Meeting of the Negative Nancy Club.

[cryano]

lol

So now it's Archie's "in game coaching of crucial possessions" that's the fault now, huh? And you can give us a clinical breakdown of those gaffes, right?

Directly comjng out of timeouts:
The end of UL game - almost blew it...
The end of Oh St game blew it on 2 off inbounds, then on the def inbounds...
Phin saved a busted nothing going inbounds play vs Butler out of a timeout...
There was another game that went to OT where we had no play in reg coming out of a timeout I believe...

Then the lack of calling timeouts - Duke, Maryland, Mich, Rutger, Minnesota...

 

[cryano]

lol

So now it's Archie's "in game coaching of crucial possessions" that's the fault now, huh? And you can give us a clinical breakdown of those gaffes, right?

Can you point to any specific points where Archie made a decision leading to a win?

 

[snarlcakes]

I'll say this: you are one of the more reasonable posters on here (low bar, I know . . ) - in all seriousness, even though we don't necessarily agree on some stuff you at least show a bit of common sense. That is truly lacking with many on here.

That’s fair. I enjoy your posts. There are actually very few posters I can’t stand. I think a lot of it is social platforms in general. For some reason they turn into pissing matches to often. I know personally I’m not a good writer and a lot of my comments are meant to be sarcastic/humorous and most likely come off more d#ckish. I also think the set up of threads sucks on rivals. It’s difficult at times to follow conversations.

 

[Squonk too]

In-game coaching does not miss or make clutch free throws, or make or miss last seconds shots, the great majority of the times.

As Taylor Swift sings/co-wrote, the players gonna play play play play play.

 

[T.M.P.]

lol

So now it's Archie's "in game coaching of crucial possessions" that's the fault now, huh? And you can give us a clinical breakdown of those gaffes, right?

lol .. Remember all those slow starts where we fall behind by double digits and then close the gap. How is that happening without in game coaching? If anything I would question scouting and prep. Seems the issues last year were more strategic than tactical.

 

[cryano]

lol .. Remember all those slow starts where we fall behind by double digits and then close the gap. How is that happening without in game coaching? If anything I would question scouting and prep. Seems the issues last year were more strategic and not as much tactical.

Bact to the asst coaching staff...remains the same...

 

[cryano]

 

[cryano]

Is there any responsibility in the last two years that falls on Archie!?!?!?!?

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Directly comjng out of timeouts:
The end of UL game - almost blew it...

Here is the breakdown of the end of the Louisville game:

2:02 - Romeo hits fastbreak layup; IU leads 57-56.
1:37 - Phinisee gets called for a HORRIBLE call on Cunningham; he hits 2 FT's. 58-57 Louisville.
1:25 - Phinisee hits 3 on clean look; IU up 60-58.
Good defensive possession for IU - get rebound at :58 after missed trey by Nwora.
Morgan slips for layup at :40. IU up 62-58.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Cunningham misses layup, Morgan fouled. Juwan hits 1-2. IU leads 63-58 :30 seconds left.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Williams misses trey, IU gets ball Out of Bounds. Romeo fouled makes 2. IU 65-58, :16 seconds left.
Cunningham hits trey - 11.1 seconds. IU 65-61. Phin playing close but not tight; kid just hit a great shot.
Phinisee fouled, hits 1-2 FT's. IU 66-61 :10 seconds left. IU up 66-61.
McMahon get Romeo to bite on the shot-fake, gets fouled. Hits 3 FT; 66-64 IU, 2.2 seconds left.
Romeo fouled before ball inbounded, hits 2 FT's. 68-64 IU, still 2.2 seconds.
Cunningham hits a desperation trey a ft inside of the halfcourt circle. 68-67 FINAL.

So, just HOW did Archie about blow that one? You think he didn't tell Romeo not to foul on McMahon? Is it his fault Phin and Juwan missed FT's down the stretch (IU was 16-25 from the line)?

