McCarthy Round 2

[mattndallas]

Whether it be the OSU, or PSU case...who is leading the "protection" of these guys within the system?

It sounds like in both cases it was well known internally, but was simply downplayed as a "cost of doing business". Sounds like in the Strauss case, he's bringing in random (dudes, I assume) to the athletic showers just to hang around?

Is the assumption that this type of stuff was allowed to occur because there was someone "up the ladder" that participated in the "abuse" (is bringing is random gay guys to check out wrestlers in the shower "abuse", or just gay as ****?).

I mean, if Jordan's an Asst Coach, who is stopping him from leading a charge to punt Strauss? Why is this all "internal" hush/hush investigations? Why did it take 15+ years?

 

[BradStevens]

Whether it be the OSU, or PSU case...who is leading the "protection" of these guys within the system?

It sounds like in both cases it was well known internally, but was simply downplayed as a "cost of doing business". Sounds like in the Strauss case, he's bringing in random (dudes, I assume) to the athletic showers just to hang around?

Is the assumption that this type of stuff was allowed to occur because there was someone "up the ladder" that participated in the "abuse" (is bringing is random gay guys to check out wrestlers in the shower "abuse", or just gay as ****?).

I mean, if Jordan's an Asst Coach, who is stopping him from leading a charge to punt Strauss? Why is this all "internal" hush/hush investigations? Why did it take 15+ years?

The OSU and PSU cases are nothing alike.

I don't know all the testimony in the OSU case, but come on. It's explainable that a coach would think "oh the male doc is feeling you up?" isn't worrisome when the kid is an 18-22 year old wrestler. One hardly thinks of adult wrestlers as scared to stand up for themselves, especially w/r/t a team trainer.

I'm not saying what Jordan did was right, I'm just saying at worst, accepting everything that's been leveled at him as true, it doesn't come close to what was going on at PSU. It still amazes me that they didn't give that program the death penalty.

 

[Univee2]

The OSU and PSU cases are nothing alike.

I don't know all the testimony in the OSU case, but come on. It's explainable that a coach would think "oh the male doc is feeling you up?" isn't worrisome when the kid is an 18-22 year old wrestler. One hardly thinks of adult wrestlers as scared to stand up for themselves, especially w/r/t a team trainer.

I'm not saying what Jordan did was right, I'm just saying at worst, accepting everything that's been leveled at him as true, it doesn't come close to what was going on at PSU. It still amazes me that they didn't give that program the death penalty.

Every wrestler I’ve known is nuts. No way any of them would have let shit like this happen without taking the doc/trainer/whatever up on the roof and hanging them down the side of the building by their feet.

 

[zeke4ahs]

2018? Rolling Stone? lmao

You truly most not know how to google. Get it from any source you like. It’s all under sworn testimony. But I know the kind of excuses you will make for him too. You don’t care about sexual abuse. Obvious.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Hell no, or else she'd have posted it already.

She's just repeating what she hears on MSNBC. She can't think for herself.

Sweetie, I’ve followed the case since the beginning. You obviously can’t take the time to google. I’m sure you were upset about the dr at Michigan State getting in trouble. All those lying little girls, right? You truly seem to be lacking in morals.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Oh, that's right - the jury evidently ignored the fact she went willingly into a department store dressing room with him.

Use your brain.

Oh Danno. I see you know more than the people who heard the testimony. The excuses you make to support the slime you do should be embarrassing. If you knew how to self reflect.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Yeah it couldn't be because he was guilty. It has to be political, people just wanting to keep him from getting the Speakership. Even though the lawsuits date back to 2019, when the Dems control the House and Jordan was just one out of 435 House members. Nothing special...

The allegations by people involved in the suit is not that he participated in the abuse, but rather that he was aware of it and did nothing about it. Most of those people claim that Jordan had to know because he shared the lockerroom and was privy to conversations. But 5 former wrestlers and even a referee have testified that they personally told Jordan so they KNOW he was aware...

In his 2019 lawsuit the ex-ref described telling both Asst Coach Jordan and Head Coach Russ Hellickson about his encounter. This is a ref with no connection to OSU, basically corroborating the accounts of numerous OSU wrestlers and other athletes.Based on the demographics of collegiate wrestling and OSU in particular I'm going to put the likely % of accusers who are regular GOP voters at 50%.

