Eh. Purdue isnt the only one just announcing collectives. For football, I'm future casting a little. It was never a two year rebuild though. If Purdue doesn't win 7 this year, it would be quite disappointing tbh. You have to look beyond wins in the first 4 years to see how good he was for Purdue football. Obviously you have to win, but through the first 4 years, it wasn't only about wins. Now it is.
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So, pretty much just like last season? I mean, which B1G team actually did something in the tourney?
If IU can have a top 10 defense, along with a top PG, and one of the better front court players, it’ll go a long way to having a chance to do something on the national stage. IU just needs a breakout year from Bates to be a pretty complete team.
Your Boilers last year had a very strong front court, a great SG, but no PG and no defense. I knew your weakness at the point and poor defense would sink you early in the tourney.
I agree. Iu needs Xavier to continue his strong play as well. I'm curious to see Bates this year. Didn't play as much as I thought he could, so he's a bit of an unknown to me.
Purdue really needed a PG last year, but I'd argue more than that, they needed a guard that could take control of the team as a leader. Didn't think Ivey was quite ready for that role, so imo, I felt Purdue had a bit of an identity crisis late. Think what that team would have looked like with someone like Dakota in place of Sasha. A floor general if you will. I don't disagree on your assessment, but it's a different angle I've thought.
If you don’t win 8 or 9 games this year it should be disappointing. Your schedule is garbage.
Dang, imagine what IU would have looked like last year with Jordy Hulls and Victor Oladipo.
I mean, ya. Add a top 5 pick and sure. I was moreso using Mathias as my example on lack of leadership vs just upgrading talent on the team with former players.
Anyways. I've been reading an outstanding book recently, so I'm going to pour a nightcap, dive into the book, and wind down for the night. Thanks for taking the time to have good civil discussion with me. I enjoyed it!
It has been 42 years, ... do you really believe pork chop can get a FF for the broilees? I don't, as he continues to recruit plodding players that were like him when he played. I hope he is at broileeville for the next 20 years. Like Keady, he will never get you to the promised land. How could the Peacocks and NTSU beat you, and you retain the guy? Oh...VCU just made another layup...LOL
Just not buying iu being the clear-cut best team in the conference. The fact anyone would put them there shows how down the league will be next season. I think it's going to be a very wide open league with a lot of teams that will have a chance to come out on top. No great teams, and another year the league will go without winning a championship in the tournament.
You are not buying it because you don't WANT to buy it.
You could very well be right but not many people can be unbiased when it comes to their hated rival.
I think everyone also universally agrees the B10 is down, but it's an entirely pre-emptive move on your part so just in case IU is as good as all the experts agree, you can say "yeah, but it was a down year in the conference!" Which teams don't have big question marks? Again, the one you don't want to acknowledge. We return 4 starters and most of our bench production with what reviews have made sound like a stellar freshmen group too. Even if XJ isn't the end of year XJ, we are likely better off behind him at PG with Hood Schifino, and many think he might start moving XJ to the 2.
I get how you'd mostly like to forget last year, but yes, to start I think PU and UM were both listed as favorites in conference and solidly top 10 in the country and in many folks top 5. IU's not quite that high, but as you've acknowledged, most everyone else has likely taken a step back and has many more question marks on the roster. You're entirely arguing exactly why the pundits are all picking IU, you just can't quite bring yourself to get there. It's OK, we understand!
If you read my post, I clearly said iu looks like the best team right now. I've acknowledged that and I have no problem saying that. I don't throw out that the conference is down because iu looks like they could the best team. I really don't give a crap if iu is the best team. Contrary to your beliefs, idc about if iu is good or not. I do care if Purdue is good or not.
Me saying the big ten looks like it could be down is straight facts. Me saying iu has some looming questions that need answered before I'm willing to say they are a great team is a fact. I've ran through that. I've ran through it for Purdue. I've also ran through what I thought the biggest issue was for Purdue last year. All very valid and realistic. Idk why I have to repeat this though. Made it very clear. You can't tell me iu doesn't have any questions. They do. But that doesn't mean they don't look like the best team in the big ten. Again. I made that clear in my postings.
IU is the favorite in part because it’s a down year, but IU is also going to be much improved this year. Maybe not so much in the starting 5, but the bench took a big step.
If the freshman can be good for iu, that would be huge. If they hit that freshman wall, similar to what furst did last year, iu will still be good, but that will take a shot at their depth.
Biggest question for me though is shooting. If iu can shoot the ball with any success and consistency, watch out!
I actually think the starting 5 will take a pretty big step also: a full year under their belt to know how CMW wants them to play, solid infusion of talent from the freshmen (and the upperclassmen and returnees wanting to put them in their place; ie. I'll be practices are much improved and that it often boils down to the returnees vs the young guys, hopefully with TB and LD thrown in), and I think we're going to see much more production out of the 2 and 3 and that we'll see XJ pick up where he ended last year. None of it matters until we start playing games, but this is the most optimistic I've been since '12-13.
