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You obviously misread what I posted.
How? Joe Biden's taxes ARE publicly available. He released them, like every presidential candidate should.

So, unless you are saying that you think a private citizen should have their tax returns available for public scrutiny, then no, you don't get to see them, because Hunter has not, and is currently not running for office.

If you have evidence that Joe Biden is lying about his publicly available taxes, then feel free to submit that information to the DOJ or IRS for proper investigation.
 
How? Joe Biden's taxes ARE publicly available. He released them, like every presidential candidate should.

So, unless you are saying that you think a private citizen should have their tax returns available for public scrutiny, then no, you don't get to see them, because Hunter has not, and is currently not running for office.

If you have evidence that Joe Biden is lying about his publicly available taxes, then feel free to submit that information to the DOJ or IRS for proper investigation.
Hunter was selling influence WHILE BIDEN WAS VP. And Biden lied and said he didn't know about it.

I don't give a shit about his taxes - he's not declaring his 10% being held for the Big Guy.
 
True, but he's not running for high office either. Is this a "With great power comes great responsibility" type situation? Do the American people have a right to know your financial entanglements when you are going to be making potential decisions that are going to be affecting their financial future?
I honestly don't know. In order to be eligible for one of the more important jobs in the country should you be willing to give up a touch of your financial priracy?
And even more so when you have business investments that will profit greatly from your position. Which I realize is everyone in both parties, but certainly some more than others.
 
A US Ambassador and US security personnel were killed in Benghazi during a time the administration said was not going to be affected by the 9/11 anniversary.

There's one helluva difference between that and Trump's tax returns.
Calm down, Republicans admitted BENGHAZI was political. You can too.
 
Here's a question. When did we come to the idea that someone's tax returns should be private information by default, anyway? I say make all tax returns public.

Spoken like a guy with nothing to lose. I'm fine with public disclosure for politicians, but why would private citizens have to show their income? Some people like to live below their means and lead unassuming lives. It's just going to cause problems.
 
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A US Ambassador and US security personnel were killed in Benghazi during a time the administration said was not going to be affected by the 9/11 anniversary.

There's one helluva difference between that and Trump's tax returns.

Plot twist - Trump funded the Libyan riots
 
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Hunter was selling influence WHILE BIDEN WAS VP.
Biden was not VP during the alleged "10% to the Big Guy" investment email. Kinda hard to sell influence when your dad has been out of office for four months.

"In an email to Hunter, Jim and other partners on May 13, 2017, Gilliar outlined an equity breakdown in which 10% of the lucrative CEFC joint venture would be held by Hunter “for the big guy.” "


If you have other evidence of influence that occurred while Biden was still in office, please present it. Don't just come back with "Well, if we was selling influence in May, he had to be doing it before then too!"

Again, I'm not saying that it is not possible. But the evidence so far does not support that claim.
 
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Biden was not VP during the alleged "10% to the Big Guy" investment email. Kinda hard to sell influence when your dad has been out of office for four months.

"In an email to Hunter, Jim and other partners on May 13, 2017, Gilliar outlined an equity breakdown in which 10% of the lucrative CEFC joint venture would be held by Hunter “for the big guy.” "


If you have other evidence of influence that occurred while Biden was still in office, please present it. Don't just come back with "Well, if we was selling influence in May, he had to be doing it before then too!"

Again, I'm not saying that it is not possible. But the evidence so far does not support that claim.
Don't be ignorant.

 
Don't be ignorant.

OK, so what evidence of influence is being shown here? From everything I am seeing, Eric Schwerin only ever actually met Joe at the White House once in 2010 which is the year that he was doing Joe's taxes (kinda seems like a legitimate reason to meet with him). He was also held a position on the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad. So, it's not like he didn't have reasons for being in the White House.

You say that he is selling influence. Please provide the policy decisions that Joe Biden affected (bear in mind, that he would also have to somehow be convincing Obama to do these things) that specifically benefitted Hunter Biden / Eric Schwerin / Joe Biden. The only thing I have seen is an article that said that Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for Hunter’s clients (which, yeah, that sounds bad, but considering the billions upon billions of dollars that the US government spends, that is literally a rounding error percentagewise). Conservatives have been complaining about the millions of dollars that are supposedly being funneled into the Biden's coffers. If 3.4 million is all that they got out of it, then that was not money well spent.
 