An independent investigation paid for by OSU was released in May 2019

"An investigation commissioned by the university and conducted by the Perkins Coie law firm found that what Strauss was doing was an “open secret” and that the coaches and administrators at Ohio State knew for two decades that the doctor was abusing students but failed to stop him, according to a report released in May."

Second man accuses Rep. Jim Jordan of ignoring OSU abuse

The referee said the response of Jordan and another former coach was, "Yeah, yeah, we know."

www.nbcnews.com

The lawsuits will go forward this year and there is a good chance Jordan will be subpoeaned to testify. So he can swear under oath that he did not call the brother of one of the accusers and beg him crying to get his brother to change his testimony. And all his accusers are just after him politically, although they initially accused him when he was a political nobody...

Don’t hit Danc with facts. He either can’t read it or doesn’t care or it was too long ago or it’s because he is a Republican ( I’m sure the wrestlers cared about that) or whatever else is his excuse if the day. As I said, Republicans are good at ignoring sexual abuse. They just don’t care. Trump and Jordan prove that…

 

[zeke4ahs]

The OSU and PSU cases are nothing alike.

I don't know all the testimony in the OSU case, but come on. It's explainable that a coach would think "oh the male doc is feeling you up?" isn't worrisome when the kid is an 18-22 year old wrestler. One hardly thinks of adult wrestlers as scared to stand up for themselves, especially w/r/t a team trainer.

I'm not saying what Jordan did was right, I'm just saying at worst, accepting everything that's been leveled at him as true, it doesn't come close to what was going on at PSU. It still amazes me that they didn't give that program the death penalty.

They aren’t alike, but you’re saying it’s explainable for a coach to ignore when MULTIPLE wrestlers come to him and tell him they are being abused?

 

[mattndallas]

Every wrestler I’ve known is nuts. No way any of them would have let shit like this happen without taking the doc/trainer/whatever up on the roof and hanging them down the side of the building by their feet.

The investigation said he was taking guys out to dinner, then blowing them.

Had random dudes (I'm assuming Strauss's "friends") hanging around the shower room.

I agree, this sounds so "no effing way that happens", but it sounds like it was downplayed as "ah, don't worry about it" for some reason.

Were there Regents or other university execs or something that would hang with Strauss? Who was pulling the strings to downplay this?

I mean, Jordan could have taken it up the ladder, and told to "shut the **** up" if he wanted to keep his low-paying job as a college wrestling coach. Definite John Dupont vibes here.

 

[GigGoo]

The investigation said he was taking guys out to dinner, then blowing them.

He should be applauded for helping those young wrestlers come out of the closet.

We all know there are only a couple reasons to go into wrestling. You’re either a good wrestler, or……

 

[BradStevens]

They aren’t alike, but you’re saying it’s explainable for a coach to ignore when MULTIPLE wrestlers come to him and tell him they are being abused?

You're using the word "abuse." I'm guessing that they didn't use that word in the late '80s. Adult, male wrestlers going to a coach and saying "the trainer abused me" and then those wrestlers do nothing? File no report with the university? And keep going back to that same trainer? Yes, it's explainable that Jordan might have thought they were joking around or exagerrating.

There was a running joke at my high school with a country doc who everyone on the football team would use for yearly physicals. He was in his 70s in the '80s, and still practicing. Every kid would get the "cough" test. And half the kids would joke about that doc and how the test wasn't necessary and that his hand stayed down there a little too long or he gave them a hand job or whatever. It was one aspect of juvenile male humor, or at least it was in the '80s.

I'm not condoning the OSU doc. I'm just saying you have to have a little context and nuance around these things and not just reflexively call something "sexual abuse" when every situation is a little different.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Every wrestler I’ve known is nuts. No way any of them would have let shit like this happen without taking the doc/trainer/whatever up on the roof and hanging them down the side of the building by their feet.

I don’t understand why anyone would think multiple wrestlers would lie about something like this. It’s embarrassing for them to talk about I’m sure, let alone to testify.

 

[BradStevens]

I don’t understand why anyone would think multiple wrestlers would lie about something like this. It’s embarrassing for them to talk about I’m sure, let alone to testify.

Money.

 

[zeke4ahs]

You're using the word "abuse." I'm guessing that they didn't use that word in the late '80s. Adult, male wrestlers going to a coach and saying "the trainer abused me" and then those wrestlers do nothing? File no report with the university? And keep going back to that same trainer? Yes, it's explainable that Jordan might have thought they were joking around or exagerrating.

