SCOTUS Trump Tax Returns

[i'vegotwinners]

Here's a thought - why not depend on the IRS to judge whether or not there's a problem with their taxes, instead of a bunch of pandering, grandstanding politicians?

Crazy conept, I know.

if Mitch McConnell or Nancy P or Biden or Trump or Alito or Kagan or Pete Butt or Lloyd Austin or anyone else in the positions i listed, gets a few hundred thou from sources that trace back to JP Morgan/Chase or Goldman Sachs or Pfizer or Blue Cross Blue Shield or Raytheon or Lockeed Martin or Mobil Exxon or BP/Amaco or Saudi Arabia or China or Israel or Russia or Bechtel, which they declare and pay taxes on, that might not be an issue to the IRS, being they declared and paid taxes on said gains.

it should though be of huge issue to you or i or the general citizenry, and any business or foreign interests in competition with those entities.

don't you think.

 

[DANC]

if Mitch McConnell or Nancy P or Biden or Trump or Alito or Kagan or Pete Butt or Lloyd Austin or anyone else in the positions i listed, gets a few hundred thou from sources that trace back to JP Morgan/Chase or Goldman Sachs or Pfizer or Blue Cross Blue Shield or Raytheon or Lockeed Martin or Mobil Exxon or BP/Amaco or Saudi Arabia or China or Israel or Russia or Bechtel, which they declare and pay taxes on, that might not be an issue to the IRS, being they declared and paid taxes on said gains.

it should though be of huge issue to you or i or the general citizenry, and any business or foreign interests in competition with those entities.

don't you think.

I believe they have to report any gifts or campaign donations. They can't accept gifts of a "few hundred thou'. And even if they couldn't it wouldn't show up in IRS records.

Let the IRS handle taxes - politicians have no business in anyone's taxes.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I believe they have to report any gifts or campaign donations. They can't accept gifts of a "few hundred thou'. And even if they couldn't it wouldn't show up in IRS records.

Let the IRS handle taxes - politicians have no business in anyone's taxes.

who said anything about gifts or campaign donations?

Hilary got $250,000 a pop multiple times for short talks from Goldman Sachs, between her Sec of State gig and her prez run. (you think she's actually that good a speaker).

Bechtel could offer Pete Butt $750,000 in consulting fees regarding highway construction bidding.

Lloyd Austin could get $750,000 in "consulting fees" each from Northrup Grumman and Raytheon..

or $300,000 a yr from each for serving on their board.

Clarence Thomas could get $200,000 for a speech to an adoption agency or a pediatrics practice..

or Elena Kagan the same for a speech to Planned Parenthood.

China could give "the big guy" his cut of a $1.5 bil investment deal.

Saudi Arabia or Iran could buy $70 mil in condos at premium prices from The Donald, or rent the top floor of a Trump building or hotel for a yr or 4. (or 12).

Ronald Reagan could, (and did), get $1 mil for one speech from Japan. (who benefited greatly from Reagan's trade policies).

laundering bribes through "legit" business arrangements is neither difficult or new.

if declared and taxes paid, the IRS has no issue, regardless of how shady looking.

the source of the "income" isn't the IRS's concern, as long as it's legal.

and quite easy to "legalize" bribery with consulting or real estate purchases or book deals or speeches, (or sales of paintings), or board seats, or 100 other creative ways, all of which are perfectly legal sources of income.

that said, for obvious reasons, politician's and regulator's and Fed judges taxes are absolutely the citizenry's business. thus congress's as well if something doesn't look right..

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Here's a thought - why not depend on the IRS to judge whether or not there's a problem with their taxes, instead of a bunch of pandering, grandstanding politicians?

Crazy concept, I know.

They do, after all, already have his tax returns.... I wonder why they haven't taken action?

 

[zeke4ahs]

Just reading Maggie Halberman’s book. They just got to the tax part. Trump having a discussion talking about how Romney releasing his taxes was a big mistake, because people didn’t like it that he didn’t pay much. His advisors were asking how he’d get around showing his. His response: I’ll just say I’m under audit. Advisors didn’t think he could get away with that. But of course he did.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I believe they have to report any gifts or campaign donations. They can't accept gifts of a "few hundred thou'. And even if they couldn't it wouldn't show up in IRS records.

Let the IRS handle taxes - politicians have no business in anyone's taxes.

The IRS only handles taxes. A person can file taxes with an income line of $1 million for bribes, $1 million for selling military secrets to China, and $1 million in illegal drug sales but if that person has paid the appropriate amount of taxes on that $3 million, the IRS does not care. In fact, it is illegal for the IRS to report any of that to the proper authority without a warrant (or the few other exceptions such as Chair of Ways and Means).

That is the theoretical reason Congress would want the ability to look at tax returns.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Here's a question. When did we come to the idea that someone's tax returns should be private information by default, anyway? I say make all tax returns public.

