We need a grad transfer who can shoot. Guess Archie isn't aware of this. He blamed the season on a lack of 3 point shooting but he is focused on freshmen. I don't get it.
Purdue get Proctor, Archie gets ?
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Painter is a better coach than Archie and I would trade Purdue in a heartbeat.
So you guys are upset that Archie didn't get a guy from High Point? Damn . . . 
I'm upset he hasn't got a grad transfer who can shoot over 33% from the three point line. Yes. Did you watch this team play last year? Maybe you like going to the NIT?
So you guys are upset that Archie didn't get a guy from High Point? Damn . . .
Like Fitzner last season who was a career 40% the point shooter at St Mary's?
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Coaches are supposed to scout talent and recruit the best players. Archie blew that one.
Fkfootball it's pretty easy ..
Trade all your IU clothes in..And go to the Black & Gold fourm...
Trade all your IU clothes in..And go to the Black & Gold fourm...
Painter would have been ran out of town on a rail at IU, and justifiably so. They just finished their statue of Painter to place outside of Mackey:
BS. Just how was Archie supposed to know that Fitzner was going to forget how to shoot?
He was a 40% shooter for god's sake and what did he end up shooting at IU - like 17%. How was that foreseeable?
So you think this Proctor is going to come in from High Point and tear up the BT?
AND if Archie would have signed Proctor then the narrative would have been "Archie is desperate to sign some kid from High Point".
Archie is the person who scouted, offered, and coached Fitz. If he isn't responsible for it, who is?
To be clear, I don't give a sh#t about Proctor, Pork Chop, or Purdue.
Sure, he is responsible for the whole program but to give him all kinds of grief that a kid that was a shooter suddenly couldn't hit the broad side of a barn is over the top to me.
Archie knew we needed a shooter and found one or so he thought. A swing and a miss but that happens. He is not a clairvoyant.
It is pretty obvious by now Archie is not going after three point shooting grad transfers. We are going into next season with what we got and it appears with the same assistant coaches as well. I thought we would see major changes but it appears not. Archie is going to roll the dice it appears with the guys he had last year.
He averaged 4 points a game. That was just not a good decision bringing him in. Plenty of they grad transfers start and average 15-18 a game. Fitzner did not even start at St. Mary's.
It won’t end well. Archie doesn’t know what he is doing.
I am ok with blaming both. I would however put the majority of the blame and responsibility on Archie because he offered and coached him. Archie wasn't forced into offering Fitz.
I don't think anyone is looking for him to "tear up the BT", but the new NCAA free agency period is for just this. Pick up a 1 year guy who can add depth and compete for minutes at a position you are thin at who doesn't tie up scholarship spots down the road.
I don't know what IU's roster looks like for next year but maybe that's just not something Archie wants.
Archie deserves the majority of the blame, but I've gotta believe he never envisioned having the issues we had this year in try to visualize Evan's role for this team.
When he does well it will be because he was coaches by Tubby Smith...and Painter had it easy and handed to him prepared and ready.So you guys are upset that Archie didn't get a guy from High Point? Damn . . .
When Archie gets a guy and cant find ways to maximize their skills or opportunities its because the old coach sucked and Archie has to unteach them...
Bahahaahaha
Fair enough - please tell us what Archie did as a coach that 1) failed to maximize players skills or opportunities, and 2) what he should have done that would have achieved that objective.
Please be specific on both counts. Thanks in advance.
IU has higher standards. Painter would have been fired a long time ago. No FF in 15 years. PU is a limited program: there is a reason they haven't been to a FF in 40 years.
They haven’t missed the tournament 7 times in 11 years. I’m as big of an IU fan as there is, but I can admit that is pretty sad. I don’t blame any of you fans though. Not your faults.
So you judge Archie by the 1 grad transfer he had and think all are bad or Painter gets better ones. Let’s see how Brunk works out( we needed another big also). And then assess s the two coaches. Painter has been there15 years Archie 2.
