Maybe even worse? Pearl wasn't in an active, close quarters war at the time, right? This just looks silly, even to a shelby loving Gravy Seal.
Russia-Ukraine war has begun
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I've been thinking of changing my handle to secondary explosion.
I think there is a place for a short fat redneck in Ukraine to help support the pORC bbq.
Gotta keep pushing. Once Novoprokovika is taken, Tomak is in the sights! They've taken Robotyne deep enough and then made the breach wide enough to not worry about a serious flank move. Slava Ukraine !
$500 drones with MPG's electrical (zipptie) tied to them beats $250,000,000 tank over 4,500 x SO FAR, check back tomorrow for updated results.
I like the remote controlled mine sweeper. Pretty cool
YOu could make 10 million of those, give your 10 Yr old kid and his buddies, a Pirvitin and 14 controllers. Mines cleared in 38 hours. done, next. ?
https://www.understandingwar.org/ba...fensive-campaign-assessment-september-15-2023
How does one run a war wading through a sea of lies. A Duma deputy has more political cover than your ‘run of the mill‘ Lt General.
Russian State Duma Deputy and former Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District (SMD) Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev complained about lying within the Russian military and highlighted the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defenses against Russian helicopters. Gurulev published a Telegram message on September 15 largely reiterating known Russian challenges, though with several notable points. Gurulev complained that the culture of lying in the Russian military is the main issue preventing a Russian victory in Ukraine and claimed that false reports are leading to poor decision-making at many levels within the Russian military.[4] Gurulev also stated that Ukrainian air defenses at the front are effective against Russian helicopters and are preventing Russian helicopters from using previously highly effective anti-tank missiles, and he reiterated common complaints about Ukraine’s ability to conduct drone strikes on Russian rear areas and insufficient Russian counterbattery capabilities.[5] Gurulev is notable for having previously leaked the audio message of former Commander of the 58th Combined Arms Army (SMD) Major General Ivan Popov’s grievances over the lack of support for Russian forces on July 12, and Gurulev‘s likely senior ties with the SMD lend weight to his complaints.[6]
Ukrainian forces conducted naval drone strikes on Russian ships in the Black Sea on September 14.[7] Ukrainian Stategic Command reported that Ukrainian forces caused unspecified damaged to two Russian “Vasily Bykov” Project 22160-class patrol ships in the southwestern Black Sea on September 14.[8] The Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed two Ukrainian naval drones in this area.[9] Ukrainian newspaper Ukrainskaya Pravda reported that sources in the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) stated that a Ukrainian naval drone significantly damaged a Russian Bora-class corvette near the entrance to Sevastopol Bay on September 14 but the Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed a Ukrainian naval drone and repelled the attack.[10] A Russian source claimed that the corvette was not visibly damaged.[11]
How does one run a war wading through a sea of lies. A Duma deputy has more political cover than your ‘run of the mill‘ Lt General.
Russian State Duma Deputy and former Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District (SMD) Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev complained about lying within the Russian military and highlighted the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defenses against Russian helicopters. Gurulev published a Telegram message on September 15 largely reiterating known Russian challenges, though with several notable points. Gurulev complained that the culture of lying in the Russian military is the main issue preventing a Russian victory in Ukraine and claimed that false reports are leading to poor decision-making at many levels within the Russian military.[4] Gurulev also stated that Ukrainian air defenses at the front are effective against Russian helicopters and are preventing Russian helicopters from using previously highly effective anti-tank missiles, and he reiterated common complaints about Ukraine’s ability to conduct drone strikes on Russian rear areas and insufficient Russian counterbattery capabilities.[5] Gurulev is notable for having previously leaked the audio message of former Commander of the 58th Combined Arms Army (SMD) Major General Ivan Popov’s grievances over the lack of support for Russian forces on July 12, and Gurulev‘s likely senior ties with the SMD lend weight to his complaints.[6]
Ukrainian forces conducted naval drone strikes on Russian ships in the Black Sea on September 14.[7] Ukrainian Stategic Command reported that Ukrainian forces caused unspecified damaged to two Russian “Vasily Bykov” Project 22160-class patrol ships in the southwestern Black Sea on September 14.[8] The Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed two Ukrainian naval drones in this area.[9] Ukrainian newspaper Ukrainskaya Pravda reported that sources in the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) stated that a Ukrainian naval drone significantly damaged a Russian Bora-class corvette near the entrance to Sevastopol Bay on September 14 but the Russian MoD claimed that Russian Black Sea Fleet forces destroyed a Ukrainian naval drone and repelled the attack.[10] A Russian source claimed that the corvette was not visibly damaged.[11]
Not as important as interdicting the east-west logistic lines to the south of Robotyne, which would starve all the positions to the west of Robotyne and make their continued occupation untenable in the long run. If successful, Russia could be forced to supply Crimea by sea … until the bridge gets fixed.
