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Market Major Correction Coming

Maybe I have been hearing about a market correction for five years now. The only thing that will likely do it is if the feds actually take the punch bowl away and make some major rate hikes. I still do not think they will do it because they know at that point the gig is up. They have talked about raising rates for years but never do it.

5 years? I've been reading/ hearing about pending economic collapse for the 10+ years I've been on here.

There used to be a crazy coot on here that ranted about Obama and Bernanke daily back in 2010-12.... predictions of hyperinflation and market crashes.....he would argue with @JamieDimonsBalls ....was so long ago it was Jamie's old username.

WC posters have correctly predicted 56 of the last 4 market corrections.
 
5 years? I've been reading/ hearing about pending economic collapse for the 10+ years I've been on here.

There used to be a crazy coot on here that ranted about Obama and Bernanke daily back in 2010-12.... predictions of hyperinflation and market crashes.....he would argue with @JamieDimonsBalls ....was so long ago it was Jamie's old username.

WC posters have correctly predicted 56 of the last 4 market corrections.
Wasn't it IU1?

AM radio has been hawking gold for the next collapse since 2008. That collapse has been seconds away.
 
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5 years? I've been reading/ hearing about pending economic collapse for the 10+ years I've been on here.

There used to be a crazy coot on here that ranted about Obama and Bernanke daily back in 2010-12.... predictions of hyperinflation and market crashes.....he would argue with @JamieDimonsBalls ....was so long ago it was Jamie's old username.

WC posters have correctly predicted 56 of the last 4 market corrections.

Wasn't it IU1?

AM radio has been hawking gold for the next collapse since 2008. That collapse has been seconds away.

Yep, he was all in on Zero Hedge. If you had been following Tyler Durden (FWIW, one of the best cinematic characters in the history of movies, but I digress) since the last recession, you would have missed out on a ton of return vs. investing in the S&P 500.

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Right now inflation is a global problem. As near as I can tell everyone but Japan. Maybe we are to blame for Russia's inflation? Or maybe the world is struggling to deal with a disease born economic problem. If the US has caused worldwide inflation there might be a long-term problem. If it is just the world struggling with a disease, omicron might solve it.

 
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You could easily buy a lot of put options without selling much of anything, since you are so sure you can predict the market.
I am not sure of anything. I am worried another crash in on the horizon.
 
I am not sure of anything. I am worried another crash in on the horizon.

What twenty is suggesting is to buy OTM puts if you believe the market is doomed for a big sell off. You don't have to put up a ton of capital to make some heft profits.
 
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I don’t have 5 years to wait while I lose 30-40% with the idiots we have running the country the next 3 years. Did I say idiots? Yes I did. The most incompetent administration in history.
Typically markets don't crash violently because of a government policy, so if that's your concern that's driving you to seriously consider making moves because you anticipate a massive decline....that's not a reason that's happened.

Actually, all of the major 40% drops have happened primarily under Republican presidents in my lifetime.

1987-Reagan
1991-Bush Sr
2000-Clinton
2001-Bush Jr
2002-Bush Jr
2008-Bush Jr
2020-Trump

More importantly, there's typically a global reason vs bad policy that is the reason for the crash. Typically those global reasons are from bubbles popping (1987 Savings and Loan deregulation, 2000 internet followed by 9/11 followed by a confusing war, 2008 housing bubble from deregulation, 2020 initial Covid reaction).

That being said, inflation particularly global inflation is something that could kick off some serious selling pressure.

Anyway as Twenty and Jamie said, if you're really concerned you can buy put options to kindof freeze/hedge your account without selling your current position (even though you'll need to pay taxes when you sell your hedge) and if you're right and the market crashes you could potentially make more than what you're going to lose on the way down.

My simpleton investing advice is to keep things simple with easy entry and exit levels. For example, buy an ETF based on it's price from two years ago. When it crosses below, sell it. When it crosses above, buy it.

Simple and boring.

Gets you in the market during run ups, gives you enough space to endure minor corrections but gets you out when it capsizes.

If you don't like the capital gains tax then move to Puerto Rico (which doesn't have a capital gains tax and gets away with it being a US territory vs state).
 
Typically markets don't crash violently because of a government policy, so if that's your concern that's driving you to seriously consider making moves because you anticipate a massive decline....that's not a reason that's happened.

Actually, all of the major 40% drops have happened primarily under Republican presidents in my lifetime.

1987-Reagan
1991-Bush Sr
2000-Clinton
2001-Bush Jr
2002-Bush Jr
2008-Bush Jr
2020-Trump

More importantly, there's typically a global reason vs bad policy that is the reason for the crash. Typically those global reasons are from bubbles popping (1987 Savings and Loan deregulation, 2000 internet followed by 9/11 followed by a confusing war, 2008 housing bubble from deregulation, 2020 initial Covid reaction).

