Mayor Pete

[Hoopsdoc1978]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html
“14 years after the sentences were vacated due to DNA evidence...”

Again, the sentences weren’t “vacated” due to DNA evidence. That’s just wrong.

The panel disputed Reyes's claim that he alone had raped the jogger.[39][64][65] It insisted there was "nothing but his uncorroborated word" that he acted alone.[64] Armstrong said the panel believed "the word of a serial rapist killer is not something to be heavily relied upon."[64] The report concluded that the five men whose convictions had been vacated had "most likely" participated in the beating and rape of the jogger and that the "most likely scenario" was that "both the defendants and Reyes assaulted her, perhaps successively."[39][64] The report said Reyes had most likely "either joined in the attack as it was ending or waited until the defendants had moved on to their next victims before descending upon her himself, raping her and inflicting upon her the brutal injuries that almost caused her death."[39][64]

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Mayor Pete killed it on The View yesterday. He was devastating when it came to the hypocrosy of, I'll just say many, in the Religious Right.

 

[zeke4ahs]

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down-on-the-central-park-five.html
“14 years after the sentences were vacated due to DNA evidence...”

Again, the sentences weren’t “vacated” due to DNA evidence. That’s just wrong.

The panel disputed Reyes's claim that he alone had raped the jogger.[39][64][65] It insisted there was "nothing but his uncorroborated word" that he acted alone.[64] Armstrong said the panel believed "the word of a serial rapist killer is not something to be heavily relied upon."[64] The report concluded that the five men whose convictions had been vacated had "most likely" participated in the beating and rape of the jogger and that the "most likely scenario" was that "both the defendants and Reyes assaulted her, perhaps successively."[39][64] The report said Reyes had most likely "either joined in the attack as it was ending or waited until the defendants had moved on to their next victims before descending upon her himself, raping her and inflicting upon her the brutal injuries that almost caused her death."[39][64]

So where’s the DNA? The NYT was incorrect?

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

go to YouTube & watch his town hall on CNN or interview on Morning Joe.

Extremely well versed and easy to listen to. The more people that hear him, the more they will like him.

I was out yesterday watching the games at a local sports bar when the news came out about the report. Everyone was talking about it at the bar. What I found interesting is a few lifetime Dems at the bar were talking about the party losing its way and they don’t recognize it anymore. One voted Trump the previous election cycle because of the direction he thought Hillarious would take the party. Now they feel the party is waaaaay out and are considering changing party’s..... wow.

In the end, I think all the long term leadership will retire as they lose control and eventually the socialists will be voted out when people actually vote in the midterms. The results is a weakened Democrat party searching for a base after turning away from the Jewish vote, white vote, straight vote, and proud to be an American vote. Well, I guess we do know who the Dems are don’t we? They make it clear what they are against.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

So where’s the DNA? The NYT was incorrect?

I don’t know what the opinion article in the New York Times claimed, because I don’t have a subscription. But if the guy who wrote the article said that, than yes, he is wrong.

 

[iu_a_att]

Just made my donation to Mayor Pete. Looks like the best of the crowd to me.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

So where’s the DNA? The NYT was incorrect?

Someone else confessed, and his DNA matched the sample. That is, indeed, one of the major factors behind vacating the convictions.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Someone else confessed, and his DNA matched the sample. That is, indeed, one of the major factors behind vacating the convictions.

From Pete to CP5, one can get whiplash here. That said, take this Daily Beast article for whatever you want. But if you read the section on the Armstrong Report it suggests the evidence used was fairly minimal. That makes sense, if there was strong evidence I doubt there convictions would have been vacated and a settlement paid.

 

[DrHoops]

No way this happened.

I was out yesterday watching the games at a local sports bar when the news came out about the report. Everyone was talking about it at the bar. What I found interesting is a few lifetime Dems at the bar were talking about the party losing its way and they don’t recognize it anymore. One voted Trump the previous election cycle because of the direction he thought Hillarious would take the party. Now they feel the party is waaaaay out and are considering changing party’s..... wow.

