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I don't think Westrook is a factor in Billy D. Their best player left for the team they should have beat. Certainlky he felt they they could beat them but I think grew tired of watching Westbrook inefficient meltdowns in crunchtime over the years. I wonder how coaching him feels.
Westbrook is under contract next season and has a player option for 30 mil in 2018-19. I doubt he will be leaving after this season. The trade deadline in the 2017-18 season before his player option summer could be realistic if they fail to start a move back up the standings. Billy D may see the writing on the wall.
The real question is does he want to leave the NBA to return to the NCAA and do it for IU. He can coach out his contract in the NBA and other jobs like Syracuse, UNC and Duke may come open not long after IU if it in fact does open up. Probably another reason IU needs to react quick. They don't need to be looking for a new coach when Boeheim, Roy or K have decided to go to the TV booth.
I think San Diego St. is the place for Crean. Next year will be the last year on fishers contract. Crean could get real tans in southern Cal.
Westbrook is under contract next season and has a player option for 30 mil in 2018-19. I doubt he will be leaving after this season. The trade deadline in the 2017-18 season before his player option summer could be realistic if they fail to start a move back up the standings. Billy D may see the writing on the wall.
The real question is does he want to leave the NBA to return to the NCAA and do it for IU. He can coach out his contract in the NBA and other jobs like Syracuse, UNC and Duke may come open not long after IU if it in fact does open up. Probably another reason IU needs to react quick. They don't need to be looking for a new coach when Boeheim, Roy or K have decided to go to the TV booth.
I think San Diego St. is the place for Crean. Next year will be the last year on fishers contract. Crean could get real tans in southern Cal.
Yea, going forward but we weren't playing well before OG's injury. Plus JB will be back. Unless someone has heard he's OFS, I haven't.
Ok - I just read what was said differently. My apologies.
Still, I don't see how Glass can keep Crean. As in 2014, this team has talent. But, much like then, they are underperforming drastically. And it's the same song-and-dance: poor defense, careless turnovers.
If people think the state of fan unrest is horrible now, just wait to see it if Crean is retained. It will get ugly.
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It is not "very real."
Before the season, everyone said this was Crean's deepest team ever. He actually had 11 guys that could play (12 if you count McRoberts who has seen quite a bit of time).
Take 3 guys off that team and he still has more talent than most teams.
Plus, with only Hartman gone, the team still looked awful most of the time.
Sister Mary of the Blind.
Maybe Crean was playing all those cupcakes to see what school he'd like best after leaving IU.
(fingers crossed)
You have to be the basketball coach to watch baseball?
It's not going to be his choice
I agree, it won't be his choice. But Riley still likes him, presumably. so may be a factor in getting him to leave.
Haven't had Hartman all year was your key statement even though you didn't realize it.
Was preseason top 15 and beat KU and UNC without Hartman.
Why do all these Purdue people want Crean to stay? Think hard....
To me his injury is irrelevant. So color me lost on your response.
That is correct. That should show you what preseason rankings substantiate. They might've taken into their equation Hartman not being available, but they didn't take into the equation, that Blackmon, Johnson, and Morgan were all coming off end of the season ending surgeries (Blackmon's prior to the start of last season's start of the Big 10 season. and could not of resume full basketball capabilities until the end of the summer. On top of this, both Davis and the JUCO arrived at Indiana at the end of the summer and missed all of the summer basketball activities. Hartman is probably the most underappreciated basketball player to play at IU in a long time, he rebounded, played defense, took charges , played hurt and was dangerous from the three-point line.
As far as the Purdue people I don't know, maybe ignorance, as Painter is never taken a team to the final four!
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And Indiana is the only team in the nation that has injuries?
Excuses are easy to find if you look hard enough.
So let me guess, you think Crean should stay even though next year will be worse.
You are part of the problem. Some of us are hoping for final fours.....not NITs.
You are right, poor Crean is the only coach in the nation that has had adversity......
And Purdue fans love Crean. You figure it out.
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I mostly agree, though I think Glass can keep Crean. Crean might be performing near Glass's expectations. The state of fan unrest might not bother Glass until/unless AH is half full and donations are down.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The thing that bothered me the most about tonight? Effort. We had the best intensity we've had since the UNC game for about the first 4 minutes - then went soft as hell. No mental toughness whatsoever.
Did not surprise me in the least to see McIntosh have the game he had against us. He is so underrated as a player. Northwestern plays the way we used to play - tough and smart. Kills me to watch this iteration of Indiana Basketball . . .
My understanding is that Westbrook can leave OKC in 2018 if he wants to: http://deadspin.com/the-thunder-bought-one-more-year-to-solve-their-russell-1784814257 which is why I think there may be a faint glimmer of a chance for Donovan to also consider a return to college coaching, especially if it (for example) involved replacing his mentor Pitino or replacing Calipari. I know some others like OKC's remaining players, but when I look at Adams, Kanter, etc., I don't immediately think "NBA championship nucleus!"
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The thing that bothered me the most about tonight? Effort. We had the best intensity we've had since the UNC game for about the first 4 minutes - then went soft as hell. No mental toughness whatsoever.