There was a running joke at my high school with a country doc who everyone on the football team would use for yearly physicals. He was in his 70s in the '80s, and still practicing. Every kid would get the "cough" test. And half the kids would joke about that doc and how the test wasn't necessary and that his hand stayed down there a little too long or he gave them a hand job or whatever. It was one aspect of juvenile male humor, or at least it was in the '80s.

I'm not condoning the OSU doc. I'm just saying you have to have a little context and nuance around these things and not just reflexively call something "sexual abuse" when every situation is a little different.

Well sexual abuse is a pretty big umbrella and what is alleged here definitely falls under it. This is more comparable to Michigan State than Penn State. The girls kept going back to the trainer also and it went on for years. I imagine college kids have a tendency to trust their trainer .There are a multitude of reasons peopke don’t report abuse until much later.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Money.

I find it hard to believe they’d concoct a story like that .

 

[zeke4ahs]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_University_abuse_scandal. 177 students over 20 years.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Six former wrestlers say Rep. Jim Jordan knew about abusive OSU doctor

Despite the former coach's claims that he knew nothing of sexual misconduct allegations against team doctor Richard Strauss, multiple wrestlers say they witnessed him being told directly.

amp.cnn.com

 

[BradStevens]

Well sexual abuse is a pretty big umbrella and what is alleged here definitely falls under it. This is more comparable to Michigan State than Penn State. The girls kept going back to the trainer also. I imagine college kids have a tendency to trust their trainer .

MSU is far worse. Nassar was doing that to underage girls. Again, these are 18-22 year old men. And they are wrestlers.

If they "trusted" him after he grabbed their scrotums, then can we really call that "abuse?" I don't think it fits, although I don't know what I'd call it.

Again, if you're Jordan, an assistant coach and a guy comes to you and says "man, our trainer is really handsy," in the 1980s, that's not really something many people were on the look out for.

I think this is a really murky area, and I'm not one for any quarter for child molesters and abusers. I believe they should be given the death penalty.

 

[outside shooter]

People who are objecting to any comparison of the Penn State and OSU abuse cases are missing a key point.

Nobody is equating what Jim Jordan did with what Jerry Sandusky did. Those making the comparison are equating what Jim Jordan didn't do with what Joe Paterno didn't do. They both heard about illegal activity and chose to ignore it, minimize it, or whistle and hope it would just go away.

 

[BradStevens]

Six former wrestlers say Rep. Jim Jordan knew about abusive OSU doctor

Despite the former coach's claims that he knew nothing of sexual misconduct allegations against team doctor Richard Strauss, multiple wrestlers say they witnessed him being told directly.

amp.cnn.com

As I read that, all I could think is: we are oh-so-close to having a former assistant college wrestling coach as the Speaker of the House.

How far we've fallen as a serious nation.

 

[zeke4ahs]

MSU is far worse. Nassar was doing that to underage girls. Again, these are 18-22 year old men. And they are wrestlers.

If they "trusted" him after he grabbed their scrotums, then can we really call that "abuse?" I don't think it fits, although I don't know what I'd call it.

Again, if you're Jordan, an assistant coach and a guy comes to you and says "man, our trainer is really handsy," in the 1980s, that's not really something many people were on the look out for.

I think this is a really murky area, and I'm not one for any quarter for child molesters and abusers. I believe they should be given the death penalty.

A guy maybe, multiple guys no. And I don’t really see what wrestlers have to do with it. They could have beaten him up, I guess? He lied, and told them it could be related to prostate or something, as Nassar lied and told the girls it was a vaginal massage. The guy ended up committing suicide.

 

[NewKidsOnTheBlock]

So this guy was a a trainer at OSU for two decades. How many assistant coaches, coaches, and other people in positions of authority with the wrestling program came and went during that time, knew of the alleged “abuse”?

Dozens? Hundreds?

Why exactly is Jim Jordan being singled out, other than him being a public person and Democrats are desperate for an attack vector?

These people are pathetic partisan shit shows. Not to be listened to or engaged with. Ill-developed pieces of human trash.

 

[zeke4ahs]

So this guy was a a trainer at OSU for two decades. How many assistant coaches, coaches, and other people in positions of authority with the wrestling program came and went during that time, knew of the alleged “abuse”?

Dozens? Hundreds?

Why exactly is Jim Jordan being singled out, other than him being a public person and Democrats are desperate for an attack vector?

These people are pathetic partisan shit shows. Not to be listened to or engaged with. Ill-developed pieces of human trash.

