A lot of people don't are projecting them bottom half of the conference. Not sure how that qualifies them as overrated tbh. I'm shocked people are putting them that low. They aren't void of talent.broilees receiving some recognition, LOL.
Actually there is, it's just not one you like or want to acknowledge!There isn't a standout team that you look at and say wow, they are going to be good.
There is? Interesting. Na. If I thought iu was a standout team that was going to be really good, I'd say it. But they were a 7th place big ten team that got smoked in the tourney last year and they have two players I think are really good in TJD and Thompson. They have a PG in Xavier that was average at best minus the end of the season last year. If he plays like he did in the big ten tournament, iu has a chance to be really good. They need to shoot more consistently though.Actually there is, it's just not one you like or want to acknowledge!
Who is projecting them bottom half?A lot of people don't are projecting them bottom half of the conference. Not sure how that qualifies them as overrated tbh. I'm shocked people are putting them that low. They aren't void of talent.
With that being said, big ten isn't going to be good this year imo. There isn't a standout team that you look at and say wow, they are going to be good.
The ones I've seen out so far. Granted, most of them are blogs looking for content and I'm the sucker that clicks it. Haha have you seen any that has Purdue top 5? Thats where I figure they will end up.Who is projecting them bottom half?
I haven’t seen Purdue listed 8th or lower by anyone, and yes I’ve seen them in the top 5.The ones I've seen out so far. Granted, most of them are blogs looking for content and I'm the sucker that clicks it. Haha have you seen any that has Purdue top 5? Thats where I figure they will end up.
I'd say 3rd-5th is about right for preseason projections. So I still believe with overrated not being Purdue.I haven’t seen Purdue listed 8th or lower by anyone, and yes I’ve seen them in the top 5.
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Lol of course you think that.I'd say 3rd-5th is about right for preseason projections. So I still believe with overrated not being Purdue.
Well ya. Because recent history and talent suggest that is where Purdue finishes. Especially in a big ten I don't think will be that good overall. Idk why that's unreasonable. I stated my case above and removed the golf colored glasses for both Purdue and iu review.Lol of course you think that.
Well, look at who all is picking IU to win the B10 next year and it's pretty much a consensus from what I've seen, including the source of this thread. Probably similar to everyone who picked PU last year. I was never a believer though and thought you were missing a PG last year. if you just had an "average" PG like XJ, maybe you actually win the conference and advance to a F4.There is? Interesting. Na. If I thought iu was a standout team that was going to be really good, I'd say it. But they were a 7th place big ten team that got smoked in the tourney last year and they have two players I think are really good in TJD and Thompson. They have a PG in Xavier that was average at best minus the end of the season last year. If he plays like he did in the big ten tournament, iu has a chance to be really good. They need to shoot more consistently though.
I'm not scare to call iu good. Idc. But they aren't a standout team until I see them play because they do have some questions. Similarly, I think Purdue could be pretty good, but I'm not ready to say that, because they need one of Smith, Loyer, or Jenkins to play quality minutes. If they can't, Purdue could be in trouble. They also need Newman to step up and be more consistent. Like iu. They have questions.
It's nothing against iu. I said the same stuff about Michigan last year. I wasn't buying them as being great because I wanted to see the freshman play. I wasn't crowning houston great like a lot of people until I saw him. Why? Because it's hard being a freshman in the big ten, so I hate relying on them. That's why I hate the thought that Purdue needs loyer or Smith to be able to give quality minutes. Has nothing to do with name on the jersey.
Was Purdue favored to win last year? I was thinking UM was. They were higher in the top 25 at least. I honestly don't remember.Well, look at who all is picking IU to win the B10 next year and it's pretty much a consensus from what I've seen, including the source of this thread. Probably similar to everyone who picked PU last year. I was never a believer though and thought you were missing a PG last year. if you just had an "average" PG like XJ, maybe you actually win the conference and advance to a F4.
I could care less about preseason rankings, but it has been pretty universal that the media expects IU to be the best team. So continue disparaging how down the conference is. It's prepatory in case IU is actually good and wins it. Boiler 101.
Lol you clearly didn’t remove your gold colored glasses if you don’t have IU 1 or 2 in the Big Ten headed into the season. Literally every national service out there does. That points to you being biased.Well ya. Because recent history and talent suggest that is where Purdue finishes. Especially in a big ten I don't think will be that good overall. Idk why that's unreasonable. I stated my case above and removed the golf colored glasses for both Purdue and iu review.
