SCOTUS ruling VA

[stollcpa]

Common sense wins.

Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia

Virginia can cancel more than 1,600 voter registrations the state claims are held by noncitizens in advance of next week’s election, the Supreme Court ruled Wednesday. The emergency decision marks …

thehill.com

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

 

[stollcpa]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

I think that the core issue here is conflict (specifically, a timing conflict) between the state law utilized by Youngkin and a related federal statute that proscribes a different timeline.

I can't say I've taken much time in getting super familiar with the details. But, if that's the case, then I don't think this is a case of the DOJ just brazenly trying to make it possible for non-citizens to vote. And it's being cast that way.

Personally, I think what a state should do in a situation like (although VA's law may not allow for this) is to just accept provisional ballots from anybody in question. That gives the state more time to properly vet them and determine if they are or aren't eligible. If they're eligible, count it and take steps to ensure they aren't back on a list subject to being culled from the registry...if they aren't, toss it and then get them off the rolls.

 

[UncleMark]

Common sense wins.

Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia

Virginia can cancel more than 1,600 voter registrations the state claims are held by noncitizens in advance of next week’s election, the Supreme Court ruled Wednesday. The emergency decision marks …

thehill.com

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

 

[DANC]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

I'm sure they're on speed dial. I don't think they want this to be 2020 again.

 

[DANC]

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

Virginia did follow the federal statute. There is no systemic cleaning of voter registrations.

 

[DANC]

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

There's only one Party that doesn't care if non-citizens vote.

 

[DANC]

I think that the core issue here is conflict (specifically, a timing conflict) between the state law utilized by Youngkin and a related federal statute that proscribes a different timeline.

I can't say I've taken much time in getting super familiar with the details. But, if that's the case, then I don't think this is a case of the DOJ just brazenly trying to make it possible for non-citizens to vote. And it's being cast that way.

Personally, I think what a state should do in a situation like (although VA's law may not allow for this) is to just accept provisional ballots from anybody in question. That gives the state more time to properly vet them and determine if they are or aren't eligible. If they're eligible, count it and take steps to ensure they aren't back on a list subject to being culled from the registry...if they aren't, toss it and then get them off the rolls.

Why didn't the DoJ care about it from 2009, when the Virginia law was put into effect - and used - until now?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Virginia did follow the federal statute. There is no systemic cleaning of voter registrations.

How did it fail being systemic?

 

[IUNorth]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now? Or is it just cool in this situation? Its tiring keeping up with all this. And this is another area that shouldn't be a GOP/DNC issue. Voting should be accessible, encouraged, fair, and regulated and verifiable. And that should be the case equally in rural Texas as it is in downtown Detroit. The efforts on both sides to change districts, make certain ways to vote easier and/or more difficult, discredit legitimate and verifiable votes...its ridiculous.

Maybe Elon Musk and Bill Gates could put their brilliant minds together and come up with a new system that accomplishes all this...

 

[DANC]

How did it fail being systemic?

You asking me to prove it wasn't?

It's up to the DoJ to prove it was - and they failed.

 

[DANC]

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now? Or is it just cool in this situation? Its tiring keeping up with all this. And this is another area that shouldn't be a GOP/DNC issue. Voting should be accessible, encouraged, fair, and regulated and verifiable. And that should be the case equally in rural Texas as it is in downtown Detroit. The efforts on both sides to change districts, make certain ways to vote easier and/or more difficult, discredit legitimate and verifiable votes...its ridiculous.

Maybe Elon Musk and Bill Gates could put their brilliant minds together and come up with a new system that accomplishes all this...

What? The DoJ is the one who interfered in a state election.

The SC isn't the 'Federal level' - it's the law of the land.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

I'd say that both parties have a legitimate interest here -- VA in ensuring the people who aren't eligible to vote aren't able to vote....the DOJ in ensuring that people who are eligible to vote are able to vote (and have it counted along with all the rest).

Considering that we aren't talking about tens of thousands of voters, it doesn't seem super difficult to me to come up with a solution that satisfies both of those.

Beyond that, I'd say that VA needs to get their own law in harmony with the federal statute.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now?