Uh because he was an assistant coach and they told him. Human trash are people who make excuses for those kind of people.

 

[BradStevens]

A guy maybe, multiple guys no. And I don’t really see what wrestlers have to do with it. They could have beaten him up, I guess? He lied, and told them it could be related to prostate or something, as Nassar lied and told the girls it was a vaginal massage. The guy ended up committing suicide.

I’m not arguing the doc wasn’t a pervert.

I’m arguing it is explainable why Jordan didn’t do anything at that time without him being evil or morally reprehensible.

If the wrestlers themselves were confused about the docs dissembling, why wouldn’t Jordan be? Again, he is wrestling coach: not the brightest, most curious profession out there. And he’s talking with men in prime physical condition who pride themselves on being the toughest SOBs around.

 

[mattndallas]

I dunno man.

I'm inclined to think that if complaints were made, underlings like Jordan probably elevated them, and were told to shut the eff up if they wanted to continue in their current profession. Sounds like even in his current position, Jordan's not ratting out what was going on there...

which makes me think there were some high dollar regents hanging around looking at guys dicks with Strauss. Powerful dudes that even Jordan won't expose.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Money.

there's always some percentage out there trying to get paid. saw that with the priest cases.
sir, do you recall what month this event occurred?
can't say that i do.
hmmm. do you recall the year?
i mean. i don't remember all the particulars. but i mean he got me. i know he got me for sure.
mhmm.

so about 200 people. 60 million paid out. averages 300k. not much dough to be honest. coh got more than that from the drunk that hit him. i think most of the years people were pretty aware of this stuff. abuse. they may not have used that word but they knew. there was a great soccer club here called The Voyagers. They were US national champions. the coach sodomized a couple of players. that was the early 80s. then i remember countless catholic school scandals throughout the 80s

 

[Marvin the Martian]

There seems to be a lot of "wrestlers would not put up with this", I'm not sure that's true. I don't know what happened. But people of all stripes tend to give in to authority, especially young athletes. They had scholarships they were worried about. We know all sorts of bizarre hazing used to go on, in sports, greek houses, military. People largely accepted it as the cost of getting what one wanted. And in the Sandusky case, we know the "I've reported it, they must be looking into it so I shouldn't do anything more" came into play and might of here. Along with "they won't believe me over a doctor".

I have no idea what Jordan knew, or what the doctor exactly did. The wrestlers seem fairly uniform that something wrong was happening. It doesn't seem likely to me that many people got onto phone calls and said, "Hey, let's make up a story and get rich". Further, admitting this stuff would largely be embarrassing to the wrestlers. But of course, it is possible. It is possible their minds have made it all out to be worse than it really was, memories do that. So I'm not saying Jordan is definitely guilty of anything. I'm just saying it is also impossible to say that he clearly knew nothing.

So we're all stuck largely deciding based on our politics. For me, we know McCarthy is a "legislative terrorist" and I'm not a fan of a terrorist being the Speaker.

 

[TomEric4756]

I don't mind Jordan, but please don't wish another Nancy Pelosi on this country. She did more to destroy the US than Benedict Arnold.

Her antics of tearing up her State of the Union speech was childish and indicative of the unseriousness of the Democrats to govern.

Nancy was about Democratic Party power 1st and always … Have to pass it before the public can read it and HR 1 requiring all states to mail out ballots and set up ballot boxes proved that. Trump couldn’t get a DACCA deal done, as the new citizens wouldn’t be beholden to Dems for citizenship… and might not reliably vote Democratic.

 

[outside shooter]

So this guy was a a trainer at OSU for two decades. How many assistant coaches, coaches, and other people in positions of authority with the wrestling program came and went during that time, knew of the alleged “abuse”?

Dozens? Hundreds?

Right now, OSU's wrestling program has one head coach and three assistant coaches.

4 people.

Let's assume that this is typical for the history of the program and that any coach leaves every 5 years or so and is replaced by a new one. that would be 4 entire staffs, over 20 years. Probably a MUCH higher turnover than actually occurs, but I'll be generous. I'm sure someone could look up the exact number.

4 x 4 = 16.

Not dozens.
Not hundreds.
Not even close.

 

[dbmhoosier]

It takes one to know one.

 

[DANC]

The investigation said he was taking guys out to dinner, then blowing them.

Had random dudes (I'm assuming Strauss's "friends") hanging around the shower room.

I agree, this sounds so "no effing way that happens", but it sounds like it was downplayed as "ah, don't worry about it" for some reason.