ISW didn’t report a big incursion leveraging the rail line. The key rail junction from Russia to Crimea and other points west appears to be over 100km away, principally to the east, well out of 155 Howitzer range (about 25 km),
The lying is an issue with all autocratic regimes. Nobody wants to be the bearer of bad news for fear of getting the blame (and the subsequent falling out of a window "accident"). Autocratic regimes have an aversion to the truth.
Never forget those who fight all powers that try to remove their freedoms. Never underestimate the will to win, just because you may be initially over powered.
Not only autocratic regimes. I lived through Viet Nam and know how much lying a democracy can do.
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- Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer. Geolocated footage posted on September 21 indicates that Ukrainian armored vehicles advanced south of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth obstacles that are part of a tri-layered defense and engaged in limited combat immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv).[1] It is unclear if Ukrainian forces retain these positions, however. This is the first observed instance of Ukrainian forces operating armored vehicles beyond the Russian tri-layer defense.[2] The presence of Ukrainian armored vehicles beyond the final line of the current Russian defensive layer indicates that the Ukrainians have secured their breach of the first two lines of this layer sufficiently to operate vehicles through the breach. Ukrainian forces have likely suppressed Russian artillery and other anti-tank systems in the area enough to bring their vehicles forward.[3] The Ukrainian ability to bring armored vehicles to and through the most formidable Russian defenses intended to stop them and to operate these vehicles near prepared Russian defensive positions are important signs of progress in the Ukrainian counteroffensive.[4] Additional geolocated footage published on September 20 and 21 indicates that Ukrainian forces also advanced west and southwest of Verbove.[5]
- Russian forces currently defending in western Zaporizhia Oblast have been unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from making gradual but steady advances since mid-August.
- https://www.understandingwar.org/ba...fensive-campaign-assessment-september-21-2023
Yes Gen. Westmoreland made lots of pronouncements of American successes, questioned today.
The So. Vietnamese army didn’t fold as fast as the Afghanistan army … but fold they did.
Then there is the matter of why, really, did America need to be there. Starting with JFK.
All part of stop Communism Domino strategy at the time. Communism was on the move and taking over countries and we were determined to stop it there. So we propped up a regime and made up the Tonkin Gulf situation to justify war there.
The irony is that Ho Chi Minh was seeking American help after WWII and we didn't respond, so he turned to Russia. In fairness, it was hard to know who was the good guys back then.
We sold out Ho for France after WW2.
Yep but we didn't trust Ho enough to not embrace Communism. He was a Marxist, bur in fairness, most of those revolutionary nationalists were Marxists and encouraged by the Soviet Union.
So next week the M1 arrives. I would call that slow walking. In Sept 1991 I attended the Reserve Component Tank Commanders course in Bosie Idaho. Best training, I ever had in 28 years of soldering. Two weeks of intensive M1 tank training after being reclassed from Infantry and we were down range. Can someone explain how we are going to defend the delay in the future. What is the good reason for slow walking the F16?
We’re sending long range surface to surface missiles with cluster munitions instead, that wouldn’t make it to Moscow. But they would wreak havoc on a rear area supply dump.
