Meeting of the Negative Nancy Club.
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I’m not one saying that IU should have made the tournament despite all the injuries that they had.
You - and others - are. You just put in your last post how all teams have injuries - in capital letters, even.
You either can make a statement with evidence to back it up or you can’t. Let’s see it.
After you break down all 68 teams - and link their injuries to where they were made public, including IU’s(not just whre you assume an IU player was limited or sat bc of injury),
then your 68 teams w injuries w referenced publicly known injuries
will give an equal comparison.
I'm not trying to provide a single team....everything that went wrong with this team last year was all because of injuries. Nothing else. We need to hang a banner because there will never be another team as injured as this team was...ever...in any sport.
Heck, I'm surprised that we havent blamed some coaching decisions on the fact that the coach may have been in concussion protocol.
I think you might be injured. You should start concussion protocol. I think the injury bug is contagious.
We’ve been through this already. A LOT of things helped derail the season.
Injuries were a BIG part of that - exposed even more by the lack of experience, lack of leadership and lack of an established culture. All things that - had they been in place - might have helped up get there.
Which is why I keep asking for that team. Because if you all expect Archie to overcome all of that even with an inexperienced team, you surely would’ve expected someone else (if they were a competent coach) to have achieved that. Right?
MSU had Langford out for the year. Ward had a fracture and wasn't the same when he played, Ahrens had a bad injury. MqQuaid sprained his ankle and sucked right before our game. Couldn't shoot with any lift, missed all his 3s, had 6 points while on the floor for 36 mins because they were so injured.
Could easily be viewed as more injured than us. Way better players, that's for sure. Ahrens compares to our guys in talent, but Langford and Ward could join any power 5 school and make them a tournament team when 100%.
There is no team....you know this this. It is THEE MOST INJURED TEAM EVER. If it wasnt, you would would post the teams that were.
Since you havent, you know I'm right.
Oh and your use of "might"? There is no "might"...you know it. If this team was better prepared, mentally tougher and had player leadership, they would have won enough games to make the tournament by being able to overcome the fact they were far and away the most injured team that has ever been assembled...EVVVVVVVVVVVVVERRRRRRRRRRR.
Does that protocol address dementia, also? Would sincerely hate to see some of you (note some, not ALL
) left without treatment . . .
Yes. One of the many leaders of his cult. For YEARS.
You’ve obviously never had a concussion. It’s VERY minor. I’ve had a couple. You’re acting like he tore his Achilles.
Why can’t you just own it and say Archie had a bad year, lost control of his team, and laid an egg last year, BUT you believe he’ll learn and turn it around next year? Why can’t you just be reasonable. Why do you have to come up with excuse after excuse after excuse?
The take which you just put forth is pretty much my take. I would add though that I believe that the injuries which IU did have were the catalyst. Should Archie have performed better? To my layperson eye, I think the answer is absolutely. However, the Big Ten last year was so tough and so well coached that I'm willing to hand out a mulligan in the hope that the young coach learned some valuable lessons that will serve to make him that much better going forward.
My confidence in Miller is shaken somewhat, but I will not be surprised if he is in the running for COY accolades next spring. I'll pull up just short of predicting it with confidence this year, but it would not require divine intervention for IU to have a great season this year...imo
The take which you just put forth is pretty much my take. I would add though that I believe that the injuries which IU did have were the catalyst. Should Archie have performed better? To my layperson eye, I think the answer is absolutely. However, the Big Ten last year was so tough and so well coached that I'm willing to hand out a mulligan in the hope that the young coach learned some valuable lessons that will serve to make him that much better going forward.
My confidence in Miller is shaken somewhat, but I will not be surprised if he is in the running for COY accolades next spring. I'll pull up just short of predicting it with confidence this year, but it would not require divine intervention for IU to have a great season this year...imo
You just joined the CAM Fan Boi Club. Just asked snarly and cryandwhine.
My season tickets are ordered and paid for next season.You just joined the CAM Fan Boi Club. Just asked snarly and cryandwhine.
I hope he’s right about a great year ahead. I dont like losing. I would love for Archie to make the last two seasons an aberration to future seasons.
Winning fixes a lot of issues.
You just joined the CAM Fan Boi Club. Just asked snarly and cryandwhine.
You can’t claim membership. You are too old for the club.
I can easily say Archie had a bad year. Without question.
But the circumstances don’t put all of it on him. Lots of fault to pass around.
Disagree? Fine - name us the team with the same level of talent and experience with comparable injuries. And, no, it’s not Michigan State.