Were there Regents or other university execs or something that would hang with Strauss? Who was pulling the strings to downplay this?

I mean, Jordan could have taken it up the ladder, and told to "shut the **** up" if he wanted to keep his low-paying job as a college wrestling coach. Definite John Dupont vibes here.

Wait - are they saying gay sex is sexual abuse???

Uh oh......

 

[DANC]

So this guy was a a trainer at OSU for two decades. How many assistant coaches, coaches, and other people in positions of authority with the wrestling program came and went during that time, knew of the alleged “abuse”?

Dozens? Hundreds?

Why exactly is Jim Jordan being singled out, other than him being a public person and Democrats are desperate for an attack vector?

These people are pathetic partisan shit shows. Not to be listened to or engaged with. Ill-developed pieces of human trash.

These are the same people who think it's perfectly normal for a male to go around naked in a locker room full of women if he claims he is a woman.

You can't make this shit up.

 

[DANC]

As I read that, all I could think is: we are oh-so-close to having a former assistant college wrestling coach as the Speaker of the House.

How far we've fallen as a serious nation.

That bothers you more than Biden sniffing young girls' hair and getting handsy with women?

 

[UncleMark]

As I read that, all I could think is: we are oh-so-close to having a former assistant college wrestling coach as the Speaker of the House.

How far we've fallen as a serious nation.

Rep. Hasbert says Hi.

 

[BradStevens]

There seems to be a lot of "wrestlers would not put up with this", I'm not sure that's true. I don't know what happened. But people of all stripes tend to give in to authority, especially young athletes. They had scholarships they were worried about. We know all sorts of bizarre hazing used to go on, in sports, greek houses, military. People largely accepted it as the cost of getting what one wanted. And in the Sandusky case, we know the "I've reported it, they must be looking into it so I shouldn't do anything more" came into play and might of here. Along with "they won't believe me over a doctor".

I have no idea what Jordan knew, or what the doctor exactly did. The wrestlers seem fairly uniform that something wrong was happening. It doesn't seem likely to me that many people got onto phone calls and said, "Hey, let's make up a story and get rich". Further, admitting this stuff would largely be embarrassing to the wrestlers. But of course, it is possible. It is possible their minds have made it all out to be worse than it really was, memories do that. So I'm not saying Jordan is definitely guilty of anything. I'm just saying it is also impossible to say that he clearly knew nothing.

So we're all stuck largely deciding based on our politics. For me, we know McCarthy is a "legislative terrorist" and I'm not a fan of a terrorist being the Speaker.

A few things: let’s remember Jordan was only 24 himself when he showed up as an assistant at OSU, just a few years older than the athletes themselves. What are we to make of the hundreds of wrestlers who knew about this and said nothing?

Also, I think the culpability of someone who didn’t blow the whistle is in a sliding scale relationship to the severity of the underlying action.

There seems to be a lot of "wrestlers would not put up with this", I'm not sure that's true. I don't know what happened. But people of all stripes tend to give in to authority, especially young athletes. They had scholarships they were worried about. We know all sorts of bizarre hazing used to go on, in sports, greek houses, military. People largely accepted it as the cost of getting what one wanted. And in the Sandusky case, we know the "I've reported it, they must be looking into it so I shouldn't do anything more" came into play and might of here. Along with "they won't believe me over a doctor".

I have no idea what Jordan knew, or what the doctor exactly did. The wrestlers seem fairly uniform that something wrong was happening. It doesn't seem likely to me that many people got onto phone calls and said, "Hey, let's make up a story and get rich". Further, admitting this stuff would largely be embarrassing to the wrestlers. But of course, it is possible. It is possible their minds have made it all out to be worse than it really was, memories do that. So I'm not saying Jordan is definitely guilty of anything. I'm just saying it is also impossible to say that he clearly knew nothing.

So we're all stuck largely deciding based on our politics. For me, we know McCarthy is a "legislative terrorist" and I'm not a fan of a terrorist being the Speaker.

I think he heard a lot and knew the doc was a pervert. I think if he really called that player afterwards and blubbered about not telling anyone about him, he’s a coward.

But I don’t think any of this puts him in the same universe as Paterno or the Nassar group. The underlying bad acts just aren’t as reprehensible, I don’t think, and he had less reason to think people were really being harmed.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

A few things: let’s remember Jordan was only 24 himself when he showed up as an assistant at OSU, just a few years older than the athletes themselves. What are we to make of the hundreds of wrestlers who knew about this and said nothing?