Please tell me you don't coach. I expect emotional over the top reactions from our fans whose personal value are connected to a college team, but typically coaches know better. Foreseeable, really....okay.
It's a futile task, asking the "fire Archie" crowd to provide specifics other than the most basic of stats (W/L, shooting percentage etc). They can only point to those things because they don't have the capacity and/or the will to delve any deeper, perfectly content to barely scratch the surface on the "why" of it all and even more lacking in the patience it takes to actually build something. They are content to pine for the next "greatest coach since sliced bread" to come along and save us, like infants distracted by shiny objects, instead of giving the current guy more than 2 years to build a program around his vision, his culture. They point to guys like Painter (who has had 15 years to build his program) and Izzo (24 years to build his program) as comparisons, yet it's apples and oranges when they are calling for Archie's head halfway through his second season. Hell, we've even had posters wish we would hire a cheater and actively cheat to win. WTF?
I've said it before, and I will say it again...if we are still sitting here halfway through year 4 in the same position we were halfway through year 2, then I will be more than happy to join the "fire Archie" crowd in calling for a change. I will admit I was wrong in him being the "right guy". But they won't find me apologizing for wanting to give him the time to build something. Them hopping from thread to thread and taking a figurative dump in each one, whining and moaning and complaining like an amalgamation of Eyore, Chicken Little, a mother-in-law and the average PUke) is wearing so damned thin.
And I swear to God if I see one more sniveling, quivering sack of monkey turds claim to be an IU fan and in the same post wish we had Purdue's coach I am gonna gouge my eyes out with a rusty nail. I'm gonna make it simple for anyone who thinks like this...It's a PUke's job to want what IU has (like they have been doing since the 1940's) and it's an IU fan's job to laugh at them every year when they fail to achieve it. Either change allegiances right TF now, or beg your wife to let you take your testicles out of her purse before you post here.
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Crean is why we haven't been to the NCAA's, and we got rid of his ass. If IU was making the NCAA's and consistently winning under Crean, he wouldn't have been fired and we wouldn't be in the process of cleaning up his mess. Crean sucks: duh!
What the hell has Painter done in the NCAA's in 15 years? One Elite 8 in 15 years: who gives a fig? Is that good enough at IU? No. Cool, Gene would overachieve every now and again as well. Go help them build a Painter statue.
No clue how he will turn out for Purdue, but found this interesting:
Jahaad Proctor's 4.0 BRPG! was 200th in last season's CBB, 5 places ahead of Romeo and 6 ahead of Iggy at Michigan. For comparison to the best players, Zion was 1 at 6.9, Cassius 2 at 6.8 and Carsen was 7 at 6.2.
http://www.barttorvik.com/playersta...year=2019&top=353&start=20181101&end=20190501
Barttorvik had him as the 7th highest rated grad transfer before his committment to Purdue today.
Jahaad Proctor's 4.0 BRPG! was 200th in last season's CBB, 5 places ahead of Romeo and 6 ahead of Iggy at Michigan. For comparison to the best players, Zion was 1 at 6.9, Cassius 2 at 6.8 and Carsen was 7 at 6.2.
http://www.barttorvik.com/playersta...year=2019&top=353&start=20181101&end=20190501
Barttorvik had him as the 7th highest rated grad transfer before his committment to Purdue today.
What was the alternative to Fitz last year. Not using the schollie? Maybe the kid from UE who probably bailed on IU when Romeo signed on? Fitz is gone. It was low risk.
Maybe Archie wasn't going to use the schollie and did a solid for the volleyball team.
Maybe Archie wasn't going to use the schollie and did a solid for the volleyball team.
True - with the grad transfers, there is absolutely no reason at all to have an unused scholarship. There is no risk or loss at all.
I guess toughness is always a nice trait but that isn't what IU needed last year out of Fitzner. He wasn't playing underneath. He was brought in as a shooter.
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