I am not interested in litigating the case that MSU’s injuries were worse than IU’s, or the opposite, but I would like to note that MSU’s talent was superior to our talent, and that Cassius Winston was worth in terms of his performance his weight in gold. He truly will go down in history as one of the best players. And he was a pleasure to watch.
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Exactly.
Imagine if MSU's true PG went down with a concussion - only missed a couple of weeks, but didn't back to the same level of intensity and plat for a 5-6 weeks? That's what we;re talking about with IU 2018-19.
With a veteran team with great talent, chemistry and culture, you can have significant injuries and still overcome them. What Izzo pulled off was impressive as hell. Without those things - cohesiveness, veteran talent, leadership - it takes a small margin for error and makes it razor-thin for a team like IU last year.
Some will understand this. Others? It is what it is . . .
Instead of imagining, how about we stay in reality and not pretend Phin is anywhere near the player Winston is?
The reason why MSU didn’t fall apart is because Izzo is a much better coach than Archie.
WHOEVER THE HELL SAID HE WAS?!?!?
The POINT was the role, not how good Phin or Winston is. Winston is, obviously, eons better. But if Winston had sustained the injury Phin did, you think it wouldn’t have impacted the Spartans? You’re telling me Loyer would have stepped in without drop off?
And, surely, you’re not gonna pull a feepaw and try to argue IU had the same amount/quality of bigs, right? Hell, Ward, missed time with a hand injury - but they had VETERAN depth upfront.
Phin isn’t as good as Winston (maybe as good as FRESHMAN Winston) but when he was playing at or close to 100% we were a totally different team. Wasn’t until the Purdue game at home did he show the defensive aggressive he showed right before his concussion.
The next game he shut Bohannon down until he got kicked in the leg and had to leave late. Bohannon hit a trey to send it to OT, then scored NINE in the extra session to get Iowa the win.
On a team missing intangibles for success (experience, talent, depth) the margin of error was slim. We had NO ONE who could things that Phin could do - and for the 7 weeks Phin was not playing the way he was pre-concussion it impacted IU in a significant way.
But believe what you want to believe.
As for what I believe, I try to stick to what happened. Phin was out 2-3 weeks. I might be able to buy into your 7 week theory if he had missed several months and didn't play so poorly at the end of the season.
He didn't practice or do anything for 2-3 weeks. That's what it means to be in concussion protocol. He played limited minutes his first 2-3 games back. From the time to he suffered his concussion to the time he was back fully healthy and in game shape was a month and a half/two month period. It's not easy trying to play B10 basketball after not working out for 3 weeks.
Nor play with the aggressiveness required to be effective defensively.
Was Phin back playing in 3 weeks? Yes. But you’re kidding yourself if you think he was the same player when he first came back that he was pre-concussion.
Did Phin still struggle in some games late in the year? Sure - the kid was a freshman. It’s as if some people on here want him to play as a fully healthy veteran player.
I believe that your concussions were extremely major, and that explains a lot.
Nor play with the aggressiveness required to be effective defensively.
Was Phin back playing in 3 weeks? Yes. But you’re kidding yourself if you think he was the same player when he first came back that he was pre-concussion.
Did Phin still struggle in some games late in the year? Sure - the kid was a freshman. It’s as if some people on here want him to play as a fully healthy veteran player.
I'm calling you out for living in a fantasy land and providing facts to disprove your theories. You're the one who randomly chose the game that Phin was healthy without having a clue about his health. Not me.
I can't confirm or deny that you're a pervert. I can confirm that you are a weird f#ck that makes dozens of posts trying to make tendentious arguments excusing away the actions of POS like Izzo and Payne. I try to stay away from people like yourself. I would prefer it if you don't respond to me. If you can't help yourself, have at it, and I'll converse with your other handles that haven't tried to defend rapists.
And for the record, I've never brought up Izzo on here. Simply asked for evidence that substantiates "Izzo covers up rape" on another forum nonetheless. You've also quoted two different posts of mine from a completely different forum. I can't deny or confirm that you're a stalker, but you're definitely a weird f*** who cares entirely too much about what I have to say.
Again, if I’m living in a “fantasy land”, provide us the team that overcame what IU struggled with this year.
Does Archie need to be better? Without question. But this year’s failures went far beyond his coaching (or lack thereof).
It’s real simple: you (and others) try to say a better coaching job would have been the difference. That might be so - so who is the coach who pulled off that job? Who had two freshmen guards - one playing the majority of the season with a torn thumb ligament; the other going down with a concussion. The coach whose primary post player was 6-8, 232lbs playing against guys 2-3 inches taller and 20-50 lbs heavier.
If coaching was the issue, then SOMEONE should have already done what you say Archie should have been able to do. So who is it?