It's a new season, that alone means every team has questions that need to be answered. But, IU is returning 80% of it's starting 5 and scoring, and has what all reports, including from players, make sound like a very good incoming freshmen class. A team really couldn't have fewer question marks entering a year at this point. Very similar to UNC's situation and you see where they are being picked.
Not really fair to compare JHS and Reneau to Furst. JHS and Reneau were blue chip recruits.
Shooting is also my biggest concern, and I’m shocked it wasn’t addressed in the portal. Bates was a great shooter in high school, so I’ve got no doubt he will be able to figure it out in college.
I mean, sure, they are rated a little higher, but outside of the top 10-15, I don't think there is a huge gap between 15 and 50. Sure, you have some players that are really good in that group, but you also have some players that don't live up to the hype in year one. Caleb Houstan and Romeo are good examples. I never expect a freshman to come in and play a big role. I let them surprise me. It's also why I had no issues with kaufman choosing to redshirt last year. Everyone has their own thoughts on freshman expectations though, so I understand. They could be really good, but I'm a wait and see guy.
You'd hope he can figure it out. I'm shocked iu doesn't target more high IQ, pure shooters tbh. Purdue just took that 2024 recruit from southern Indiana that is just that.
1. Furst wasn’t top 50, so saying recruits 15-50 aren’t much different is a weird comparison.
2. You have to be joking when you say Romeo didn’t. Have an impact as a freshman. No chance you are that naive. 16.5 ppg. 5.4 rebounds. Shot 53% inside the arc. He was outstanding as a freshman. He just had absolutely no one around him other than Morgan.
3. The shooters Purdue targets are liabilities defensively. No one is scared of Jack Benter.
Furst was 55th. Sorry. Romeo didn't live up to the hype he had though. I guess that's where I get confused. Sorry. I'll take him back. Houstan, point remains. We will see how Benter turns out defensively. Dakota was a dang good defender his senior year. That's Benters comp. Cline wasn't terrible. Sasha wasn't good. I'd sacrifice a little defense for a high IQ sharp shooter though. Considering we don't know how big Benter is going to get, we don't know how quick he will get and how good he can be defensively. Benter had more p5 offers than all of them and was starting to get tons of interest. I think he could be better than all three I mentioned.
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Furst was ranked 55th by Rivals. 67th by 247. 73rd by ESPN. There really is no comparison between him and Reneau.
It’s not like Houstan was horrible. Still averaged 10 ppg and 4 rpg.
Every white guy you get is the next “Mathias”. Hasn’t happened yet. You say we don’t have the token shooter guys, yet we have Kopp and Leal. Those types don’t really fit what we try to do offensively/defensively. They would put up better numbers in a system like Purdue’s that runs play after play to get open 3s.
Seems like a good system then. One that gets open 3's. Add in Gibbs-Lawhorn and Colvin as athletes. See if you can get Harris and/or Catchings in 2024. Thats a pretty nice group of players. We shall see. Benter has a super high IQ and shoots 45% 3 on super high volume. If he could get to 6'7 or 6'8, could be an intriguing player.
If it's a system issue for iu, isn't that an issue with woodson and his system not adapting to the modern game?
Honestly, my views of freshmen aligns with BoilerNs, but a couple things: JHS and MR played at Montverde and have won 2 NCs. That's a whole different level of comp vs public schools or Blackhawk Christian. Those guys have been playing and practicing with college level talent as long as they've been there. Secondly, we're already getting lots of reports of how good the freshmen are looking and the eyes they are opening with players, staff, etc... Could still be an adjustment, but it's far less likely and if we get contributions even just from those 2, that's huge.
Would be nice for Purdue if they do come in on a more different level. If DGL can come in and be an instant impact and be healthy, that would be massive.
All these guys play AAU at the highest level now. Much different than 10 years ago even. Do you think that helps shorten the gap between a monteverde and Blackhawk Christian player in terms of being ready for the higher level? Curious your thoughts. Like, you look at Benter. He plays for Brownstown Central, but in aau, he plays against the best of his class and still looks like he belongs. Colvin plays for a small school I believe, but looks like he more than belongs in the aau circuit.
It’s a solid system for getting unathletic guys open shots. Defensively there is no system that can protect those guys and they get picked on. The issue with the Purdue shooters has never been on offense. Your largely unathletic guards and massive/slow centers are what make you a poor defensive team.
DGL and Colvin are a step in the right direction for Purdue athletically. Your 2022 class and your first commit in 2024 don’t fit the athletic mold.
I hate to break it to you, but Painter is the one running the old school offense and has the old school lineup.
I was thinking he does, but maybe he doesn't. I could he mistaking him for someone else.
From what I understand, he plays at a small school and on a small AAU team.