Also, I think the culpability of someone who didn’t blow the whistle is in a sliding scale relationship to the severity of the underlying action.

I think he heard a lot and knew the doc was a pervert. I think if he really called that player afterwards and blubbered about not telling anyone about him, he’s a coward.

But I don’t think any of this puts him in the same universe as Paterno or the Nassar group. The underlying bad acts just aren’t as reprehensible, I don’t think, and he had less reason to think people were really being harmed.

It certainly wasn't Nassar. Like I said, this isn't why I hope he suffers the most humiliating defeat in history. He's a bomb thrower, I get my way 100% or I pull the pin. With a D Senate and a D president, I don't see how an R legislative terrorist gets anything at all done. I know some are happy if the government shut down and no one in government or military were paid for years, that isn't me. We need people wheeling, dealing, and compromising.

In addition to the legislative terrorist comment, Boehner said that many on his right hand no interest in governing, they just wanted to say no to absolutely everything. I am sure that is Jordan.

I suspect he will get the votes. I hope the moderates at least wrangle a Ukraine floor vote as many on the far right are trying to block it.

 

[Spartans9312]

 

[DANC]

It certainly wasn't Nassar. Like I said, this isn't why I hope he suffers the most humiliating defeat in history. He's a bomb thrower, I get my way 100% or I pull the pin. With a D Senate and a D president, I don't see how an R legislative terrorist gets anything at all done. I know some are happy if the government shut down and no one in government or military were paid for years, that isn't me. We need people wheeling, dealing, and compromising.

In addition to the legislative terrorist comment, Boehner said that many on his right hand no interest in governing, they just wanted to say no to absolutely everything. I am sure that is Jordan.

I suspect he will get the votes. I hope the moderates at least wrangle a Ukraine floor vote as many on the far right are trying to block it.

The reason the right appears to be that way is because they see things like a $32 Trillion debt and trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.

They see things like American cities being turned into shitholes.

They see things like criminals having free reign in American cities.

They see a wide open border where anyone can cross and then claim welfare benefits.

They see that the President they supported was set up by the FBI about 'Russian Collusion' and then Democrat efforts to impeach him from his first day in office.

Why would they support anything that furthers this condition?

 

[Bowlmania]

The reason the right appears to be that way is because they see things like a $32 Trillion debt and trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.

They see things like American cities being turned into shitholes.

They see things like criminals having free reign in American cities.

They see a wide open border where anyone can cross and then claim welfare benefits.

They see that the President they supported was set up by the FBI about 'Russian Collusion' and then Democrat efforts to impeach him from his first day in office.

Why would they support anything that furthers this condition?

The border's a mess and the Biden administration to date has badly botched it, both in strategy and messaging.

The rest of your post is your usual uninformed nonsense.

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

www.propublica.org

FBI: Murders and rapes dropped in 2022, most hate crimes were targeted to Blacks and Jews

The FBI's release of 2022 crime statistics showed a drop in murders and rapes. Anti-Black and anti-Jewish attacks continued to lead in hate crimes.

www.usatoday.com

Murder rate falls 6 percent nationally: FBI

The murder rate in the United States fell 6.1 percent in 2022, according to new data from the FBI. The FBI’s annual crime report, released Monday, found that violent crime in the U.S. last ye…

thehill.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

The border's a mess and the Biden administration to date has badly botched it, both in strategy and messaging.

The rest of your post is your usual uninformed nonsense.

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

www.propublica.org

FBI: Murders and rapes dropped in 2022, most hate crimes were targeted to Blacks and Jews

The FBI's release of 2022 crime statistics showed a drop in murders and rapes. Anti-Black and anti-Jewish attacks continued to lead in hate crimes.

www.usatoday.com

Murder rate falls 6 percent nationally: FBI

The murder rate in the United States fell 6.1 percent in 2022, according to new data from the FBI. The FBI’s annual crime report, released Monday, found that violent crime in the U.S. last ye…

thehill.com

the salient comparison is to 2019 and the biden years. not a one year comparison. what's more you're seeing a move away from progressive defund police progressive das etc. so it's not because of the biden admin and progressives it's more a recoiling against the progressive early biden years and rhetoric that were a disaster for cities. more cops and prosecutors actually prosecuting are good for crime reduction. basically the opposite of whatever a progressive thinks, do. the biden presidency has been an abject failure to anyone with a hint of objectivity