The end of Oh St game blew it on 2 off inbounds, then on the def inbounds...

Here is last 1:45 of the game in Bloomington:
1:45 - Green hits trey - IU leads 52-49.
1:11 - Jackson SHOVES the ball toward the goal and it somehow goes in - 52 all.
:46 - Phinisee misses layup - what should have Archie done instead?
:20.8 - Smith overplays on screen (common issue) and gets beat badly by Andre Wesson for dunk to give tOSU a 54-52 lead.
:12 - Romeo misses trey. Won't argue a bit we couldn't have gotten a better shot.
:08 - Muhammad hits 1-2 FT. 55-52 tOSU.
:03 Green misses heavily guarded 3. Ballgame.

The two offensive possessions I'll give you could have been better. But the shot by Jackson was on Archie? Or Smith not staying with the packline principles AGAIN? That's on Archie?

Phin saved a busted nothing going inbounds play vs Butler out of a timeout...

And Archie was not happy. Look at the 22 second mark of this video - does he look like he is celebrating? Think he was pissed the play broke down from what he sat up? Take a look at his postgame presser when he talks about the play (1:00 mark question is asked).

There was another game that went to OT where we had no play in reg coming out of a timeout I believe...

You're talking about Iowa - and Phinisee had been doing a helluva job on Jordan Bohannon all game. Held him to 0 points in the first half, 5 up until he left the game late after being kicked in the leg.

Bohannon goes on to hit a trey to send it to OT, then scores 9 in the OT session. Again, could have we gotten a better look at the end of regulation? Maybe - but defense killed us more than offense

Then the lack of calling timeouts - Duke, Maryland, Mich, Rutger, Minnesota...

Duke? Really??

Maryland? Think having a healthy Davis might have helped when Juwan got into foul trouble. Hell yes - that's ALL on Archie.

Michigan? No chance given our roster at the time of either game.

Rutgers? Again, lack of frontcourt depth killed us. Juwan was asked to play down low against guys significantly bigger than he was - because we had NO ONE else.

Minnesota? A LOT of blame goes around on that one - including Archie.

So . . . In recap, Archie cost us ALL these games?

 

[Cavanagh.6]

Here is the breakdown of the end of the Louisville game:

2:02 - Romeo hits fastbreak layup; IU leads 57-56.
1:37 - Phinisee gets called for a HORRIBLE call on Cunningham; he hits 2 FT's. 58-57 Louisville.
1:25 - Phinisee hits 3 on clean look; IU up 60-58.
Good defensive possession for IU - get rebound at :58 after missed trey by Nwora.
Morgan slips for layup at :40. IU up 62-58.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Cunningham misses layup, Morgan fouled. Juwan hits 1-2. IU leads 63-58 :30 seconds left.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Williams misses trey, IU gets ball Out of Bounds. Romeo fouled makes 2. IU 65-58, :16 seconds left.
Cunningham hits trey - 11.1 seconds. IU 65-61. Phin playing close but not tight; kid just hit a great shot.
Phinisee fouled, hits 1-2 FT's. IU 66-61 :10 seconds left. IU up 66-61.
McMahon get Romeo to bite on the shot-fake, gets fouled. Hits 3 FT; 66-64 IU, 2.2 seconds left.
Romeo fouled before ball inbounded, hits 2 FT's. 68-64 IU, still 2.2 seconds.
Cunningham hits a desperation trey a ft inside of the halfcourt circle. 68-67 FINAL.

So, just HOW did Archie about blow that one? You think he didn't tell Romeo not to foul on McMahon? Is it his fault Phin and Juwan missed FT's down the stretch (IU was 16-25 from the line)?