For better or worse, the Constitution empowers both the states and Congress when it comes to elections. It's not all one or the other.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Why didn't the DoJ care about it from 2009, when the Virginia law was put into effect - and used - until now?

There’s also only party who tried to overturn a valid election with a 3rd world state coup. Tomato tomata

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

No you wouldnt. lol

 

[Lucy01]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

This is a biased BS post!

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

No you wouldnt. lol

I truly would

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You asking me to prove it wasn't?

It's up to the DoJ to prove it was - and they failed.

I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

 

[DANC]

There’s also only party who tried to overturn a valid election with a 3rd world state coup. Tomato tomata

You still clinging to that fantasy?

 

[BradStevens]

I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

I don’t know anything about the opinion or the issue.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I don’t know anything about the opinion or the issue.

Ahem, this is the intenet, why would not knowing anything matter?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Ahem, this is the intenet, why would not knowing anything matter?

I don’t either Marv. You know coh will tho!!

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

You still clinging to that fantasy?

More like an embarrassing nightmare

 

[DANC]

More like an embarrassing nightmare

Either way, i'ts only in your dreams.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I don’t either Marv. You know coh will tho!!

Maybe @Mark Milton would know what made the Virginia removal of voters non-systemic. He is the type to actually read the book club readings. As embarrassing as that fact is, it might mean something here.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Maybe @Mark Milton would know what made the Virginia removal of voters non-systemic. He is the type to actually read the book club readings. As embarrassing as that fact is, it might mean something here.

We don't even know if it is non-stsyemic. Scotus issued an unsigned order with no explanatory text. Anyone who claims they know why they ruled as they did is speculating.

 

[Mark Milton]

Maybe @Mark Milton would know what made the Virginia removal of voters non-systemic. He is the type to actually read the book club readings. As embarrassing as that fact is, it might mean something here.

Not really sure. The only thing I can think of is that in Georgia they did an audit of 8 million registered voters and found out that only 20 were registered non-citizens. I also think Virginia gives people who are removed from the voter role to register in person. Maybe that turned out to be an example of how it couldn’t be non-systemic?

It’s too bad the Supreme Court didn’t issue even just a baby opinion. Especially after reversing the court of appeals.

Haven’t been paying much attention to the news the last week and a half, I have had my fill until post election day. And yes, I do read all the book club books. Well, I take that back, I tried to read Faulkner, but he was dog shit boring

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Mark M and Goat may have hit on the important part, without a ruling we don't know what they decided. Maybe systemic is the wrong dog.

But it is clear there were errors:

The advocacy groups quoted Prince William County Registrar Eric Olsen, who said at an election board meeting Sept. 30 that his office reviewed 162 people listed as noncitizens in the state’s computer system and found that 43 had voted before. But his office checked and found that all 43 had verified their citizenship − some as many as five times − but were still dropped from voter rolls.​

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A Trump supporter who was purged from the rolls told Cardinal News that he suspects he forgot to mark his citizenship status on the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles form when he renewed his driver’s license.​

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Another voter, who showed NPR her passport, said she doesn’t know why the DMV incorrectly recorded her as a noncitizen.​

Supreme Court lets Virginia resume its purge of voter rolls before the election

Over the objection of the three liberal justices, the Supreme Court allowed Virginia to continue purging people from its voter rolls.

www.usatoday.com

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

Given that Virginia is very unlikely to be pivotal to the outcome, I honestly don’t know why people are so animated by this…either way.

Yes, eligible voters should be able to vote. No, ineligible voters should not be able to vote. And I genuinely want to see both of those things happen.

But let’s not approach Virginia like it’s going to be Florida 2000. This issue isn’t going to have any impact on the outcome of the election.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Given that Virginia is very unlikely to be pivotal to the outcome, I honestly don’t know why people are so animated by this…either way.

Yes, eligible voters should be able to vote. No, ineligible voters should not be able to vote. And I genuinely want to see both of those things happen.

But let’s not approach Virginia like it’s going to be Florida 2000. This issue isn’t going to have any impact on the outcome of the election.

I think that is what makes it a good case to discuss, there is no need to slap on the team jersey. But, fearfully, I suspect there is a lot of interest in both sides to use any case for the future where it does matter.