But what it would’ve done is left his options open, made a clear indication that he was committed to a successful program, etc.
FTR, I don’t think he should’ve said it was a make-or-break year or that Archie was in a win-or-else situation. I just think it was a mistake for him to suggest that no matter how the team performed, Archie’s job was safe. And I sure as hell wouldn’t have scheduled my retirement (probably deliberately, though we’ll never know) to ensure that was the case.
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