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Moral victories are fine as long as they don't replace actual scoreboard victories. We need to win the games we're supposed to, and take our moral victories from the remainder.I do believe in moral victories. The common thread of a moral victory is that you play each down with intensity and don't get discouraged by the prior play.
IU played tough that day, but Ohio State didn't win because of the officiating. Ohio State won because they were the better team.
They were the better team even if Sudfeldn and Howard play the entire game. There's no football debate that Ohio State was better. IU played great but Ohio State was the superior team. And the refs had nothing to do with it.They were the better team following the loss of IU's two top skill players, but they won because of the reasons I posted. There is no objective debate on that.
They were the better team even if Sudfeldn and Howard play the entire game. There's no football debate that Ohio State was better. IU played great but Ohio State was the superior team. And the refs had nothing to do with it.
I'm not sure we know yet exactly how good O$U really is. BGSU, Rutgers and Tulsa are all terrible, and Oklahoma hasn't yet shown itself to be anything above average. As always, the Buckeyes have mega-talent, but they also haven't faced much defensive resistance. We will certainly find out Saturday if the IU defense is really vastly improved. IU will have to be perfect to win and hope that O$U doesn't play to its potential. It could be a rout, it could be close. I hope we compete and come out free of significant injuries.
Yep...seen them this year and over 40 years before that. Seen then live and on TV...seen huge talent disparity mean little as few team are as notorious over the years for playing down to the level of their competition. OSU is more used to being annointed the winner than working hard for it. They are perfectly capable of laying an egg...huge talent or not. They also usually have big ego problems too. Im not impressed with Meyers either, not with the amount of talent hes already had and how little hes done with it.
Mostly likely we will not win this game...B10 officals always help OSU, particularily at home. But they are beatable...they have fragile confidence. Punch them in the mouth and they stagger. Glass jaw...
God I hate OSU and its foul mouthed fans...
It is not delutional to believe IU can beat OSU.
Ive been there when its happened twice before, and it should have happened again last year. OSU has one big achilles heel with us...they simply cant mentally prepare for our games due to our history. Cant blame them really, but its there to use if enough things go right.
They are the better team. Nobody questions that...but Ill frigging hate losing to those arrogant pin heads every time...shame and all. Never lay down for anyone and you worship them to much for a team that regularily plays down to the level of their competition. Screw OSU...
Yep...seen them this year and over 40 years before that. Seen then live and on TV...seen huge talent disparity mean little as few team are as notorious over the years for playing down to the level of their competition. OSU is more used to being annointed the winner than working hard for it. They are perfectly capable of laying an egg...huge talent or not. They also usually have big ego problems too. Im not impressed with Meyers either, not with the amount of talent hes already had and how little hes done with it.
Mostly likely we will not win this game...B10 officals always help OSU, particularily at home. But they are beatable...they have fragile confidence. Punch them in the mouth and they stagger. Glass jaw...
God I hate OSU and its foul mouthed fans...
Food for thought. O$U has played BGSU, Tulsa, Oklahoma and Rutgers.
1. BGSG is 1-4, including a 77-3 loss to Memphis
2. Tulsa is bad, a 3-1 record with wins against teams that are 1- 8 against FBS teams.
3. Oklahoma is 2-2 and gave up 46 points in their close win over TCU. OU is giving up 35.3 points a game.
4. Rutgers is 2-3 with wins over Howard and New Mexico (their sole FBS win was over San Jose 1-4). And RU was without their sole good offensive player.
Not exactly murders row, but given OU was a good win. However, as stated above, they have given up points in bunches to everyone and anyone. College football has become a hype machine. Imagine if LSU had this schedule. Most likely they would be 4-0 or maybe 3-1 and they would be in the discussion of a national title (and not a dumpster fire with a fired coach). If you do not like this example fill in ND or FSU. My point is not that O$U is bad, or even mediocre. I am saying they may be over hyped. Remember how good MSU was after they beat ND- #8 in the country. They were exposed by Wisky, and thrown out of the top 25 by the Hoosiers. O$U may be fast, but they are is still young. And in the words of Mickey Andrews one of the greatest defensive coordinators in modern football of his young defense "they are fast, but if they are running in the wrong direction, they are getting in the wrong place fast." Go IU.
Yep...seen them this year and over 40 years before that. Seen then live and on TV...seen huge talent disparity mean little as few team are as notorious over the years for playing down to the level of their competition. OSU is more used to being annointed the winner than working hard for it. They are perfectly capable of laying an egg...huge talent or not. They also usually have big ego problems too. Im not impressed with Meyers either, not with the amount of talent hes already had and how little hes done with it.
Mostly likely we will not win this game...B10 officals always help OSU, particularily at home. But they are beatable...they have fragile confidence. Punch them in the mouth and they stagger. Glass jaw...
God I hate OSU and its foul mouthed fans...