Here is last 1:45 of the game in Bloomington:
1:45 - Green hits trey - IU leads 52-49.
1:11 - Jackson SHOVES the ball toward the goal and it somehow goes in - 52 all.
:46 - Phinisee misses layup - what should have Archie done instead?
:20.8 - Smith overplays on screen (common issue) and gets beat badly by Andre Wesson for dunk to give tOSU a 54-52 lead.
:12 - Romeo misses trey. Won't argue a bit we couldn't have gotten a better shot.
:08 - Muhammad hits 1-2 FT. 55-52 tOSU.
:03 Green misses heavily guarded 3. Ballgame.

The two offensive possessions I'll give you could have been better. But the shot by Jackson was on Archie? Or Smith not staying with the packline principles AGAIN? That's on Archie?




And Archie was not happy. Look at the 22 second mark of this video - does he look like he is celebrating? Think he was pissed the play broke down from what he sat up? Take a look at his postgame presser when he talks about the play (1:00 mark question is asked).




You're talking about Iowa - and Phinisee had been doing a helluva job on Jordan Bohannon all game. Held him to 0 points in the first half, 5 up until he left the game late after being kicked in the leg.

Bohannon goes on to hit a trey to send it to OT, then scores 9 in the OT session. Again, could have we gotten a better look at the end of regulation? Maybe - but defense killed us more than offense




Duke? Really??

Maryland? Think having a healthy Davis might have helped when Juwan got into foul trouble. Hell yes - that's ALL on Archie.

Michigan? No chance given our roster at the time of either game.

Rutgers? Again, lack of frontcourt depth killed us. Juwan was asked to play down low against guys significantly bigger than he was - because we had NO ONE else.

Minnesota? A LOT of blame goes around on that one - including Archie.

So . . . In recap, Archie cost us ALL these games?

This post made up your entire Saturday night..... yikes

 

[Stellara1]

Mediocrity isn't fine.

Unreasonable expectations aren't, either.

Is expecting IU to make it into the field of 68 an unreasonable expectation in your mind? Asking for a friend..

 

[Stellara1]

Is there any responsibility in the last two years that falls on Archie!?!?!?!?

No none at all...this is a major rebuild

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Is expecting IU to make it into the field of 68 an unreasonable expectation in your mind? Asking for a friend..

Ask your "friend" for me which IU team he has that expectation of - the pre-season, full of potential and promise one? Or the one that nearly made it despite all the issues they had?

And while you're asking your "friend" that, kindly ask him the question I've been asking on here since the end of the season: "What college basketball - with the same level of experience and injuries IU had in 2018-19 - made the NCAA Tournament? Any year, not just last year.

Can't wait to hear your "friends" response . . .

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Is there any responsibility in the last two years that falls on Archie!?!?!?!?

Biggest thing I'd fault him for is not prioritizing Trendon over Brooks. Hindsight is always 20-20, though.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

There are actually very few posters I can’t stand.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Here is last years IU roster w/comments

The Hoosiers are a bit of a wildcard in that, even though they have talent, Juwan Morgan is the only one of their 9 highly touted prospects to play down the stretch last season. IU's #18 ranked roster is carried by Morgan, Frosh phenom Romeo Langford and Junior big-man Deron Davis. Davis though has an injury cloud hanging over him for the upcoming and if he's unable to log Top 4 minutes, this roster tumbles to around #40.


The inclination here is to expect IU to be very good regardless of the availability of Davis. Coach Miller returns a potential rising star in Justin Smith along with redshirt frosh Race Thompson and intriguing soph Clifton Moore. Add in St. Mary's transfer Evan Fitzner and the (4,4,4) rated Jake Forrester to the front court mix, and one gets the feeling that Miller is excited about his well stocked cupboard up front. Coach's dream Zach McRoberts will surely find ways to contribute as well, though it's not clear how, at this point, with the likes of #54 rated Jerome Hunter and (4,4,4) rated Damezi Anderson also fighting for wing minutes.