Did not surprise me in the least to see McIntosh have the game he had against us. He is so underrated as a player. Northwestern plays the way we used to play - tough and smart. Kills me to watch this iteration of Indiana Basketball . . .
Agree totally with your points. Just disagree whether Glass can keep Crean. I don't think he SHOULD, but I think he CAN.
If the seats are sold, and the donations are good, Fred can stand pat a while longer. Who is available as replacement also enters Glass's decision making.
Agree - which is why (for some reason) I'm believing Billy D makes a trip from Okie to B-town.
I have a lot of trouble thinking BD would make that move. But I could get on board fast if he did.
A year ago, an acquaintance of mine who works for Fred Glass told me that Glass's Plan A is Stevens, Plan B is Alford, and there is no Plan C.
I presume Plan A won't happen.
Plan B is terribly unappealing .
Well he may want to form plan C and D. Just ask Steven's agent what it would take. If it is too ridiculous next plan.
I'm not as high as others here are on A. Miller, Holtmann or Mack, but I'd probably go with any of them over Alford--in the unlikely event Steve would want to walk away from the roster he's currently assembled at UCLA.
So if Glass has no "Plan C" and both Brad and Steve say "thanks but no thanks" it could become a scramble at that point? great....
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The thing that bothered me the most about tonight? Effort. We had the best intensity we've had since the UNC game for about the first 4 minutes - then went soft as hell. No mental toughness whatsoever.
Did not surprise me in the least to see McIntosh have the game he had against us. He is so underrated as a player. Northwestern plays the way we used to play - tough and smart. Kills me to watch this iteration of Indiana Basketball . . .
Crean actually bragged how tough the guys played tonight.
Of course, he also cried about Hartman being out with an injury.
I suspect that may be because he knows, with the talent he's brought to UCLA, that his time to produce is limited. I wouldn't be interested in him personally, but I can see how Glass might think hiring him would be a "brilliant stroke." There were also rumors that he begged Greenspan to be considered and he was rebuffed back then.
I would rather try A. Miller--and I'm not as impressed with him as others on here are. I want a home-run hire and IMO Alford doesn't fit that bill, except perhaps symbolically. And I'm not interested in symbols.
A lot of us Purdue fans think Painter and his staff suck as well (average or below-average coach: he peaked with the '09-'10 team). I've been convinced that he's not the guy to take the program any further than before ever since the VCU loss in the 2011 NCAA's. Maybe some sort of multi-program deal can be made where both coaches get shipped away.
No wonder he didn't rip TB like he did Devonte at the end of Rutgers when TB didn't run back hard on defense when Lumpkin stole and slammed on him.
Not true.
Did Steve want a shot at the job? Maybe - but there was no communication from him toward Greenspan. I know for a fact he expressed dismay to a friend here in NC that Greenspan wouldn't even give him the courtesy of a "No, we're not interested" email.
There was bad blood between the two that goes back to their days in the Missouri Valley. Steve & SMS were practicing at Illinois St when Greenspan (then the Redbirds AD) kept coming into the gym, hanging around during their practice.
Steve told him "We need you to leave during our practice". An enraged Greenspan did - and turned the lights off as he left.
Pathetic excuses and nothing more.
Yes I graduated from IU, not a "wannabe" fan, as you would call it. I know many fans that didn't, but still buy apparel, purchase tickets to games and travel with the team. They bleed cream and crimson. These same fans also contribute to IU making millions in television rights. Why don't you climb down off your high horse and give that big, ugly picture of you and Crean a kiss.
You're pathetic.
Kansas was down two of their 3 big men and still went into UK and won.
I will acknowledge that the Glass employee was chatting with some friends, and it was a quip made as part of some other things he was discussing.
I seriously doubt that Glass hasn't thought beyond Plans A and B.
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He used JM's injury in his presser as a primary reason we lost to Butler. JM was the best player on the court that day for IU.
Crean's injury excuse no longer has any merit in my book. He has used and abused it countless times.
Newest example provided by Hondo:
https://indiana.forums.rivals.com/threads/friggin-excuse-machine.146715/
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I knew there was friction between them, but I thought Alford had tried (through intermediaries) to get an interview and was turned down.
If Glass thinks hiring Alford now would "unite the fanbase" he's even more out of touch than I thought.
Not to my knowledge, and if it would have happened I have no doubt I'd have heard that it occurred.
had the opportunity to watch most of Steve's home games at the Pit while he was the UNM coach.
I may get crucified for posting this, but 1) I don't think he's what IU needs and 2) I don't think he'd "lock down the state recruiting-wise" simply because he played at IU 30 years ago, i.e., about twice as long as the kids he'd be recruiting have been alive.
I may get crucified for posting this, but 1) I don't think he's what IU needs and 2) I don't think he'd "lock down the state recruiting-wise" simply because he played at IU 30 years ago, i.e., about twice as long as the kids he'd be recruiting have been alive.
Would he "lock down" the state? IDK - but he'd do much better than Crean. He - and Sam and Eddie- still have solid relationships with state HS coaches.
guy I discussed this with last night said "what about Wilkes?" and I said "what about Westwood, Hollywood and Malibu?"
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