Wow. You are really making me dislike Indiana! Not for believing you can win, every team should. But the way you attempt to disregard what this team has accomplished it just amazing. You really think Ohio State needs the refs to beat Indiana? Now you sound like Penn St. In fact, the more I read it seems that you have to be joking or trolling. That's what it is...I apologize to actual Indiana fans.
Shouldn't we critique every play if we're going to cry about the officiating?I suggest you take your scarlet and grey Carhartts off, find a friend who knows the rules and then watch the final play of last year's game.
I hate OSU as much as you do, but you have to be kidding with that Urban Meyer reference. The guy is at very least the 2nd best coach in the country. It's not even debatable.
He's been there 4 years, been to a BCS bowl every year they've been eligible, and won a National Title. On top of 4 straight Big Ten championships.
Add in 2 titles at Florida and a BCS win at Utah.
The guy is a top 5 coach all time. Could be #2 when its all said and done. Agree on the OSU hate, couldn't disagree more on Urban.
He didn't recruit at Florida? He hasn't recruited at OSU? He didn't recruit that #3 ranked class or the #2 class next year?He is great at choosing where he coaches. No one picks his spots better than Urban. Even the Utah team he inherited was loaded. Florida was loaded, when Florida dried up talent-wise, he bailed. He is best at finding programs ready to take off, I will give him that. His only real coaching was Bowling Green, there he didn't have a recruiting advantage (He never recruited Utah, he was there for two years and bolted).
He didn't recruit at Florida? He hasn't recruited at OSU? He didn't recruit that #3 ranked class or the #2 class next year?
I agree he's been at good programs, but what top coach hasn't been? And plenty of coaches struggle at top programs. The bottom line is he's one of the best ever. You don't have to like the guy to acknowledge he's good.
I never imagined that Urban Meyer would have to be defended on this website. But I was wrong. Next month we will hear from one or two posters about Jim Harbaugh only being able to coach-up established talent.
Oh, they definitely needed the refs to win last year.Wow. You are really making me dislike Indiana! Not for believing you can win, every team should. But the way you attempt to disregard what this team has accomplished it just amazing. You really think Ohio State needs the refs to beat Indiana? Now you sound like Penn St. In fact, the more I read it seems that you have to be joking or trolling. That's what it is...I apologize to actual Indiana fans.
No, we shouldn't. Not every play decides the game. Not every play had such a blatant PI committed. In the end zone. On the last play of the game.Shouldn't we critique every play if we're going to cry about the officiating?
Kelly didn't build it from scratch, Mike Bellotti did.How tough is it to recruit OSU or Florida? Look at what he did to the Florida roster? When it was empty, he bolted.
I agree that he will go down as one of the best ever, but there are few "best ever coaches" that went to unsuccessful programs and built them to winners. He is not in Bowden's class, Bowden built a nothing school into a power. Most go to recruiting football factories and have a built in advantage. Even guys like Kelly at Oregon, Snyder at KSU, Schnellenberger at Miami, they built from nothing. Meyer is like Parsegian, Holtz, Stoops, Carrol they did it at powers with built in advantages. Meyer will only go somewhere that he has an advantage, hard to respect him for that.
But, you can worship the guy all you like. Just don't tell me how hard it is to recruit at Ohio State and Florida.
Ohio State won the national title that way on a "fictional" PI in the end zone against MiamiNo, we shouldn't. Not every play decides the game. Not every play had such a blatant PI committed. In the end zone. On the last play of the game.
It's OK to admit you got a little lucky - we got real lucky against MSU. But let's not act like that uncalled penalty had nothing to do with the outcome.
You haven't been here much then.I never imagined that Urban Meyer would have to be defended on this website. But I was wrong. Next month we will hear from one or two posters about Jim Harbaugh only being able to coach-up established talent.
I sure wouldn't put Parsegian in that category. He earned his stripes at Northwestern - not an easy thing to do at that time.How tough is it to recruit OSU or Florida? Look at what he did to the Florida roster? When it was empty, he bolted.
I agree that he will go down as one of the best ever, but there are few "best ever coaches" that went to unsuccessful programs and built them to winners. He is not in Bowden's class, Bowden built a nothing school into a power. Most go to recruiting football factories and have a built in advantage. Even guys like Kelly at Oregon, Snyder at KSU, Schnellenberger at Miami, they built from nothing. Meyer is like Parsegian, Holtz, Stoops, Carrol they did it at powers with built in advantages. Meyer will only go somewhere that he has an advantage, hard to respect him for that.
But, you can worship the guy all you like. Just don't tell me how hard it is to recruit at Ohio State and Florida.
Enough already. IU's receiver had already stepped out of bounds. He became an ineligible receiver when that happened. You cannot interfere with an ineligible receiver. Game over.No, we shouldn't. Not every play decides the game. Not every play had such a blatant PI committed. In the end zone. On the last play of the game.
It's OK to admit you got a little lucky - we got real lucky against MSU. But let's not act like that uncalled penalty had nothing to do with the outcome.