The combination of Morgan and Langford promises to be lethal, but just how good the Hoosiers end up being may ultimately be decided by the point guard position, which has been unreliable (put kindly) since the departure of Yogi Ferrell. Frosh Rob Phinisee (4,4,4) could step right in, but we're expecting a breakout season from junior Devonte Green. Green made a splash early last season playing shoe-less, but more often than not seemed clue-less as the season wore on. It's expected that a full year under Miller's tutelage will begin to tap into Green's obvious potential. Al Durham at times was the only trustworthy point a year ago.


Last years entire Big Ten page with predictions (not good) can be found here. https://thediaperdandy.blogspot.com/p/big-ten-18-19.html

Hey Pater - you're pretty good with this analysis stuff. In all of your research have you ever come across a team with the level of talent and experience IU had in 2018-19 along with the degree of injuries the Hoosiers sustained and still made the NCAA Tournament?

I can't come up with a single one

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

lol

"Hey Forrest. Wanna work a shrimp boat with me ??"

 

[Paterfamilias]

Hey Pater - you're pretty good with this analysis stuff. In all of your research have you ever come across a team with the level of talent and experience IU had in 2018-19 along with the degree of injuries the Hoosiers sustained and still made the NCAA Tournament?

I can't come up with a single one

I would need to think on it a bit. IU last year was a pretty unusual situation, especially if it's true that Romeo payed injured most of the year.

Some of the most damaging injuries are easy for outsiders to downplay. I think the loss of Hunter was huge, but it could be easily argued that he was an unknown commodity who may not have contributed much more than Anderson as a frosh anyway. Then we have Race, who I think could have really helped as well, but he hasn't shown much yet when he has been on the court. A healthy McRoberts probably impacts 2 or three close losses enough to swing them the other way.

I don't know, there was just so much going on last year that I think it might be comparable to the string of bad luck that Wisconsin had the year before. Sure they still had Happ and seemingly enough to not nose dive, but the limited roster and nagging injuries just ruined the season.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Ask your "friend" for me which IU team he has that expectation of - the pre-season, full of potential and promise one? Or the one that nearly made it despite all the issues they had?

And while you're asking your "friend" that, kindly ask him the question I've been asking on here since the end of the season: "What college basketball - with the same level of experience and injuries IU had in 2018-19 - made the NCAA Tournament? Any year, not just last year.

Can't wait to hear your "friends" response . . .

My friend thinks IU should have an undefeated national championship mindset every year...regardless of what point in of the season they are in. The goal is a national championship...every year...period.

If that isnt a teams goal, then I would ask why are they in competitive sports?

 

[cryano]

Here is the breakdown of the end of the Louisville game:

2:02 - Romeo hits fastbreak layup; IU leads 57-56.
1:37 - Phinisee gets called for a HORRIBLE call on Cunningham; he hits 2 FT's. 58-57 Louisville.
1:25 - Phinisee hits 3 on clean look; IU up 60-58.
Good defensive possession for IU - get rebound at :58 after missed trey by Nwora.
Morgan slips for layup at :40. IU up 62-58.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Cunningham misses layup, Morgan fouled. Juwan hits 1-2. IU leads 63-58 :30 seconds left.
Another good defensive possession for IU - Williams misses trey, IU gets ball Out of Bounds. Romeo fouled makes 2. IU 65-58, :16 seconds left.
Cunningham hits trey - 11.1 seconds. IU 65-61. Phin playing close but not tight; kid just hit a great shot.
Phinisee fouled, hits 1-2 FT's. IU 66-61 :10 seconds left. IU up 66-61.
McMahon get Romeo to bite on the shot-fake, gets fouled. Hits 3 FT; 66-64 IU, 2.2 seconds left.
Romeo fouled before ball inbounded, hits 2 FT's. 68-64 IU, still 2.2 seconds.
Cunningham hits a desperation trey a ft inside of the halfcourt circle. 68-67 FINAL.

So, just HOW did Archie about blow that one? You think he didn't tell Romeo not to foul on McMahon? Is it his fault Phin and Juwan missed FT's down the stretch (IU was 16-25 from the line)?


