One and Done Recuriting
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I remember when Knight did it with Alford during his losing streak and don't kid yourself, it's lore now, but in Bedford (I was a kid with an afternoon paper route who would stop in a coffeehouse/store for candy during my route) people we're PISSED that he threw that game for being an ''asshole tyrant'.
And that was Knight in 1985 at the height of his power.
But we loved Stevie. And we loved Damon. And we love Romeo.
I know for a fact that Knight lost a big chunk of southern Indiana with how Damon's career was going into his senior year. Especially when Kansas kept knocking us out in the tournament.
The fan base is fickle.
Anyway I would love to see a pissed off starting lineup and then afterwards say that he was going to play the kids that want to fight....but we'd lose, probably badly, and he doesn't have the goodwill built to be able to pull a coach Norman Dale my team is on the floor move.
You mentioned you’d like to emulate UNC’s program. You cool with having fake courses created for the sole purpose of getting your players eligible? Just curious.
You realize Archie made the comment that Romeo is one of the most coachable players he has ever had? So a kid who stayed after high school basketball games is now the cancer of his team? That is a lot of mental gymnastics to shift the blame away from Archie.
The answer is they're poorly coached and Archie is to blame. Archie is in over his head and hasn't done shit to earn the benefit of the doubt. We just lost our 7th game in a row to Rutgers and your still pontificating about Romeo being the issue. F##king Tom Crean has a better winning percentage than Archie when he was at IU.
well, he did make 4 tourneys in a row at Dayton, so it's not like he hasn't done shit to earn the benefit of the doubt. lol
i honestly don't think the two camps here are too far off. one side is pissed and depressed, the other pissed and a bit more hopeful. i'm all for one sharing his opinion but the hot seat for Archie doesn't get turned up unless we look like shit next year and you guys know that. or you should.
all that said, bitch away. it became therapy for me during the last half of crean's career at IU. i would never deny another man his chosen medicine other than the couple true douche bags lurking among us.
Never said that but the way they build their roster with 4 and low 5 star players who stay at least 3 years on the most part. I would also not want any of my assistant coaches putting $1000 in a FED EX bag
I don't consider winning some games in the A-10 a major accomplishment. I do tend to bitch more at coaches (they are also the ones getting paid millions) than players until the coach has earn the benefit of the doubt. I'm also more loyal (bias) to the players because of the alum connection.
On a positive note. Come next year, I will have already worked through the 5 stages of grief, when you are still in the anger phase.
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must not be big basketball fan if you don't know this but it was UK's assistant coach Dwayne Casyo gave money to Chris Mills.
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-21/sports/sp-4360_1_kentucky-assistant
When things go wrong I think the majority of the blame should go to the players because they are the ones not executing the plays. They are the ones missing wide open shots, they are the ones missing free throws. I would probably put the blame at 70-30 players.
lol -- you are not really trying to be objective here. 52-18 conf record, 2 conference titles, 4 ncaa tourneys with a G8 appearance is a little diff than winning "some games." that's a very hireable resume. on par with plenty of other mid-major coaches hired by big time programs in the last few years.
you may be right about Archie, but i gotta call foul on this premise. it's prisoner-of-the-moment talk. i get it but i've just decided not to lose my mind and will hold judgement for the next 10 to 12 months.
I’ll phrase it differently. Dayton’s all time winning percentage is 60%. Archie won roughly 68% of his games there. Coaches with that type of success at a mid major have a low probability of being successful when they move up to Power 5 schools. Especially, at IU, where the expectation is to be at least a top 10 program. So, the premise that Archie was some great hire or great coach, is not true in my opinion. Thus, my statements he won some games at Dayton.
You add in the disaster he has been so far at IU and I’ve come to the conclusion he is a dead man walking. Welcome to stage one, denial
. I’m working through stage four, depression.Not once did I infer that Romeo is a cancer.
Not once.
Put it this way, Damon Bailey is one of the greatest team players you could imagine ..but there is a tremendous amount of pressure to coach Damon Bailey.
I'm a Bedford guy and trust me, Knight lost some of his luster with how Damon's career turned out. We were all pissed that he played him as a shooting guard instead of a point guard. Shooting was his worst skill. His vision was otherworldly.
Anyway, and that was Bob effing Knight. Not a dude in his second year.
There is a tremendous pressure to coach Romeo Langford. What if you rip him apart and his posse turns on you like they did Calipari in the world games (Calipari didn't play him much because of his motor. His posse took Kentucky off their list and questioned Cal's coaching. Don't believe me then why does Rupp Rafters hate Tim Langford and Romeo).