OK, so what evidence of influence is being shown here? From everything I am seeing, Eric Schwerin only ever actually met Joe at the White House once in 2010 which is the year that he was doing Joe's taxes (kinda seems like a legitimate reason to meet with him). He was also held a position on the Commission for the Preservation of America’s Heritage Abroad. So, it's not like he didn't have reasons for being in the White House.

You say that he is selling influence. Please provide the policy decisions that Joe Biden affected (bear in mind, that he would also have to somehow be convincing Obama to do these things) that specifically benefitted Hunter Biden / Eric Schwerin / Joe Biden. The only thing I have seen is an article that said that Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks for Hunter’s clients (which, yeah, that sounds bad, but considering the billions upon billions of dollars that the US government spends, that is literally a rounding error percentagewise). Conservatives have been complaining about the millions of dollars that are supposedly being funneled into the Biden's coffers. If 3.4 million is all that they got out of it, then that was not money well spent.
Stop deflecting.

Your post: "Biden was not VP during the alleged "10% to the Big Guy" investment email."

I proved you wrong, It's not up to me to prove influence - it's the FBI's responsibility. I just proved your statement wrong.
 
Stop deflecting.

Your post: "Biden was not VP during the alleged "10% to the Big Guy" investment email."

I proved you wrong, It's not up to me to prove influence - it's the FBI's responsibility. I just proved your statement wrong.
Huh? Your first response was:

"Hunter was selling influence WHILE BIDEN WAS VP. And Biden lied and said he didn't know about it.
I don't give a shit about his taxes - he's not declaring his 10% being held for the Big Guy."

You were implying that Hunter giving 10% of their profit from the CEFC deal to his father was selling influence.

I pointed out that Joe Biden was not vice president at the time of that deal.

So you responded with an article that states that Hunters business partner visited the White House several times while he was still in office. The guy only actually met with Joe Biden once (the same year he was doing Joe's taxes) and had other duties that required him to go to the White House.

How is that proving me wrong? If you want to claim influence, you need some kind of basis for the claim.

For example, IIRC you said here before that you could claim that I could have relations with sheep, and there really wouldn't be any way for me to prove otherwise (I think it was you, if I am confusing you with another, then I apologize). That isn't exactly true though. You need some kind of basis to warrant investigation. Do I have a sheep farm? Have I been ordering anatomically correct sheep costumes from Amazon? Do you have copies of my text messages that are to a blocked number saying "I want you baaaaaaa-ck"? The fact that I went to a pumpkin festival at a local farm with my son 12 years ago and they had an area where you could spend 25 cents to feed the sheep is not proof of bestiality.

If I go into a bathroom at Memorial Stadium and El Chapo takes a dump in the stall next to me, that doesn't make me a drug dealer. If he passes me a package under the wall, then you have a basis for investigation.

You need more that just "this guy visited the White House". Lots and Lots of people travel to the White House every day to do meetings / business. That article "proves" nothing.
 
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Huh? Your first response was:

"Hunter was selling influence WHILE BIDEN WAS VP. And Biden lied and said he didn't know about it.
I don't give a shit about his taxes - he's not declaring his 10% being held for the Big Guy."

You were implying that Hunter giving 10% of their profit from the CEFC deal to his father was selling influence.

I pointed out that Joe Biden was not vice president at the time of that deal.

So you responded with an article that states that Hunters business partner visited the White House several times while he was still in office. The guy only actually met with Joe Biden once (the same year he was doing Joe's taxes) and had other duties that required him to go to the White House.

How is that proving me wrong? If you want to claim influence, you need some kind of basis for the claim.

For example, IIRC you said here before that you could claim that I could have relations with sheep, and there really wouldn't be any way for me to prove otherwise (I think it was you, if I am confusing you with another, then I apologize). That isn't exactly true though. You need some kind of basis to warrant investigation. Do I have a sheep farm? Have I been ordering anatomically correct sheep costumes from Amazon? Do you have copies of my text messages that are to a blocked number saying "I want you baaaaaaa-ck"? The fact that I went to a pumpkin festival at a local farm with my son 12 years ago and they had an area where you could spend 25 cents to feed the sheep is not proof of bestiality.

If I go into a bathroom at Memorial Stadium and El Chapo takes a dump in the stall next to me, that doesn't make me a drug dealer. If he passes me a package under the wall, then you have a basis for investigation.

You need more that just "this guy visited the White House". Lots and Lots of people travel to the White House every day to do meetings / business. That article "proves" nothing.
Are you serious? It proves you wrong because Hunter's business partners were at the White House 27 times while he was VP.