That being said, inflation particularly global inflation is something that could kick off some serious selling pressure.

Anyway as Twenty and Jamie said, if you're really concerned you can buy put options to kindof freeze/hedge your account without selling your current position (even though you'll need to pay taxes when you sell your hedge) and if you're right and the market crashes you could potentially make more than what you're going to lose on the way down.

My simpleton investing advice is to keep things simple with easy entry and exit levels. For example, buy an ETF based on it's price from two years ago. When it crosses below, sell it. When it crosses above, buy it.

Simple and boring.

Gets you in the market during run ups, gives you enough space to endure minor corrections but gets you out when it capsizes.

If you don't like the capital gains tax then move to Puerto Rico (which doesn't have a capital gains tax and gets away with it being a US territory vs state).
Wasn’t criticizing the capital gain tax.
 
the war on cap gains has already begun
Ha ha I was just recently reading how these crypto billionaires are all moving to PR.

Since the majority of my income these days is investment income, it did make me go hmmmm.

At least there are options if the capital gains rate gets severely jacked.
 
I am not sure of anything. I am worried another crash in on the horizon.

Otm puts are basically portfolio insurance. Like all insurance, you pay a premium for the protection. But it could be a much better option than selling and being hit with CG tax.
If nothing else, use market corrections for tax loss harvesting... and Roth conversions.

Honestly sounds to me as if you're portfolio is too aggressive for your age and risk tolerance.
 
You could easily buy a lot of put options without selling much of anything, since you are so sure you can predict the market.
Yeah I saw an interview with Mark Cuban a week or so ago and he was saying that he hedging all the time and I would assume that is by buying put options. If the stock keeps going up you just lose that money. If not you've protected your downside. I've looked into it and I can never decide how far out to go with the put options. Of course the farther out you go the more expensive they are. I'd like to see what some of the experts do.
 
I can't tell without actually starting the process... would this be done as a single transaction with two people involved, or two totally separate purchases?
Each of you need an account at TreasuryDirect and you log into the respective account to buy what you want. For example, last night I logged into my account and bought some ibonds then logged into my wife's account and bought some. I logged in this morning and saw that the issue date was 1-1-22 so that was the reason I was telling Bill4411 to log on and see the date... but I think he's screwed.
 
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For those that work and save you better adjust your investments.

Biden’s spending, inflation and other polices are going to cause a major sell off in the market sooner rather than later.

Talk of the fed raising rates 5-6 times will lead the charge down.
Pharmaceutical companies are one of the places investors normally run to when they seek something more safe.
 
Pharmaceutical companies are one of the places investors normally run to when they seek something more safe.

You need an * at the end and then the footer:

* Past performance is not indicative of future results

Sorry, I just love when they try to sell anything and then have to put that sentence at the end which really says, "ignore absolutely everything else said in this ad".
 
You need an * at the end and then the footer:

* Past performance is not indicative of future results

Sorry, I just love when they try to sell anything and then have to put that sentence at the end which really says, "ignore absolutely everything else said in this ad".
I do too.... but there are people that believe that past performance does indicate future performance.
 
You need an * at the end and then the footer:

* Past performance is not indicative of future results

Sorry, I just love when they try to sell anything and then have to put that sentence at the end which really says, "ignore absolutely everything else said in this ad".
Don't forget the diarrhea, headaches, stomach cramps, sudden cardiac arrest, fever......
 
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5 years? I've been reading/ hearing about pending economic collapse for the 10+ years I've been on here.

There used to be a crazy coot on here that ranted about Obama and Bernanke daily back in 2010-12.... predictions of hyperinflation and market crashes.....he would argue with @JamieDimonsBalls ....was so long ago it was Jamie's old username.

WC posters have correctly predicted 56 of the last 4 market corrections.


ponzi schemes are shielded from "corrections", as long as there is constantly money being injected into the scheme.

the Fed has been the source of that constant money injection since 2008, to the tune of 17 plus trillion..

that's $170,000 plus per US household in looted money, except that the vast majority has gone to very few households, while the working class and bottom 70 plus % got basically zero.

how to time a totally rigged market, and when it will cease being rigged, is the goal today.

perhaps our nation's insider traders like our legislators, regulators, and party insiders/funders, will throw you guys a tip.

only difference between Madoff and today's market, is Madoff didn't have the Fed propping up his ponzi scheme with the US treasury's money.
 
ponzi schemes are shielded from "corrections", as long as there is constantly money being injected into the scheme.

the Fed has been the source of that constant money injection since 2008, to the tune of 17 plus trillion..

that's $170,000 plus per US household in looted money, except that the vast majority has gone to very few households, while the working class and bottom 70 plus % got basically zero.

how to time a totally rigged market, and when it will cease being rigged, is the goal today.

perhaps our nation's insider traders like our legislators, regulators, and party insiders/funders, will throw you guys a tip.

only difference between Madoff and today's market, is Madoff didn't have the Fed propping up his ponzi scheme with the US treasury's money.