Here is last 1:45 of the game in Bloomington:
1:45 - Green hits trey - IU leads 52-49.
1:11 - Jackson SHOVES the ball toward the goal and it somehow goes in - 52 all.
:46 - Phinisee misses layup - what should have Archie done instead?
:20.8 - Smith overplays on screen (common issue) and gets beat badly by Andre Wesson for dunk to give tOSU a 54-52 lead.
:12 - Romeo misses trey. Won't argue a bit we couldn't have gotten a better shot.
:08 - Muhammad hits 1-2 FT. 55-52 tOSU.
:03 Green misses heavily guarded 3. Ballgame.

The two offensive possessions I'll give you could have been better. But the shot by Jackson was on Archie? Or Smith not staying with the packline principles AGAIN? That's on Archie?




And Archie was not happy. Look at the 22 second mark of this video - does he look like he is celebrating? Think he was pissed the play broke down from what he sat up? Take a look at his postgame presser when he talks about the play (1:00 mark question is asked).




You're talking about Iowa - and Phinisee had been doing a helluva job on Jordan Bohannon all game. Held him to 0 points in the first half, 5 up until he left the game late after being kicked in the leg.

Bohannon goes on to hit a trey to send it to OT, then scores 9 in the OT session. Again, could have we gotten a better look at the end of regulation? Maybe - but defense killed us more than offense




Duke? Really??

Maryland? Think having a healthy Davis might have helped when Juwan got into foul trouble. Hell yes - that's ALL on Archie.

Michigan? No chance given our roster at the time of either game.

Rutgers? Again, lack of frontcourt depth killed us. Juwan was asked to play down low against guys significantly bigger than he was - because we had NO ONE else.

Minnesota? A LOT of blame goes around on that one - including Archie.

So . . . In recap, Archie cost us ALL these games?

After Romeo’s boneheaded foul on the 3 ptr - and then being up 4 w 2.2 sec left - why did we even contest the 3 at the buzzer, almost fouling on that shot.
Archie should have been driving home the point to lay back, no fouls,...2.2 sec up 4 points, right after Romeo fouled a 3...and we almost foul their made 3 at the buzzer!!!!

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

My friend thinks IU should have an undefeated national championship mindset every year...regardless of what point in of the season they are in. The goal is a national championship...every year...period.

If that isnt a teams goal, then I would ask why are they in competitive sports?

Having expectations is one thing, expecting teams to overcome limitations to do something is entirely different.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

After Romeo’s boneheaded foul on the 3 ptr - and then being up 4 w 2.2 sec left - why did we even contest the 3 at the buzzer, almost fouling on that shot.
Archie should have been driving home the point to lay back, no fouls,...2.2 sec up 4 points, right after Romeo fouled a 3...and we almost foul their made 3 at the buzzer!!!!

Romeo's boneheaded foul was ARCHIE'S fault?

"Archie should have been driving home the point to lay back, no fouls" did you even WATCH the last 2.2 after Romeo's FT's?? Archie is waving his ass off telling them to get back. What else can he do - he has no eligibility; he can't suit up?? JFC . . .

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I would need to think on it a bit. IU last year was a pretty unusual situation, especially if it's true that Romeo payed injured most of the year.

Some of the most damaging injuries are easy for outsiders to downplay. I think the loss of Hunter was huge, but it could be easily argued that he was an unknown commodity who may not have contributed much more than Anderson as a frosh anyway. Then we have Race, who I think could have really helped as well, but he hasn't shown much yet when he has been on the court. A healthy McRoberts probably impacts 2 or three close losses enough to swing them the other way.

I don't know, there was just so much going on last year that I think it might be comparable to the string of bad luck that Wisconsin had the year before. Sure they still had Happ and seemingly enough to not nose dive, but the limited roster and nagging injuries just ruined the season.

Let me know if you find anything.

Even with everything that went wrong last year IU was a win against tOSU in the BTT from getting in the dance. If Miller is as incompetent a coach as some allude to on here we wouldn't have been in that position.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Having expectations is one thing, expecting teams to overcome limitations to do something is entirely different.