In the end, I think all the long term leadership will retire as they lose control and eventually the socialists will be voted out when people actually vote in the midterms. The results is a weakened Democrat party searching for a base after turning away from the Jewish vote, white vote, straight vote, and proud to be an American vote. Well, I guess we do know who the Dems are don’t we? They make it clear what they are against.

 

[Hoosier_Hack]

I way this happened.

I way too happened

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

From Pete to CP5, one can get whiplash here. That said, take this Daily Beast article for whatever you want. But if you read the section on the Armstrong Report it suggests the evidence used was fairly minimal. That makes sense, if there was strong evidence I doubt there convictions would have been vacated and a settlement paid.

I read that article. My takeaways were basically the two things I already thought about the case:

1. We don't know if they were actually innocent or not.
2. The Armstrong Report was a farce.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

From Pete to CP5, one can get whiplash here. That said, take this Daily Beast article for whatever you want. But if you read the section on the Armstrong Report it suggests the evidence used was fairly minimal. That makes sense, if there was strong evidence I doubt there convictions would have been vacated and a settlement paid.

While Bloomberg was mayor, the city had no intention of settling the case brought by the 5 suspects, because the city attorneys were certain they would win. They never got the chance because De Blasio became mayor and immediately settled, for whatever reason.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I read that article. My takeaways were basically the two things I already thought about the case:

1. We don't know if they were actually innocent or not.
2. The Armstrong Report was a farce.

Why was the Armstrong report a farce?

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Someone else confessed, and his DNA matched the sample. That is, indeed, one of the major factors behind vacating the convictions.

Right, but that didn’t “exonerate” the CP 5.

In fact, the medical examiner said it was highly unlikely that the woman was assaulted by a lone assailant.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Why was the Armstrong report a farce?

Reyes' DNA proved he raped the jogger. His account was inconsistent with the various confessions, which were themselves inconsistent with each other, as well as with the evidence. The Armstrong Report provided no new evidence supporting the guilt of the CP5, and it did nothing to adequately contest the legal reasoning that led to the vacation of the verdicts. It was, essentially, propaganda.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

In fact, the medical examiner said it was highly unlikely that the woman was assaulted by a lone assailant.

This is factually inaccurate. The medical examiner said it was impossible to tell from her injuries how many people were involved.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

This is factually inaccurate. The medical examiner said it was impossible to tell from her injuries how many people were involved.

No, it’s not factually inaccurate. The two doctors who ACTUALLY examined her said her injuries were inconsistent with Reyes acting alone. It wasn’t until later on, at the trial and after, that it was claimed that it was impossible to tell. Now, I don’t know about you, but I’ll take the word of the people who actually saw her injuries.

As for the Armstrong report being propaganda, that seems highly unlikely. Why would Michael Armstrong, chief counsel of the Knapp report which exposed corruption in the New York police force in the 70’s, release propaganda helping them in this case? That makes no sense.

Furthermore, we know they committed other crimes that night because they confessed to other crimes. Why those confessions were also thrown out is murky at best.

So, we know they were in the park that night, we know they almost certainly committed other crimes that night, and according to the Armstrong report, they more than likely helped assault the jogger.

That’s a whole heckuva lot of smoke for their being no fire.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No, it’s not factually inaccurate. The two doctors who ACTUALLY examined her said her injuries were inconsistent with Reyes acting alone. It wasn’t until later on, at the trial and after, that it was claimed that it was impossible to tell. Now, I don’t know about you, but I’ll take the word of the people who actually saw her injuries.

The two doctors who treated her injuries in the hospital said that. The medical examiner did not; he said it was impossible to tell. Your original statement was factually inaccurate.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Furthermore, we know they committed other crimes that night because they confessed to other crimes. Why those confessions were also thrown out is murky at best.

They were thrown out because they confessed to those crimes at the same time they confessed to the rape, and those confessions were all deemed to be highly questionable.

So, we know they were in the park that night, we know they almost certainly committed other crimes that night, and according to the Armstrong report, they more than likely helped assault the jogger.

That’s a whole heckuva lot of smoke for their being no fire.