Purdue and Michigan were co-favorites. Painter’s “best team yet” and nothing to show for it but another loss to a double digit seed.Was Purdue favored to win last year? I was thinking UM was. They were higher in the top 25 at least. I honestly don't remember.
You are 100% wrong on your last paragraph though. It has nothing to do with iu. Only reason you say that is because I have Purdue in my name and you can't get past that. I agree Purdue could have used a PG last year. It's part of why I didn't buy the hype of Painter's greatest team ever.
I could also be wrong about the big ten this year, but which teams are going to be better than last year. Which teams don't have a big question mark that ask "if that player isn't as good as we assume he will be, they will struggle" Illinois and Purdue have huge question marks. Michigan and msu lost a ton. Iu will be better, but if Xavier isn't in end of season form, not sure their ceiling is as high as it could be. Iowa lost a top 5 pick. Wisconsin lost their best player. Lots of questions. You disagree?
Never said iu wasn't 1 or 2. I said they have questions, but they look like the best team right now. Don't confuse that with they have questions I need to see before I crown them great.Lol you clearly didn’t remove your gold colored glasses if you don’t have IU 1 or 2 in the Big Ten headed into the season. Literally every national service out there does. That points to you being biased.
Purdue has no proven guard play, and the only PG they have on the roster is Braden Smith who is borderline P5 level player.
Edey will obviously be great, but the rest of your team is severely lacking. No doubt IU will be better this year by a good margin.
Not as good as 2017. Last years team had some flaws and Sasha breaking his finger later did them no favors. I think you could agree that team isn't Painter's best ever.Purdue and Michigan were co-favorites. Painter’s “best team yet” and nothing to show for it but another loss to a double digit seed.
Agreed that each of the best conference teams last year will be significantly worse.Was Purdue favored to win last year? I was thinking UM was. They were higher in the top 25 at least. I honestly don't remember.
You are 100% wrong on your last paragraph though. It has nothing to do with iu. Only reason you say that is because I have Purdue in my name and you can't get past that. I agree Purdue could have used a PG last year. It's part of why I didn't buy the hype of Painter's greatest team ever.
I could also be wrong about the big ten this year, but which teams are going to be better than last year. Which teams don't have a big question mark that ask "if that player isn't as good as we assume he will be, they will struggle" Illinois and Purdue have huge question marks. Michigan and msu lost a ton. Iu will be better, but if Xavier isn't in end of season form, not sure their ceiling is as high as it could be. Iowa lost a top 5 pick. Wisconsin lost their best player. Lots of questions. You disagree?
Absolutely laughable for you to say PG is Jenkins’ “natural position”. In 125 games, he’s averaged 1.4 assists while turning the ball over 1.7/gm. What kind of “natural” PG has an assist to turnover ratio so poor? He’s a high volume shooter. Basically the same player as Newman.Never said iu wasn't 1 or 2. I said they have questions, but they look like the best team right now. Don't confuse that with they have questions I need to see before I crown them great.
As for Smith, idk how good he will be. Haven't seen him play at the collegiate level. Time will tell. Jenkins will likely play PG, his more natural position.
I would definitely agree that it wasn’t his best ever, yet that didn’t stop Purdue scum like you suggesting it was his best team all last offseason.Not as good as 2017. Last years team had some flaws and Sasha breaking his finger later did them no favors. I think you could agree that team isn't Painter's best ever.
Xavier was outstanding in the big ten tourney. It was fun to watch him emerge.Agreed that each of the best conference teams last year will be significantly worse.
I think IU could be the same as last year and finish top 3-5. Most here (and most national publications) expect IU to be significantly better than last year, so that’s why people have them penciled in as a leading candidate for conference champ.
I agree with you on X. We (meaning IU fans) tend to remember his play late in the year (especially BTT), and assume he will be one of the better guards in the conference. Our success will hinge on him, and much of the difference at the end of last year was related to his demeanor and the way he carried himself on the court. Lets put it this way, he did a lot of stuff early in the year that I didn’t like, and I found myself wondering if he was going to make it through games w/out being kicked out. He was much better at just playing basketball (and not getting involved in extracurricular crap with players and officials) late in the year.