You said to ask "a friend" what their expectations should be. I told you what my friend's expectations are. All teams face adversity. Perseve and overcome...sometimes teams fall short. The expectations shouldn't change.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

You said to ask "a friend" what their expectations should be. I told you what my friend's expectations are. All teams face adversity. Perseve and overcome...sometimes teams fall short. The expectations shouldn't change.

Actually, I asked @Stellara1 to ask his "friend".

All team face adversity? Fair enough - name me the college basketball team comparable to 2018-19 Indiana in term of talent and experience who overcame the adversity of injuries comparable to what IU had in 2018-19 to make the NCAA Tournament. Any season, not just this past one. I'll wait . . .

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Even with everything that went wrong last year IU was a win against tOSU in the BTT from getting in the dance. If Miller is as incompetent a coach as some allude to on here we wouldn't have been in that position.

IU shouldn't have been in a position to need a win against OSU.

They were a bad loss to Arkansas away.
They were a bad loss to Nebraska at home away.
They were a bad loss at Northwestern away.
They were a 24+ point first half deficit to Duke away.
They were a 19 point first half deficit at Michigan away.
They were a BAD loss at Rutgers away.
They were a 17-0 deficit to start the game against Michigan at home away.
They were a 30 point deficit to Minnesota away.

IU had plenty of opportunities to get the wins they needed...and not all of the above losses were because of injuries. Many were due to poor starts...which is either due to poor game planning by the coaching staff or poor mental preparation by the players, not being ready to play...all things within their control

Teams that have championship focus fight through the mental challenges and have coaches that prepare their teams going into games. There is plenty of blame for last season to go around...but excusing the results for things that should have been overcome is not excusable to my friend.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Actually, I asked @Stellara1 to ask his "friend".

All team face adversity? Fair enough - name me the college basketball team comparable to 2018-19 Indiana in term of talent and experience who overcame the adversity of injuries comparable to what IU had in 2018-19 to make the NCAA Tournament. Any season, not just this past one. I'll wait . . .

My friend is friends with @Stellara1 's friend.

I'm not concerned about other teams. I'm concerned about IU. Based on what I can read into your post, you must feel that IU had the most historic bad luck and most historic adversity to overcome injuries....ever. You sound like Dakich now...he always says his record would have been better and not been fired from Bowling Green if he didnt have injuries.

IU's biggest problems werent injuries...they contributed...but they werent the biggest issue keeping them from the tournament.

Dont confuse my point with Archie hate. I like Archie. I think the jury is still out...and I'm not seeing the things in him that caused me alarm that I saw in Crean's teams in his first three years...but I do have some concerns that need to get better...primarily the pregame prep.

Just pointing out what the expectations should be and that those expectations shouldn't change regardless of what adversity a team faces.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

IU shouldn't have been in a position to need a win against OSU.

They were a bad loss to Arkansas away.
They were a bad loss to Nebraska at home away.
They were a bad loss at Northwestern away.
They were a 24+ point first half deficit to Duke away.
They were a 19 point first half deficit at Michigan away.
They were a BAD loss at Rutgers away.
They were a 17-0 deficit to start the game against Michigan at home away.
They were a 30 point deficit to Minnesota away.

IU had plenty of opportunities to get the wins they needed...and not all of the above losses were because of injuries. Many were due to poor starts...which is either due to poor game planning by the coaching staff or poor mental preparation by the players, not being ready to play...all things within their control

Teams that have championship focus fight through the mental challenges and have coaches that prepare their teams going into games. There is plenty of blame for last season to go around...but excusing the results for things that should have been overcome is not excusable to my friend.

Is some of the blame on Archie for preparation/coaching? Sure.

But ALL? In year two of establishing your program, your culture?

How much do you think LEADERSHIP (or lack thereof) played into several of those losses you mentioned above? Huh?