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I am not advocating below, just mentioning ideas.
1) frog in pot. Russia may have viewed a sudden appearance of F16s, M1s, enhanced artillery and missiles arriving day 1 as an existential threat. By slowly bringing them to a boil, Russia doesn't see the need to go to a total war.
2) filet mignon. If I have $30 to buy a starving friend food, buying a filet mignon may make their taste buds happy but doesn't help them for very long. Ukraine needed guns, ammo, artillery, missile defense, heck even uniforms, radar, radios, right away. Once we provide an F16, it is going to cost a lot in spare parts (and training) to keep it flying. That will be aid not going to those other essentials. So until they had enough of the every day items, F16s were a luxury not a necessity.
https://www.understandingwar.org/ba...fensive-campaign-assessment-september-24-2023
New ISW maps zoom in on the recent advances not clear on prior maps.
Verbove sits in a valley between two ridges that run east and west.
Getting to the east of Verbove opens up a southern avenue that threatens railroad and road supply lines to Kherson and Crimea. (As reported by The Guardian in a prior post).
Getting past the fixed defenses should permit more maneuver. Cutting these supply lines will make winter in Crimea a tough affair. Recent attacks on the Sevestapol Black Sea Naval Base (reported by ISW on Sept 22) would appear to make supply by sea a risky affair.
New ISW maps zoom in on the recent advances not clear on prior maps.
Verbove sits in a valley between two ridges that run east and west.
Getting to the east of Verbove opens up a southern avenue that threatens railroad and road supply lines to Kherson and Crimea. (As reported by The Guardian in a prior post).
Getting past the fixed defenses should permit more maneuver. Cutting these supply lines will make winter in Crimea a tough affair. Recent attacks on the Sevestapol Black Sea Naval Base (reported by ISW on Sept 22) would appear to make supply by sea a risky affair.
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One thing that strikes me looking at the ISW maps is how devoid the hilltops are of fixed installations.
WW2, Korea, and Viet Nam are rife with stories of taking and holding hilltops. Then again it’s hard to dig a foxhole on a rocky ridge top.
WW2, Korea, and Viet Nam are rife with stories of taking and holding hilltops. Then again it’s hard to dig a foxhole on a rocky ridge top.
Okay, so we are watching $500 home drones change warfare as we know it. Go over to Youtube and check out the X35, the comments and the rabbit hole that can take you down. Shit that we obviously have had for years. Airplanes with no control surfaces. ... We very well may have warp drive and just don't know it yet.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/it’s-time-west-embrace-ukraine’s-way-war-not-doubt-it
Interesting essay from Gen. Jack Keane’s ISW charges.
Fits the fact pattern on the ground … small unit targets require precision artillery strikes …
Carpet bombing them with massed artillery exposes the artillery to counter battery fire …
And depletes artillery rounds,
It’s timing is perhaps piling on … waiting for success first.
Interesting essay from Gen. Jack Keane’s ISW charges.
Fits the fact pattern on the ground … small unit targets require precision artillery strikes …
Carpet bombing them with massed artillery exposes the artillery to counter battery fire …
And depletes artillery rounds,
It’s timing is perhaps piling on … waiting for success first.
Tyson won most of his fights because he didn't let his opponent rest or regroup. Once they were showing signs of being on their back foot, you kill. Russia just moved, what were supposed to be December released reinforcements for rear activities to the front line. Their next wave of conscripts are not due out of "training" until April.
Today is kill time and I hope the west applies the tools NOW! You can rest after you send the orcs to the BBQ.
Do you think that 10 of them is anything more than an experiment, from our side? Seems like a slap in the face to me, although if I am Ukraine I want every ounce of fire power I can possible get.
10, after this much time, has me questioning if the amount of personnel pulled out of the fight, for training and logistics hurt more than gain....... for 10 weapons platforms.
Abrams are supposed to be good, but they are not Fat man or Little boy.
I read it as the first 10 of a total of 31.
31 tanks provides two armored companies.
10 would serve 2 platoons and HQ.