But you think the deal was only after he became VP? lmao

Yeah, this is just like going to the bathroom at the same time..... Biden said he knew nothing about Hunter's business deals. That's obviously a lie, but you can't put 2 and 2 together and get 4.
 
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Are you serious? It proves you wrong because Hunter's business partners were at the White House 27 times while he was VP.

But you think the deal was only after he became VP? lmao

Yeah, this is just like going to the bathroom at the same time..... Biden said he knew nothing about Hunter's business deals. That's obviously a lie, but you can't put 2 and 2 together and get 4.
This is why you people can't have rational discussions. You demand ironclad proof for any claims of shenanigans with your guys, but for the other side you are allowed to read between the lines and "put 2 and 2 together."
 
This is why you people can't have rational discussions. You demand ironclad proof for any claims of shenanigans with your guys, but for the other side you are allowed to read between the lines and "put 2 and 2 together."
What are you babbling about?

No one is 'reading between the lines'. These are facts. Biden said himself he doesn't know anything about Hunter's business and he's meeting with his business partners.

I guess if you choose to think it's purely coincidence, you're free to do so, but your side spent over 4 years and a Special Prosecutor on a helluva lot less. And then it turned out the FBI lied to get FISA warrants.

Yet you see no reason for an investigation after Biden met with Hunter's business partners.

Our side isn't the one that's not allowing rational discussion.
 
What are you babbling about?

No one is 'reading between the lines'. These are facts. Biden said himself he doesn't know anything about Hunter's business and he's meeting with his business partners.

I guess if you choose to think it's purely coincidence, you're free to do so, but your side spent over 4 years and a Special Prosecutor on a helluva lot less. And then it turned out the FBI lied to get FISA warrants.

Yet you see no reason for an investigation after Biden met with Hunter's business partners.

Our side isn't the one that's not allowing rational discussion.
So is this just revenge?
 
This is why you people can't have rational discussions. You demand ironclad proof for any claims of shenanigans with your guys, but for the other side you are allowed to read between the lines and "put 2 and 2 together."
A rational discussion to goat= one he agrees with.
 
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Gee, that doesn't scream totalitarianism, does it?
Aren't the property tax address, assessment, billings, payments and delinquencies (if any) on your $500,000 four-bedroom house in suburbia already public record ?
 
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You're joking, right?
That's how I interpreted your remarks, so no I'm not joking, which is why I asked. I agree Hunter has serious problems, but does that require a congressional enquiry? I will be shocked if he isn't subpoenaed to testify multiple times in the next few years. He's the Billy Carter of this century but without the folksy charm.

I get it you think Joe is on the payroll of China and funneling the money through Hunter and that's what the media you read is telling you.
 
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He's the Billy Carter of this century but without the folksy charm.
WE have live video and pic's of his butthole... That's not his ex wife, it his actual butthole, ankes in the air like a Gyno appointment.
Billy drank and ... well he drank and was stupid with money like his brother but No pic's of orifices.
 
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That's how I interpreted your remarks, so no I'm not joking, which is why I asked. I agree Hunter has serious problems, but does that require a congressional enquiry? I will be shocked if he isn't subpoenaed to testify multiple times in the next few years. He's the Billy Carter of this century but without the folksy charm.

I get it you think Joe is on the payroll of China and funneling the money through Hunter and that's what the media you read is telling you.
The treatment - or non-treatment - of how Hunter should be treated has nothing to do with how Trump was treated.

Trump was found guilty by Dims and sycophant media based on nothing but a lie.

There is damning information about Hunter and the Big Guy the FBI has been sitting on for over 2 years.

Nothing alike.
 
That's how I interpreted your remarks, so no I'm not joking, which is why I asked. I agree Hunter has serious problems, but does that require a congressional enquiry? I will be shocked if he isn't subpoenaed to testify multiple times in the next few years. He's the Billy Carter of this century but without the folksy charm.

I get it you think Joe is on the payroll of China and funneling the money through Hunter and that's what the media you read is telling you.
It would'nt require a congressional inquiry if the FBI, DOJ were actually performing their intended purpose statement, non bias, without allegiance to a political party that Hillary and Nancy owns in plurality.
Hill and Nanc have power becuase they, like the Commanding Sergeant Major, Know where all of the bodies are buried. Knowledge is power. Knowledge of corrupt power is ALL corrupting Trumping power. Especially when you've spent 30-40-50 yrs creating the corrupt power structure. The DC, Is the Kremlin semi light. Only because we own 400 million guns as private citizens. pew pew pew.
 