I got way more than $170k. Thank you for the ponzi. Keep it up!
 
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5 years? I've been reading/ hearing about pending economic collapse for the 10+ years I've been on here.

There used to be a crazy coot on here that ranted about Obama and Bernanke daily back in 2010-12.... predictions of hyperinflation and market crashes.....he would argue with @JamieDimonsBalls ....was so long ago it was Jamie's old username.

WC posters have correctly predicted 56 of the last 4 market corrections.
Days like today I dont even look at my portfolio unless I am looking to buy. Look at yesterday pure panic right away and the market ended up for the day. Weak hands get shaken out easier when the market goes down 800 but it is all about being calm as the Nasdaq is still higher than it was a year ago.
 
ponzi schemes are shielded from "corrections", as long as there is constantly money being injected into the scheme.

the Fed has been the source of that constant money injection since 2008, to the tune of 17 plus trillion..

that's $170,000 plus per US household in looted money, except that the vast majority has gone to very few households, while the working class and bottom 70 plus % got basically zero.

how to time a totally rigged market, and when it will cease being rigged, is the goal today.

perhaps our nation's insider traders like our legislators, regulators, and party insiders/funders, will throw you guys a tip.

only difference between Madoff and today's market, is Madoff didn't have the Fed propping up his ponzi scheme with the US treasury's money.
You know, you could fool more people if you used capital letters at the beginnings of your sentences.
 
Days like today I dont even look at my portfolio unless I am looking to buy. Look at yesterday pure panic right away and the market ended up for the day. Weak hands get shaken out easier when the market goes down 800 but it is all about being calm as the Nasdaq is still higher than it was a year ago.
Yes. The S&P 500 only went down to where it was in September. There probably are some calculations that would make the drop look scary, but things were scary last September, too.
 
Who’s buying right now? Every day I’m cost average buying stocks and BTC only.
 
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Who’s buying right now? Every day I’m cost average buying stocks and BTC only.
Negative, but then my investment horizon is shorter than yours. So long as you're dollar cost averaging, my guess is that you'll be fine.

What's the alternative?

The real question is what sorts of investments do you choose to put your money in when it goes in there. Oil? Down. Growth? Down. Value? Down. Utilities? Down, but perhaps less so. Bonds? Down. Cash? Down . . . although the questions raised by the
Chinese bank run might implicate deflation somewhere down the road . . . .
 
Who’s buying right now? Every day I’m cost average buying stocks and BTC only.
I look for BTC to be the leading indicator for crypto. Alts won’t move until btc does. There’s no reason to add risk on top of risk with additional crypto currencies and projects. As for my other crypto I’m a long term holder still.
As for traditional stocks I have my broker make the picks as long as he’s cost average buying.
 
Negative, but then my investment horizon is shorter than yours. So long as you're dollar cost averaging, my guess is that you'll be fine.

What's the alternative?

The real question is what sorts of investments do you choose to put your money in when it goes in there. Oil? Down. Growth? Down. Value? Down. Utilities? Down, but perhaps less so. Bonds? Down. Cash? Down . . . although the questions raised by the
Chinese bank run might implicate deflation somewhere down the road . . . .
Sope, may I ask how old you are? Have you moved investments to fixed income? If so what age is this recommended or is really more about the dollars needed to safely retire?
 
I look for BTC to be the leading indicator for crypto. Alts won’t move until btc does. There’s no reason to add risk on top of risk with additional crypto currencies and projects. As for my other crypto I’m a long term holder still.
As for traditional stocks I have my broker make the picks as long as he’s cost average buying.
Broker? There's the problem. Your cost of ownership must be astronomical.

I'd want the broker's income based on the margin above what I could get for a VG ETF corresponding to the stocks s/he's picking. If that's not the case, then you're paying good money to place a losing bet in this market.
 
Sope, may I ask how old you are? Have you moved investments to fixed income? If so what age is this recommended or is really more about the dollars needed to safely retire?
Let's just say I'm younger than Mark and older than MTIOTF. So any way you figure it, I'm a geezer in terms of age.
 
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