Look at you, arguing "smoke means fire" in one case, but not in another. I wonder why Kavanaugh deserves the benefit of your doubt, but five teenagers from NYC do not.

 

[Lucy01]

They were thrown out because they confessed to those crimes at the same time they confessed to the rape, and those confessions were all deemed to be highly questionable.


Look at you, arguing "smoke means fire" in one case, but not in another. I wonder why Kavanaugh deserves the benefit of your doubt, but five teenagers from NYC do not.

Well let’s see, could be all 5 teenagers had police records!

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Look at you, arguing "smoke means fire" in one case, but not in another. I wonder why Kavanaugh deserves the benefit of your doubt, but five teenagers from NYC do not.

Wow. That might be the worst analogy I’ve ever seen. Even from a partisan hack such as yourself.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Even from a partisan hack such as yourself.

That's hilarious.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

They were thrown out because they confessed to those crimes at the same time they confessed to the rape, and those confessions were all deemed to be highly questionable.


Look at you, arguing "smoke means fire" in one case, but not in another. I wonder why Kavanaugh deserves the benefit of your doubt, but five teenagers from NYC do not.

Kavanaugh didn’t confess on video to the rape with adult family members present like the CP5 did.

Kavanaugh didn’t tell the cops on the way to the precinct that he didn’t rape the woman, he only felt her tits, BEFORE the cops mentioned anything about a rape like Santana did.

Kavanaugh didn’t say, “damn, that’s a lot of blood. I knew the woman was bleeding but I didn’t know how bad she was. It was dark” when taken by the police to the crime scene, the way Kory Wise did.

If any of these things had happened with Kavanaugh, I’d be protesting with you.

That’s all publically available info, by the way.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Kavanaugh didn’t confess on video to the rape with adult family members present like the CP5 did.

Kavanaugh didn’t tell the cops on the way to the precinct that he didn’t rape the woman, he only felt her tits, BEFORE the cops mentioned anything about a rape like Santana did.

Kavanaugh didn’t say, “damn, that’s a lot of blood. I knew the woman was bleeding but I didn’t know how bad she was. It was dark” when taken by the police to the crime scene, the way Kory Wise did.

If any of these things had happened with Kavanaugh, I’d be protesting with you.

That’s all publically available info, by the way.

Uh huh. Keep digging.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Uh huh. Keep digging.

Tap out acknowledged.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

@zeke4ahs

Mayor Pete jumps to third in new Iowa poll.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/435520-buttigieg-surges-to-third-place-in-new-iowa-poll

 

[Fro]

https://emersonpolling.reportablene...ratic-field-mayor-pete-jumps-to-double-digits

Massive margin of error (+/- 6) and small sample size for the very-hard-to-poll Iowa caucus, but Mayor Pete is at 11% in this Emerson poll.

 

[hoosboot]

https://emersonpolling.reportablene...ratic-field-mayor-pete-jumps-to-double-digits

Massive margin of error (+/- 6) and small sample size for the very-hard-to-poll Iowa caucus, but Mayor Pete is at 11% in this Emerson poll.

What this tells me is that most numbers reflect name recognition more than anything else. Buttigieg has gotten a lot of favorable press from his strong media event performances and it's reflected in his surge. Other top tier candidates (Warren, Harris, and Booker) have already had that moment. The key for all of those candidates is having a 2nd act to build on the beachhead that they've established. And it's interesting that Kirsten Gillibrand and Amy Klobuchar were bested by "someone else". Their rollouts haven't gone so well yet, but Gilibrand has the chance to make her impression with her upcoming announcement.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Mayor Peter is in New York, outlining his platform for Black voters if he wins the presidency, which includes “a bill that would study reparations”.

He also “explained”, re apologized, for his 2015 use of the phrase “all lives matter”.

He’s just another loon in a long line of Democrat loons.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/05/710080667/pete-buttigieg-explains-his-agenda-for-black-voters

 

[zeke4ahs]

Mayor Peter is in New York, outlining his platform for Black voters if he wins the presidency, which includes “a bill that would study reparations”.

He also “explained”, re apologized, for his 2015 use of the phrase “all lives matter”.