Dennis Green one year lost the Vikings because players complained that Randy Moss and Chris Carter was getting away with stuff that others weren't. Green's answer was you have rules, Moss has guidelines.
Not saying that's the case here but...as a coach you absolutely need Langford to succeed and be a lottery pick or you're pretty f'd. Vonleh was from the East coast, who cares. Langford is an Indiana HS icon, just like Damon was.
Coaching a kid like that is different than others. You can't go Norman Dale on Jimmy. Everyone around Romeo will murder you.
That has nothing to do with Romeo the kid. It's Romeo the phenomena.
He's a 19 kid with a low motor going through adversity on the court for probably the first time in his life.
I'm bitching at Archie for how I believe he's made Romeo is Bracey Wright. Bracey was a good kid too but Davis coached him differently and you could see how our chemistry was crap on those Bracey teams. Luckily for Davis Wright was from Texas and not Paoli so we didn't love Bracey.
What's the right way? On one hand you've got Dakich screaming that he's tired of Archie being so soft on Romeo while he plays clips of Knight ripping Alford in the press conference. That's what some people want.
There's only one outcome that works. You win big. Everyone then wins. Unfortunately that rarely happens and it's obviously not this year and the boat had capsized.
His Ken Pom numbers were not good, he made tourney cause literally the Atlantic is terrible. I mean terrible.
RMK winning percentage at Army was 67% and he turned out fineI’ll phrase it differently. Dayton’s all time winning percentage is 60%. Archie won roughly 68% of his games there. Coaches with that type of success at a mid major have a low probability of being successful when they move up to Power 5 schools. Especially, at IU, where the expectation is to be at least a top 10 program. So, the premise that Archie was some great hire or great coach, is not true in my opinion. Thus, my statements he won some games at Dayton.
You add in the disaster he has been so far at IU and I’ve come to the conclusion he is a dead man walking. Welcome to stage one, denial
Coach K winning percentage at Army was 55% nd he turned out fine
I’ll phrase it differently. Dayton’s all time winning percentage is 60%. Archie won roughly 68% of his games there. Coaches with that type of success at a mid major have a low probability of being successful when they move up to Power 5 schools. Especially, at IU, where the expectation is to be at least a top 10 program. So, the premise that Archie was some great hire or great coach, is not true in my opinion. Thus, my statements he won some games at Dayton.
You add in the disaster he has been so far at IU and I’ve come to the conclusion he is a dead man walking. Welcome to stage one, denial
a shockingly similar win % to chris mack at xavier (leagues are relative but so are the players they get) and sitting pretty next to holtman's at butler.
and can you give me more data on your low-probability-of-success-at-your-next-p5 job-if-you-only-move-a-mid-major-program-8%-up-from-it's-historical-average theory? lol
man, i think most of you guys are good dudes. your just pulling this shit our of your asses because it sucks to lose like this. we pulled similar data with crean but only when we had sufficient proof. why go to this dark, dark place you guy are in until you have real evidence?
The next number you need to post is Army’s all time winning percentages overall. Also, look up the definition of probability while your at it.
The Chris Mack example isn’t apples to apples. It’s more difficult to win in the Big East than A-10. Especially, the 6 years that Mack coached in the Big East. Xavier’s long term average is based on them playing in a easier conference. I don’t care if you think it’s bullshit, I was just explaining my reasoning.
You are correct on not having to go to a dark place to gather evidence. All I need to do is turn on the T.V. Saturday and watch us get our ass kicked for the 8th game in a row. According to Paterfamilies it will be our 3rd longest losing streak in the Big Ten. Right behind Creans 9 and 11 game streaks.
No worries man. I enjoy your posts and will end up posting less about Archie. I’ve already made it painfully obvious what I think about him.
Mea culpa on the cancer comment. I thought you were inferring it. If I have time, I’ll address the rest of your post.
[QUOTE="snarlcakes, post: 2593386, According to Paterfamilies it will be our 3rd longest losing streak in the Big Ten. Right behind Creans 9 and 11 game streaks.
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Crean lost 8 and 10 in a row in his first season, both in conference games. The next year he lost 11 in a row, and then he lost 9. That is 4 streaks. He also lost 8 of 10 in his last Big Ten season.
In 1913, IU was 0-10. (Yes, I had to look that up).
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Crean lost 8 and 10 in a row in his first season, both in conference games. The next year he lost 11 in a row, and then he lost 9. That is 4 streaks. He also lost 8 of 10 in his last Big Ten season.
In 1913, IU was 0-10. (Yes, I had to look that up).
No complaints about Romeo tonight. Probably the hardest he's played all year (including last five minutes of MSU).
Still lost with him tho homie.
He was no Cook or Bohannon.
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