Again - give me the team built like IU was this past season (talent & experience) and sustained injuries that IU had that MADE the NCAA Tournament. Please, I'm serious, provide that team - because if teams face that kind of adversity all the time and overcome it, it ought to be easy to list those teams. Right?

 

[Squonk too]

In my opinion we didn’t make the tournament because we shot terribly by Indiana standards.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

My friend is friends with @Stellara1 's friend.

I'm not concerned about other teams. I'm concerned about IU. Based on what I can read into your post, you must feel that IU had the most historic bad luck and most historic adversity to overcome injuries....ever. You sound like Dakich now...he always says his record would have been better and not been fired from Bowling Green if he didnt have injuries.

IU's biggest problems werent injuries...they contributed...but they werent the biggest issue keeping them from the tournament.

Dont confuse my point with Archie hate. I like Archie. I think the jury is still out...and I'm not seeing the things in him that caused me alarm that I saw in Crean's teams in his first three years...but I do have some concerns that need to get better...primarily the pregame prep.

Just pointing out what the expectations should be and that those expectations shouldn't change regardless of what adversity a team faces.

Just curious - why aren't your and Stellara1's friends on here discussing this instead of asking you guys to do their dirty work??

I saw lots of issues that looked coaching-related this past year: Slow starts, players in at certain times (just WHY the hell was Smith in late in the Ohio St game at home?), players not being held accountable (Smith, Romeo for lack of hustle at times).

But then I look at how much injuries could play into that - especially the pre-game prep. Ever play on a team that is short on personnel? Just how meaningful were some of those practices leading up to several of the games you listed? To me we started to play a lot better the healthier we got - prep was better, guys (ie: Smith) finally started losing playing time.

And I think of how guys played with injuries - Romeo, is it possible he didn't show a high motor out of concern for his thumb? Same with Phin & Race with concussions - ever had one? I have, and it's not fun. I can easily understand after having one how difficult it would be to play "all out" and be aggressive. How much did Juwan's injury at Michigan St linger?

Biggest issue I saw, however, was leadership. NO ONE stepped up at crucial times (at Maryland, at Rutgers, at Northwestern) to right the ship. Is that Archie's fault - especially in just his 2nd year?

While extremely disappointed on how the season turned pout, I still can't dump it all on Miller. Ultimately, it's on him; that's why he gets paid $3.5 mil. But I'll be surprised if we don't make the tournament this coming year, just because what has been established should start to pay dividends.

And if it doesn't happen - if we go 1-12 over a stretch in the Big 10 again? Then we can question whether Archie is the guy. If he falls on his ass, so be it - but he at least deserves a chance to fall on his ass.

 

[cryano]

Romeo's boneheaded foul was ARCHIE'S fault?

"Archie should have been driving home the point to lay back, no fouls" did you even WATCH the last 2.2 after Romeo's FT's?? Archie is waving his ass off telling them to get back. What else can he do - he has no eligibility; he can't suit up?? JFC . . .

No...it was the almost foul at the buzzer...Juwan’s I think...that I pit on Archie.
Following a timeout, where Romeo had fouled on the 3 just seconds earlier...and then Juwan almost does the exact same thing!
What was Archie saying in that timeout up 4 w 2.2 sec left that a player almost fouled on the buzzer three? All he needed to say is ‘stay right here guys - lets shake hands and celebrate!’ But for some reason, we played to contest that meaningless shot...

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

No...it was the almost foul at the buzzer...Juwan’s I think...that I pit on Archie.
Following a timeout, where Romeo had fouled on the 3 just seconds earlier...and then Juwan almost does the exact same thing!
What was Archie saying in that timeout up 4 w 2.2 sec left that a player almost fouled on the buzzer three? All he needed to say is ‘stay right here guys - lets shake hands and celebrate!’ But for some reason, we played to contest that meaningless shot...