 

[UncleMark]

Here's a question. When did we come to the idea that someone's tax returns should be private information by default, anyway? I say make all tax returns public.

WAG: It's the only way (or at least a major factor) they can expect people to self report at any level of honesty.

 

[DANC]

They do, after all, already have his tax returns.... I wonder why they haven't taken action?

Because the IRS only looks at legalities. It's politicians who want to grandstand and demagogue.

 

[DANC]

Here's a question. When did we come to the idea that someone's tax returns should be private information by default, anyway? I say make all tax returns public.

Gee, that doesn't scream totalitarianism, does it?

 

[DANC]

The IRS only handles taxes. A person can file taxes with an income line of $1 million for bribes, $1 million for selling military secrets to China, and $1 million in illegal drug sales but if that person has paid the appropriate amount of taxes on that $3 million, the IRS does not care. In fact, it is illegal for the IRS to report any of that to the proper authority without a warrant (or the few other exceptions such as Chair of Ways and Means).

That is the theoretical reason Congress would want the ability to look at tax returns.

Bullshit. Do you think 1099s are issued for bribes or selling military secrets?

I thought you were smarter than this.

 

[DANC]

Just reading Maggie Halberman’s book. They just got to the tax part. Trump having a discussion talking about how Romney releasing his taxes was a big mistake, because people didn’t like it that he didn’t pay much. His advisors were asking how he’d get around showing his. His response: I’ll just say I’m under audit. Advisors didn’t think he could get away with that. But of course he did.

He and his businesses are constantly under audit. He's not making that up.

And it's a valid reason for you to keep your nose out of it.

 

[DANC]

who said anything about gifts or campaign donations?

Hilary got $250,000 a pop multiple times for short talks from Goldman Sachs, between her Sec of State gig and her prez run. (you think she's actually that good a speaker).

Bechtel could offer Pete Butt $750,000 in consulting fees regarding highway construction bidding.

Lloyd Austin could get $750,000 in "consulting fees" each from Northrup Grumman and Raytheon..

or $300,000 a yr from each for serving on their board.

Clarence Thomas could get $200,000 for a speech to an adoption agency or a pediatrics practice..

or Elena Kagan the same for a speech to Planned Parenthood.

China could give "the big guy" his cut of a $1.5 bil investment deal.

Saudi Arabia or Iran could buy $70 mil in condos at premium prices from The Donald, or rent the top floor of a Trump building or hotel for a yr or 4. (or 12).

Ronald Reagan could, (and did), get $1 mil for one speech from Japan. (who benefited greatly from Reagan's trade policies).

laundering bribes through "legit" business arrangements is neither difficult or new.

if declared and taxes paid, the IRS has no issue, regardless of how shady looking.

the source of the "income" isn't the IRS's concern, as long as it's legal.

and quite easy to "legalize" bribery with consulting or real estate purchases or book deals or speeches, (or sales of paintings), or board seats, or 100 other creative ways, all of which are perfectly legal sources of income.

that said, for obvious reasons, politician's and regulator's and Fed judges taxes are absolutely the citizenry's business. thus congress's as well if something doesn't look right..

TB;DR

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

At this point, the DNC should all be getting this. It's obvious they lay in bed and dream of him. The Trump stamp.

 

[zeke4ahs]

He and his businesses are constantly under audit. He's not making that up.

And it's a valid reason for you to keep your nose out of it.

Haha. Sure thing. Not a thing wrong, that’s why he’s so worried about people seeing them. Duped.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Gee, that doesn't scream totalitarianism, does it?

No, it doesn't. Good eye.

 

[DANC]

No, it doesn't. Good eye.

Yes, it's always a great idea for the government to distribute personal information.

You'd have made a great Pioneer.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Yes, it's always a great idea for the government to distribute personal information.

You'd have made a great Pioneer.

Well, depending on where you live, there's a good chance I can go online right now and look up how much your house is worth, when you bought it, and what your property tax bill is. Why should your income be any different?

 

[DANC]

Well, depending on where you live, there's a good chance I can go online right now and look up how much your house is worth, when you bought it, and what your property tax bill is. Why should your income be any different?

It's not just income, What right do you have to know what deductions I take?

Whatever happened to your vaunted 'right to privacy'?

For the record, I don't agree with property tax bills being public knowledge, either.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It's not just income, What right do you have to know what deductions I take?

Whatever happened to your vaunted 'right to privacy'?

For the record, I don't agree with property tax bills being public knowledge, either.

I'm not saying I have the right. Just asking the question.

If you want a true lefty answer to get a rage boner over, though, the answer would be this: the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

 

[UncleMark]

If you want a true lefty answer to get a rage boner over, though, the answer would be this: the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

Even at that, it's only part of the story. Nothing in my income tax return reflects my total net worth -- which ain't shit, but I shouldn't have to worry about being destitute in my old age.