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It would'nt require a congressional inquiry if the FBI, DOJ were actually performing their intended purpose statement, non bias, without allegiance to a political party that Hillary and Nancy owns in plurality.
Hill and Nanc have power becuase they, like the Commanding Sergeant Major, Know where all of the bodies are buried. Knowledge is power. Knowledge of corrupt power is ALL corrupting Trumping power. Especially when you've spent 30-40-50 yrs creating the corrupt power structure. The DC, Is the Kremlin semi light. Only because we own 400 million guns as private citizens. pew pew pew.
I'm sure we will find out very soon but what if there really is no real evidence and the FBI and DOJ have properly done their job and have brought no charges are we then going to bring anybody before the house just on rumor or inuendo? If so, you are getting into the HUAC type of investigations which were a complete travesty done simply for political gain by a few ambitious politicians. Good old Tail Gunner Joe ruined a lot of lives.
 
I'm sure we will find out very soon but what if there really is no real evidence and the FBI and DOJ have properly done their job and have brought no charges are we then going to bring anybody before the house just on rumor or inuendo? If so, you are getting into the HUAC type of investigations which were a complete travesty done simply for political gain by a few ambitious politicians. Good old Tail Gunner Joe ruined a lot of lives.
Who are you going to believe? The FBI and DOJ who lied to get FISA warrants against Trump?

No thanks.

Either assign a Special Prosecutor or a Jim Jordan-led House investigation.
 
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Who are you going to believe? The FBI and DOJ who lied to get FISA warrants against Trump?

No thanks.

Either assign a Special Prosecutor or a Jim Jordan-led House investigation.
Gym will be heading the investigation along with Gaetz, and MTG-you know they will want to work through the process fairly and reasonably...
 
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but what if there really is no real evidence
Any of us that actually want "Truth", and understand the power of DC, know that the "lack of evidence" is something that a lot of very well trained people have mastered the tools to sway/circumvent the legal definition of evidence. Hell, we've been focusing on professors capable of teaching/ gromming people to find the loop holes that don't prove innocence, but teach finding wrinkles in existing written law.
That person isn't innocent, it's just that no one imagined his level of evil so we haven't put it on paper yet. .... That doesn't meet the intention of the law we laymen intended (and work to live by), and does nothing to answer the "right vrs Wrong" question of the human condition.
As we are right now, there is a two (at least) tiered level of justice system. We are days away from good ole vigilantism.
When you have to have a legal degree, just to learn how to manipulate people to be able to live a free life, away from other freak humans.... The common man life is nothing but a slave to the system that they can not compete in to start with.
 
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So the court refused to stop congress (Ways and Means) from getting the taxes. I still don't think it is a good idea for congress to pursue them, but the case seemed pretty obvious.
 
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So the court refused to stop congress (Ways and Means) from getting the taxes. I still don't think it is a good idea for congress to pursue them, but the case seemed pretty obvious.

Good. The "shoulds" aside, Trump was able to defy unequivocal, black letter law for three years. That couldn't be allowed to stand.

I doubt we'll see anything any time soon, but eventually they will come out. I wonder what's in them that Trump didn't want anyone to see?
 
Who are you going to believe? The FBI and DOJ who lied to get FISA warrants against Trump?

No thanks.

Either assign a Special Prosecutor or a Jim Jordan-led House investigation.
Based on his history, you really think Jim Jordan is an admirable human being?

Just yes or no, please -- no what about Hitler, Darth Vader or Attila the Hun or anyone else.

Based on his history, do you think Jim Jordan is an admirable human being?
 
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Any of us that actually want "Truth", and understand the power of DC, know that the "lack of evidence" is something that a lot of very well trained people have mastered the tools to sway/circumvent the legal definition of evidence. Hell, we've been focusing on professors capable of teaching/ gromming people to find the loop holes that don't prove innocence, but teach finding wrinkles in existing written law.
That person isn't innocent, it's just that no one imagined his level of evil so we haven't put it on paper yet. .... That doesn't meet the intention of the law we laymen intended (and work to live by), and does nothing to answer the "right vrs Wrong" question of the human condition.
As we are right now, there is a two (at least) tiered level of justice system. We are days away from good ole vigilantism.
When you have to have a legal degree, just to learn how to manipulate people to be able to live a free life, away from other freak humans.... The common man life is nothing but a slave to the system that they can not compete in to start with.
Very profound thing you wrote in your post above: "That person isn't innocent, it's just that no one imagined his level of evil so we haven't put it on paper yet."

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