I think it has to certainly help the kids who might not see as good a comp during their school season for sure. My point is that's not the case for MR or JHS; those guys I believe have way less questions marks because of the level of talent they've practiced and played with for 2 years now, and the success they've enjoyed. MR said our strength coach basically said he's at the right weight and is focused on just improving his strength, etc... and maintaining weight. I think that's the first freshmen I've ever heard having been told that and given JHS size, I'm guessing he heard much the same.
Not sure why you keep turning this back on PU guys, but this discussion, at least with me was all about you having said there's no clear front runner in the B10. Regarding PU, I think you're 3-5 is a bit high, and if I had to guess, I'd say 5-8 is more likely. I don't know much about your bench or recruits, who will replace Ivey? Painter's been great at punching above the weight of his players, but I think you've got bigger holes to fill than a 3 or 4th place finish, and think you'll be behind IU, IL, UM for sure and would be having a great year to finish ahead of WI and OSU.
I think it has to certainly help the kids who might not see as good a comp during their school season for sure. My point is that's not the case for MR or JHS; those guys I believe have way less questions marks because of the level of talent they've practiced and played with for 2 years now, and the success they've enjoyed. MR said our strength coach basically said he's at the right weight and is focused on just improving his strength, etc... and maintaining weight. I think that's the first freshmen I've ever heard having been told that and given JHS size, I'm guessing he heard much the same.
Not sure why you keep turning this back on PU guys, but this discussion, at least with me was all about you having said there's no clear front runner in the B10. Regarding PU, I think you're 3-5 is a bit high, and if I had to guess, I'd say 5-8 is more likely. I don't know much about your bench or recruits, who will replace Ivey? Painter's been great at punching above the weight of his players, but I think you've got bigger holes to fill than a 3 or 4th place finish, and think you'll be behind IU, IL, UM for sure and would be having a great year to finish ahead of WI and OSU.
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AAU wise, I went back to Purdue because idk much about the iu recruits AAU. Everything you just said for Purdue, couldn't I say for OSU, IL, and UM though? They lost some great players. OSU lost their two best players. I did say in there that iu was the best team going into the season. I've said it like 3 times now.
Not sure why you keep turning this back on PU guys, but this discussion, at least with me was all about you having said there's no clear front runner in the B10. Regarding PU, I think you're 3-5 is a bit high, and if I had to guess, I'd say 5-8 is more likely. I don't know much about your bench or recruits, who will replace Ivey? Painter's been great at punching above the weight of his players, but I think you've got bigger holes to fill than a 3 or 4th place finish, and think you'll be behind IU, IL, UM for sure and would be having a great year to finish ahead of WI and OSU.
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AAU wise, I went back to Purdue because idk much about the iu recruits AAU. Everything you just said for Purdue, couldn't I say for OSU, IL, and UM though? They lost some great players. OSU lost their two best players. I did say in there that iu was the best team going into the season. I've said it like 3 times now.
AAU wise, I went back to Purdue because idk much about the iu recruits AAU. Everything you just said for Purdue, couldn't I say for OSU, IL, and UM though? They lost some great players. OSU lost their two best players. I did say in there that iu was the best team going into the season. I've said it like 3 times now.
Purdue lost more and gained less than those other schools.
Osu lost their two best players? UM lost everyone but Dickenson. Illinois lost their big man, best shooter, curbelo, and Frazier. Point being, they lost the some really good players as well. Not sure how they are better after losing just as much without seeing what they look like. I think Purdue probably belongs in the same conversation as them when it comes to where they finish. That's not me saying Purdue is better than them though. They could be, but I need to see them all play. To many unknowns.
Only Illinois lost more production-wise than Purdue did. They brought in a top 10 recruiting class as well as a top 5 transfer class. Michigan and OSU loaded up on recruits and transfers as well.
I believe Purdue will look similar to the Covid year Purdue team.
Could. I think they are probably a deeper team this year. But I think their success relies on how quickly Smith, Loyer, or Jenkins can help. Thays scary. I do think Smith and loyer will end up being good players. I'm just not getting my hopes up for year 1.
There is no chance you are a deeper team this year. Absolutely none. Your team last year was very very deep. Your depth this year are all lowly ranked freshmen. The only position you have depth is the 4.
I meant vs the covid year. I think the 4 and 5 position is deeper this year. Losing trevion is big, but get another year of experience on edey, gillis, furst should be ready, and Kaufman-Renn, whose probably more geared toward the modern game. The 3 is Newman (hope he finds consistency), Morton (finally healthy and experienced), and Heide (top 50 recruit before injury. Curious to see him). 1 and 2 is again the scary position. I wonder if Morton plays the 2 and handles the ball a bit more. Idk. Will be interesting to see for sure. Once t
Purdue gets into the offense, I think they will be fine. Painter runs a ton of sets with multiple options. If it takes 12 seconds to get into the set though.... that's an issue. Idk. Like I said, probably an NCAA team. If you asked me to bet, I'd say 6-7 seed.
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