 

[DANC]

I'm not saying I have the right. Just asking the question.

If you want a true lefty answer to get a rage boner over, though, the answer would be this: the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

I'm not interested any giving anyone a raging boner.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

#snap screenshot.

Thanks man.

 

[DANC]

I'm not saying I have the right. Just asking the question.

If you want a true lefty answer to get a rage boner over, though, the answer would be this: the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

Revolution? Don't let the J6 committee hear you talk like that.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

At this point, the DNC should all be getting this. It's obvious they lay in bed and dream of him. The Trump stamp.

I’d guess that’s dbm’s back.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I'm not saying I have the right. Just asking the question.

If you want a true lefty answer to get a rage boner over, though, the answer would be this: the more the masses know about the finances of the elites, the faster the revolution arrives.

I lol’ed at “rage boner”.

 

[Sope Creek]

Even at that, it's only part of the story. Nothing in my income tax return reflects my total net worth -- which ain't shit, but I shouldn't have to worry about being destitute in my old age.

How much of your income is based on assets you own?

How much of Trump's income is allegedly based on assets he owns?

You just ain't an example that applies, Mark.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Even at that, it's only part of the story. Nothing in my income tax return reflects my total net worth -- which ain't shit, but I shouldn't have to worry about being destitute in my old age.

Don't worry: the Party will take care of you!

 

[UncleMark]

How much of your income is based on assets you own?

How much of Trump's income is allegedly based on assets he owns?

You just ain't an example that applies, Mark.

Of course. Just a ham fisted attempt to point out that income isn't necessarily a good way to determine financial well being

 

[SqueakyClean]

How much of your income is based on assets you own?

How much of Trump's income is allegedly based on assets he owns?

You just ain't an example that applies, Mark.

True, but he's not running for high office either. Is this a "With great power comes great responsibility" type situation? Do the American people have a right to know your financial entanglements when you are going to be making potential decisions that are going to be affecting their financial future?
I honestly don't know. In order to be eligible for one of the more important jobs in the country should you be willing to give up a touch of your financial priracy?

 

[DANC]

True, but he's not running for high office either. Is this a "With great power comes great responsibility" type situation? Do the American people have a right to know your financial entanglements when you are going to be making potential decisions that are going to be affecting their financial future?
I honestly don't know. In order to be eligible for one of the more important jobs in the country should you be willing to give up a touch of your financial priracy?

Kind of like Hunter selling influence when his dad is VP?

 

[stollcpa]

Haha. Sure thing. Not a thing wrong, that’s why he’s so worried about people seeing them. Duped.

The IRS is a worry anytime you’re under audit. That’s all that Trump should be worried about.

You folks wanting to play politics with his returns can F off. You have no right to see his returns nor any one else’s returns.

 

[UncleMark]

The IRS is a worry anytime you’re under audit. That’s all that Trump should be worried about.

You folks wanting to play politics with his returns can F off. You have no right to see his returns nor any one else’s returns.

I'd love to see them made public, but that's not the issue. It's black letter law that they SHALL be given to the chair of the oversight committee. Is Trump above the law?

 

[vesuvius13]

Did the person leaking the return break the law?

Whoever leaked the return did break the law.

 

[stollcpa]

I'd love to see them made public, but that's not the issue. It's black letter law that they SHALL be given to the chair of the oversight committee. Is Trump above the law?

I guess SCOTUS will decide. What are they overseeing on Trumps returns that IRS is auditing? We all know there’s no reason other than politics.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I'd love to see them made public, but that's not the issue. It's black letter law that they SHALL be given to the chair of the oversight committee. Is Trump above the law?

Anytime someone tries to hold Trump accountable for his actions, stoll and company want to pretend it is just a political witch hunt.

Every president until Trump released their taxes. Why not Trump? Maybe because he had something to hide

 

[UncleMark]

I guess SCOTUS will decide. What are they overseeing on Trumps returns that IRS is auditing? We all know there’s no reason other than politics.

Of course it's political. As was Benghazi, and as Jim Jordan's "investigations" will be. Do you want the SCOTUS second guessing his motives?

 

[hoosboot]

I'm not interested any giving anyone a raging boner.

Ask not to whom the rage boner is given, for the rage boner is thine. 🤣

 

[SqueakyClean]

Kind of like Hunter selling influence when his dad is VP?

Hunter is running for higher office? Damn, I missed the announcement.

 

[DANC]

Of course it's political. As was Benghazi, and as Jim Jordan's "investigations" will be. Do you want the SCOTUS second guessing his motives?

A US Ambassador and US security personnel were killed in Benghazi during a time the administration said was not going to be affected by the 9/11 anniversary.

There's one helluva difference between that and Trump's tax returns.