Go back and watch the end again - the announcer is even saying "Archie Miller is saying back off, don't even move, why defend it". WHAT ELSE COULD HE DO?

 

[T.M.P.]

Is some of the blame on Archie for preparation/coaching? Sure.

But ALL? In year two of establishing your program, your culture?

How much do you think LEADERSHIP (or lack thereof) played into several of those losses you mentioned above? Huh?

Again - give me the team built like IU was this past season (talent & experience) and sustained injuries that IU had that MADE the NCAA Tournament. Please, I'm serious, provide that team - because if teams face that kind of adversity all the time and overcome it, it ought to be easy to list those teams. Right?

fwiw - neither Range or Stell have friends. They're lying to you.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

fwiw - neither Range or Stell have friends. They're lying to you.

 

[snarlcakes]

But I'll be surprised if we don't make the tournament this coming year, just because what has been established should start to pay dividends.

And if it doesn't happen - if we go 1-12 over a stretch in the Big 10 again? Then we can question whether Archie is the guy. If he falls on his ass, so be it - but he at least deserves a chance to fall on his ass.

I don't consider making the tournament an accomplishment, assuming we're a higher seed and we lose in the first or second round. I think it would be another meh season(I assume you disagree). What season does IU's standards/expectations kick in for you?

Also, Archie fell on his ass this season. He just gets a mulligan because it was year 2.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

...Ever play on a team that is short on personnel? Just how meaningful were some of those practices leading up to several of the games you listed?

Yes I have...

I played on a football team that only had 15 people (30 the year before)...not enough to play a full team 11 on 11 in practice. Our best player was pulled off our team.

We had a first year coaching staff that had no clue how to set up a practice schedule...and everyone on the team hated the guy.

It forced us to be mentally stronger. It forced us to focus and pay attention to game plans....to learn multiple positions most hadnt played.

We had injuries.

We could have folded mentally

We could have said screw it...we are at a disadvantage.

We could have said wait until next year.

We went undefeated.

I think you are confusing expectations vs evaluation.

Our expectations as players were to go undefeated...we did...in the face of a lot of adversity.

At the end of the season we could have reevaluated our situation had we lost a few games and said it was a good season given what we had to work with...but our focus....our EXPECTATION was to win every game. We were competitive people. We hated to lose. We were going to fight our asses off win every time...

Again...IU should have the expectation to be undefeated national champions every year.

Can we look back and see that this team was undermanned? Sure...but I think what I pointed out as losses aren't necessarily undermanned issues. Again...mental prep...mindset...toughness...game planning. Once you get into the middle of the season, the mental prep is more meaningful than anything as team taper to avoid injury and fatigue.

The mental side was a huge problem.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

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And if it doesn't happen - if we go 1-12 over a stretch in the Big 10 again? Then we can question whether Archie is the guy. If he falls on his ass, so be it - but he at least deserves a chance to fall on his ass.

No....if we go 1-12 ever again...its not a matter of questioning whether Archie is the guy....its a matter of who the next guy will be, because Archie won't be the guy.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I don't consider making the tournament an accomplishment, assuming we're a higher seed and we lose in the first or second round. I think it would be another meh season(I assume you disagree). What season does IU's standards/expectations kick in for you?

Also, Archie fell on his ass this season. He just gets a mulligan because it was year 2.

Given everything they dealt with, had this team rallied to make the tourney it would have been a nice accomplishment.

Season 3 (assuming we''re healthy) should be very telling. You should have by then started to have something built.

Archie definitely fell on his ass 2018-19. Let's see if he stays there.

 

[Rangeline Fan]

fwiw - neither Range or Stell have friends. They're lying to you.

You know you love me....

*Hugz*

 

[Rangeline Fan]

Given everything they dealt with, had this team rallied to make the tourney it would have been a nice accomplishment.

I'm not disagreeing (when evaluating after the season)...but again, this team, despite the injuries, should never have been in a position to have to rally. So many bad losses due to heart, effort and toughness.