No respect because he was offered and accepted jobs at historically successful schools? Wow.How tough is it to recruit OSU or Florida? Look at what he did to the Florida roster? When it was empty, he bolted.
I agree that he will go down as one of the best ever, but there are few "best ever coaches" that went to unsuccessful programs and built them to winners. He is not in Bowden's class, Bowden built a nothing school into a power. Most go to recruiting football factories and have a built in advantage. Even guys like Kelly at Oregon, Snyder at KSU, Schnellenberger at Miami, they built from nothing. Meyer is like Parsegian, Holtz, Stoops, Carrol they did it at powers with built in advantages. Meyer will only go somewhere that he has an advantage, hard to respect him for that.
But, you can worship the guy all you like. Just don't tell me how hard it is to recruit at Ohio State and Florida.
After Rich Brooks got it started. And Pete Carroll didn't take over a juggernaut at USC, either. And Meyer came to OSU on the heels of scandal under JT. And Holtz replaced the legendary Gerry Faust. Lots of foggy memories here.Kelly didn't build it from scratch, Mike Bellotti did.
Plenty of uncalled penalties throughout a game. Never had any time for crying about them after the fact.No, we shouldn't. Not every play decides the game. Not every play had such a blatant PI committed. In the end zone. On the last play of the game.
It's OK to admit you got a little lucky - we got real lucky against MSU. But let's not act like that uncalled penalty had nothing to do with the outcome.
You can say that about 10-15 programs at least. How has it worked out for most coaches at those programs? How many of them have won 3 titles by age 52? None of the coaches you listed are in Urban's class.How tough is it to recruit OSU or Florida? Look at what he did to the Florida roster? When it was empty, he bolted.
I agree that he will go down as one of the best ever, but there are few "best ever coaches" that went to unsuccessful programs and built them to winners. He is not in Bowden's class, Bowden built a nothing school into a power. Most go to recruiting football factories and have a built in advantage. Even guys like Kelly at Oregon, Snyder at KSU, Schnellenberger at Miami, they built from nothing. Meyer is like Parsegian, Holtz, Stoops, Carrol they did it at powers with built in advantages. Meyer will only go somewhere that he has an advantage, hard to respect him for that.
But, you can worship the guy all you like. Just don't tell me how hard it is to recruit at Ohio State and Florida.
You can say that about 10-15 programs at least. How has it worked out for most coaches at those programs? How many of them have won 3 titles by age 52? None of the coaches you listed are in Urban's class.
So by your standards you want him to leave OSU to go to a program like IU or Kansas just to prove he can build a program from scratch? I don't think any coach in history would've ever done that. And by the way, I have no doubt he'd be competing for titles in 3-5 years if he coached at IU. The guy is that good.
No one would choose to go to a struggling program unless they had no other options (see Kevin Wilson). Meyer can hardly be blamed for doing what anyone else would do in similar circumstances.I said no one picked where they went better than Urban. He would never chose to go to a struggling program, that is why he has 3 championships. Sorry I disagree with you, I think his level of success is more where he coached than what he coached.
All those schools have the infrastructure in place to win big, quick. As opposed to a Kentucky, IU or Rutgers.After Rich Brooks got it started. And Pete Carroll didn't take over a juggernaut at USC, either. And Meyer came to OSU on the heels of scandal under JT. And Holtz replaced the legendary Gerry Faust. Lots of foggy memories here.
If coaching wasn't very important, the previous coaches wouldn't have lost their jobs. There's a reason why the new guys win and the old guys didn't. Great coaching. Urban is an outstanding coach. His track record confirms it.All those schools have the infrastructure in place to win big, quick. As opposed to a Kentucky, IU or Rutgers.
Also, look at the rosters those guys inherited, Faust was a terrible College coach but a good recruiter. OSU was rolling under Tressel, that scandal was a hiccup. Also, check out the roster at USC in Carrol's first year! Look below, these are the NFL players on Pete Carrol's first USC team (he inherited) and went 6-6 before going on a tear.
How about the OSC team Meyer inherited? Looks to be close to 15 that were drafted, not including free agents. Yeah, it is all coaching.
If coaching wasn't very important, the previous coaches wouldn't have lost their jobs. There's a reason why the new guys win and the old guys didn't. Great coaching. Urban is an outstanding coach. His track record confirms it.
And Meyer made it even better. And check out the records of the guys who preceded Carroll and Holtz. It blows your argument apart.Players win in college, recruiting allows for a great talent disparity. Old coaches usually pay the bills for the new guy who gets credit for the player maturity.
By the way, Tressel was 94 - 22 with 6 conference championships, a National Championship, and went to 2 others in his 10 years. For the last 5 years he was 55 - 10. C'mon, to say that Meyer has created something at OSU is ridiculous. OSU has been at this level for a decade. Meyer took over as they were hitting their stride.