He’s just another loon in a long line of Democrat loons.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/05/710080667/pete-buttigieg-explains-his-agenda-for-black-voters

Republican talking about loons? Lol
Sure the guy from the Midwest, who served in the military, speaks 7 languages, is a concert pianist, among other things is just another loon. Whatever makes you feel good as you watch the leader of your party spout gibberish as everyone else bows to him.

 

[Thyrsis]

Mayor Peter is in New York, outlining his platform for Black voters if he wins the presidency, which includes “a bill that would study reparations”.

He also “explained”, re apologized, for his 2015 use of the phrase “all lives matter”.

He’s just another loon in a long line of Democrat loons.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/05/710080667/pete-buttigieg-explains-his-agenda-for-black-voters

This is always a good challenge. Articulate the rationale for what your opponent says. Not your preferred interpretation. Rather, regardless of whether you agree or not, explain why the person said what they did. If you can't, you don't understand (again, regardless of whether you agree or not). The challenge is to comprehend what the argument is.

So, why would Buttigieg think he needs to explain prior use of the phrase "all lives matter"? Why would he have some interest in considering reparations?

 

[IDontWannaLargeFarva]

So, why would Buttigieg think he needs to explain prior use of the phrase "all lives matter"? Why would he have some interest in considering reparations?

The answer why is simple, Buttigieg doesn’t actually believe those things, he’s too smart.

But such pandering is table stakes for a Democratic nominee.

 

[Thyrsis]

The answer why is simple, Buttigieg doesn’t actually believe those things, he’s to smart to.

But such pandering is table stakes for a Democratic nominee.

Non-answer.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

This is always a good challenge. Articulate the rationale for what your opponent says. Not your preferred interpretation. Rather, regardless of whether you agree or not, explain why the person said what they did. If you can't, you don't understand (again, regardless of whether you agree or not). The challenge is to comprehend what the argument is.

So, why would Buttigieg think he needs to explain prior use of the phrase "all lives matter"? Why would he have some interest in considering reparations?

Farva gave you the answer.

 

[Thyrsis]

Farva gave you the answer.

Then you just proved my point.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Republican talking about loons? Lol
Sure the guy from the Midwest, who served in the military, speaks 7 languages, is a concert pianist, among other things is just another loon. Whatever makes you feel good as you watch the leader of your party spout gibberish as everyone else bows to him.

Other things: Harvard magna cum laude, Rhodes Scholar, Consultant at Mckinzey, Naval Intelligence Officer. Yeah, just another loon.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Mayor Peter is in New York, outlining his platform for Black voters if he wins the presidency, which includes “a bill that would study reparations”.

He also “explained”, re apologized, for his 2015 use of the phrase “all lives matter”.

He’s just another loon in a long line of Democrat loons.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/05/710080667/pete-buttigieg-explains-his-agenda-for-black-voters

I just had that article to link, because I assume you hadn’t read it to call him a loon. I’m afraid the fact that you did and still called him that says a lot more about you than it does about him.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

This is always a good challenge. Articulate the rationale for what your opponent says. Not your preferred interpretation. Rather, regardless of whether you agree or not, explain why the person said what they did. If you can't, you don't understand (again, regardless of whether you agree or not). The challenge is to comprehend what the argument is.

So, why would Buttigieg think he needs to explain prior use of the phrase "all lives matter"? Why would he have some interest in considering reparations?

In case no one has said it recently, Thyrsis, you're one of the best posters here.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Mass poll has Mayor Pete 4th, behind Biden, Sanders, and Warren. If you think about it, that's about the best anyone else could possibly wish for in that state.

https://emersonpolling.reportablene...0-sanders-biden-lead-warren-in-her-home-state

Dude is really doing all the right things to make himself a player in this election.

 

[MrBing]

Mass poll has Mayor Pete 4th, behind Biden, Sanders, and Warren. If you think about it, that's about the best anyone else could possibly wish for in that state.

https://emersonpolling.reportablene...0-sanders-biden-lead-warren-in-her-home-state

Dude is really doing all the right things to make himself a player in this election.

I like him more everytime I hear him or read about him. He's moving up on my list.