SCOTUS ruling VA

[stollcpa]

Common sense wins.

Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia

Virginia can cancel more than 1,600 voter registrations the state claims are held by noncitizens in advance of next week’s election, the Supreme Court ruled Wednesday. The emergency decision marks …

thehill.com

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

 

[stollcpa]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

I think that the core issue here is conflict (specifically, a timing conflict) between the state law utilized by Youngkin and a related federal statute that proscribes a different timeline.

I can't say I've taken much time in getting super familiar with the details. But, if that's the case, then I don't think this is a case of the DOJ just brazenly trying to make it possible for non-citizens to vote. And it's being cast that way.

Personally, I think what a state should do in a situation like (although VA's law may not allow for this) is to just accept provisional ballots from anybody in question. That gives the state more time to properly vet them and determine if they are or aren't eligible. If they're eligible, count it and take steps to ensure they aren't back on a list subject to being culled from the registry...if they aren't, toss it and then get them off the rolls.

 

[UncleMark]

Common sense wins.

Supreme Court reinstates Youngkin’s voter purge order in Virginia

Virginia can cancel more than 1,600 voter registrations the state claims are held by noncitizens in advance of next week’s election, the Supreme Court ruled Wednesday. The emergency decision marks …

thehill.com

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

 

[DANC]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

I'm sure they're on speed dial. I don't think they want this to be 2020 again.

 

[DANC]

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

Virginia did follow the federal statute. There is no systemic cleaning of voter registrations.

 

[DANC]

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

There's only one Party that doesn't care if non-citizens vote.

 

[DANC]

I think that the core issue here is conflict (specifically, a timing conflict) between the state law utilized by Youngkin and a related federal statute that proscribes a different timeline.

I can't say I've taken much time in getting super familiar with the details. But, if that's the case, then I don't think this is a case of the DOJ just brazenly trying to make it possible for non-citizens to vote. And it's being cast that way.

Personally, I think what a state should do in a situation like (although VA's law may not allow for this) is to just accept provisional ballots from anybody in question. That gives the state more time to properly vet them and determine if they are or aren't eligible. If they're eligible, count it and take steps to ensure they aren't back on a list subject to being culled from the registry...if they aren't, toss it and then get them off the rolls.

Why didn't the DoJ care about it from 2009, when the Virginia law was put into effect - and used - until now?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Virginia did follow the federal statute. There is no systemic cleaning of voter registrations.

How did it fail being systemic?

 

[IUNorth]

It shouldn’t have ever had to go to SCOTUS. Thank our biased DOJ.

SCOTUS should be available the next two weeks to handle directly every election interference the Dems try.

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now? Or is it just cool in this situation? Its tiring keeping up with all this. And this is another area that shouldn't be a GOP/DNC issue. Voting should be accessible, encouraged, fair, and regulated and verifiable. And that should be the case equally in rural Texas as it is in downtown Detroit. The efforts on both sides to change districts, make certain ways to vote easier and/or more difficult, discredit legitimate and verifiable votes...its ridiculous.

Maybe Elon Musk and Bill Gates could put their brilliant minds together and come up with a new system that accomplishes all this...

 

[DANC]

How did it fail being systemic?

You asking me to prove it wasn't?

It's up to the DoJ to prove it was - and they failed.

 

[DANC]

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now? Or is it just cool in this situation? Its tiring keeping up with all this. And this is another area that shouldn't be a GOP/DNC issue. Voting should be accessible, encouraged, fair, and regulated and verifiable. And that should be the case equally in rural Texas as it is in downtown Detroit. The efforts on both sides to change districts, make certain ways to vote easier and/or more difficult, discredit legitimate and verifiable votes...its ridiculous.

Maybe Elon Musk and Bill Gates could put their brilliant minds together and come up with a new system that accomplishes all this...

What? The DoJ is the one who interfered in a state election.

The SC isn't the 'Federal level' - it's the law of the land.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I'd like to see the rationale for not following the federal statute.

I'd say that both parties have a legitimate interest here -- VA in ensuring the people who aren't eligible to vote aren't able to vote....the DOJ in ensuring that people who are eligible to vote are able to vote (and have it counted along with all the rest).

Considering that we aren't talking about tens of thousands of voters, it doesn't seem super difficult to me to come up with a solution that satisfies both of those.

Beyond that, I'd say that VA needs to get their own law in harmony with the federal statute.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

So oversight at the Federal level is cool now?

For better or worse, the Constitution empowers both the states and Congress when it comes to elections. It's not all one or the other.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Why didn't the DoJ care about it from 2009, when the Virginia law was put into effect - and used - until now?

There’s also only party who tried to overturn a valid election with a 3rd world state coup. Tomato tomata

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

Yet another reason the 2 party system is broken. Both are now going to exploit every opportunity to cancel valid votes. Absolutely disgusting. I would vote for a good valid 3rd party of the platform was powering cars with rodent carcasses at this point

No you wouldnt. lol

 

[Lucy01]

Same-day registration is probably what saved this.

People mismark forms all the time, insurance forms, tax forms, and license forms. It happens, and I bet every one of us has done it. Removing someone's right to vote because they marked a form incorrectly isn't the greatest idea immediately before an election. But with same-day registration in VA, if that happened, there is recourse.

This is a biased BS post!

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

No you wouldnt. lol

I truly would

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You asking me to prove it wasn't?

It's up to the DoJ to prove it was - and they failed.

I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

 

[DANC]

There’s also only party who tried to overturn a valid election with a 3rd world state coup. Tomato tomata

You still clinging to that fantasy?

 

[BradStevens]

I'm not critical of the ruling, I don't know what the definition is for systemic. It might be it impacts the entire body, which would mean one could not review all voting records. But could one review all but those with last names beginning with X, would that be systemic?

Another definition is planned and orderly. I doubt VA argued this was unplanned and disorderly so that probably isn't what is meant.

But many have said this was an easy ruling, if it was so easy they must know how it failed to be systemic. Is there a percentage of records that must have been involved? Maybe @BradStevens or @mcmurtry66 know. CO and I just agreed on something so I don't want to lose this feeling of camaraderie by asking him.

I don’t know anything about the opinion or the issue.