I said it had the chance to be really good. I try not to label teams and players before I see them play. Don't lump me in with those that said otherwise.I would definitely agree that it wasn’t his best ever, yet that didn’t stop Purdue scum like you suggesting it was his best team all last offseason.
He said he was playing out of position at Utah and that hurt his numbers. Said he's more comfortable as a PG. I'm honestly taking his word for it, but also, he played at Utah. How many assist were available.Absolutely laughable for you to say PG is Jenkins’ “natural position”. In 125 games, he’s averaged 1.4 assists while turning the ball over 1.7/gm. What kind of “natural” PG has an assist to turnover ratio so poor? He’s a high volume shooter. Basically the same player as Newman.
Those numbers were his CAREER numbers. He’s had a negative Ast/TO ratio in all 4 years he’s played college basketball. Even at the lowest levels of D1.He said he was playing out of position at Utah and that hurt his numbers. Said he's more comfortable as a PG. I'm honestly taking his word for it, but also, he played at Utah. How many assist were available.
I guess the good news is, Purdue has survived without a PG for a few years now. The spot has me a wee bit worried for sure.Those numbers were his CAREER numbers. He’s had a negative Ast/TO ratio in all 4 years he’s played college basketball. Even at the lowest levels of D1.
It doesn’t really matter what he says as of course he will try to make excuses for his poor play last year. Numbers don’t lie. He’s no PG.
Have they? Hunter and IT were better PGs than any you have on your roster now. You lost an incredible amount of talent and replaced them with very little.I guess the good news is, Purdue has survived without a PG for a few years now. The spot has me a wee bit worried for sure.
Hunter was a 2 guard playing out of position imo. Thompson wasn't physical enough for the big ten. This year isn't a win it year for Purdue imo. It's a gain experience and try to make a run the following year. We will see. I do like the recruiting classes Painter has been putting together, just to young and unproven this year for my liking. Should be fun to watch though because they do have some talent. The Miami NIL deal for pack really hurt purdues out look. That was a real bummer.Have they? Hunter and IT were better PGs than any you have on your roster now. You lost an incredible amount of talent and replaced them with very little.
So Hunter was a 2 guard playing out of position, but you are confident Jenkins is a “natural” PG…. SMH.Hunter was a 2 guard playing out of position imo. Thompson wasn't physical enough for the big ten. This year isn't a win it year for Purdue imo. It's a gain experience and try to make a run the following year. We will see. I do like the recruiting classes Painter has been putting together, just to young and unproven this year for my liking. Should be fun to watch though because they do have some talent. The Miami NIL deal for pack really hurt purdues out look. That was a real bummer.
Why should I get used to losing recruits because of NIL?So Hunter was a 2 guard playing out of position, but you are confident Jenkins is a “natural” PG…. SMH.
Get used to losing out on recruitments because of NIL.
Because as I’ve told you for over two years now, schools like Purdue won’t be able to compete. Not only do you have a tiny fanbase, but you are a school who thinks you are both a football and basketball school. So even the tiny amount of money you do get to players will be split between two programs.Why should I get used to losing recruits because of NIL?
Purdue basketball players did very well last year without a collective in place. Now it's in place. So that should help. We will see. Obviously Purdue isn't going to likely have the NIL of iu, but they've never really out recruited iu anyways, so idk what's going to change. Purdue has one of the top QB recruits and a couple really good basketball recruits committed and none of them have given indication they are leaving. Purdue is competitive in NIL and should be able to maintain a similar place to where they have been for a few years in each sport.Because as I’ve told you for over two years now, schools like Purdue won’t be able to compete. Not only do you have a tiny fanbase, but you are a school who thinks you are both a football and basketball school. So even the tiny amount of money you do get to players will be split between two programs.
Lol what indication do you have that “Purdue players did very well last year without a collective”?Purdue basketball players did very well last year without a collective in place. Now it's in place. So that should help. We will see. Obviously Purdue isn't going to likely have the NIL of iu, but they've never really out recruited iu anyways, so idk what's going to change. Purdue has one of the top QB recruits and a couple really good basketball recruits committed and none of them have given indication they are leaving. Purdue is competitive in NIL and should be able to maintain a similar place to where they have been for a few years in each sport.
I know more than you think. Why would they leave, but haven't already? What if they don't?Lol what indication do you have that “Purdue players did very well last year without a collective”?
Zero chance Collins remains committed to Purdue.
Very good chance DGL de-commits.
Colvin is probably a lock given that his dad is an alum.
I can read the same information you do, and know how much one of your players made last year in NIL. It’s a good sum for a college kid, but very weak compared to the what most of the rest of the Big Ten is providing.I know more than you think. Why would they leave, but haven't already? What if they don't?
LSU and FSU have been trying to flip Collins for months. Brohm is on his way out? Where is he going? Where there was smoke last year, maybe there was fire. I'd argue Purdue is more attractive now than a year ago.I can read the same information you do, and know how much one of your players made last year in NIL. It’s a good sum for a college kid, but very weak compared to the what most of the rest of the Big Ten is providing.
They have no reason to de-commit yet. Collins will have the big boys after him if he is as good as advertised. No reason to go to Purdue if you can go for the Big Boys. Especially with Brohm allegedly on his way out.
DGL is a kid who has hopped from school to school and AAU team to AAU team in his high school career. He’s shown he’s always ready to jump at the newer better offer.
Collins has no reason to flip now. This happens every single year in college football.LSU and FSU have been trying to flip Collins for months. Brohm is on his way out? Where is he going? Where there was smoke last year, maybe there was fire. I'd argue Purdue is more attractive now than a year ago.
I haven't read much public stuff on Purdue NIL. Don't need to. Purdue is competitive enough though. Nothing out there that suggest otherwise right now. The pack deal was a long time ago. I think there are still some questions on where NIL ends up. It's early. We will see.
No. I've seen stuff. It's changed a lot in the last couple of months. The Louisville thing has potentially changed as well since Brian said that. If it goes to two super conferences, I think Louisville struggles to get into the SEC. If that does happen, Louisville could be a downgrade. If Brohm does leave in a couple years though, Purdue isn't an unattractive job anymore.Collins has no reason to flip now. This happens every single year in college football.
Brian has said he expects Brohm to leave for Louisville sooner rather than later.
So even though you haven’t seen anything to suggest Purdue is doing well in NIL, you are confident they are “competitive enough”. Pack was not the only transfer you missed out on due to NIL. Jenkins was like Plan H because no transfers were interested.
What have you seen? Obviously nothing on KHC since I’ve seen nothing and everyone there constantly complains about Purdue having no NIL presence.No. I've seen stuff. It's changed a lot in the last couple of months. The Louisville thing has potentially changed as well since Brian said that. If it goes to two super conferences, I think Louisville struggles to get into the SEC. If that does happen, Louisville could be a downgrade. If Brohm does leave in a couple years though, Purdue isn't an unattractive job anymore.
Can't speak much on the first part. You'll laugh at me. I get it. Purdue did just announce their collective though. I think that could be a pretty big deal. Like with everything, we will see. Don't want to make claims about what it will or won't be when there is no way to know.What have you seen? Obviously nothing on KHC since I’ve seen nothing and everyone there constantly complains about Purdue having no NIL presence.
Purdue can already match anything Louisville could throw out there for Brohm. That’s not why he would go back there. At some point, he isn’t worth the money it would be required to keep him either.
Purdue did finally get their first collective… 1 year after everyone else. Better late than never?Can't speak much on the first part. You'll laugh at me. I get it. Purdue did just announce their collective though. I think that could be a pretty big deal. Like with everything, we will see. Don't want to make claims about what it will or won't be when there is no way to know.
Brohm is interesting to me. He's been incredible for Purdue. Took Purdue from a place where they probably could have justified shutting down the program to what looks like a consistent bowl team again, sold out stadiums, hundreds of million in renovations coming. He's completely changed it. I agree, at some point he's maybe not worth the money, but when is that? If he's selling out and driving demand, could he be worth 8 million to the university? Maybe not. Idk if he does leave, it will suck, but I'll be thankful for what he did for Purdue football and know that he left it in a better place.
I think the bigger question mark right now, regarding the future of Purdue sports, is the new president coming in and what he thinks of athletics and there importance. Having been groomed by Daniel's, I'd like to think he will have a similar outlook (which changed drastically from year 1 to year 10), but no one seems to have an answer.