Look for X to be dismissed.0
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Hey, could we borrow your press release that swept the McDonalds assault under the rug and blamed the victim? Seemed to work right before a big Cheesy Poof tournament for you guys.
TIA
the portal won't work for X unless he has graduated....we covered this in another thread, you can only use the portal once as an undergrad. 2nd time, you have to sit a year. Unless you get your bachelors, then you can use the grad transfer angle and play immediately.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait for LE and CMW to lay out all the facts and then make some decisions. Obviously a massive brain fart on X's fart and not the first one. The speeding wrap is bad but we've all done that when we were young. The musical chair stunt shows a real lack in judgement and responsibility and, for me anyways, is much more disturbing than speeding. Shows a total lack of accountability. He F'd up, then he panicked. Just hope we don't learn about any verbal or physical altercation with LE once it played out.
It's not about next year. Realistically, what do you expect for next year, and I'm guessing it wasn't a F4 or winning the B10. So, the important part is laying a foundation. You can't win with players who will risk the team over crap like this. So we could keep XJ next year and maybe win an extra game or 2, maybe creep into the NCAA, but he's shown he'll likely do something dumb to hurt the team. You don't have to have angels, but you have to have guys who won't do crap like this.
I don't think he needed to force that kid. 24 karat wannabe hanger onner that needs to stay away from players.
You have to have guys you can trust.
Does Woodson trust X?
This group wait? That's hilarious. Many here are the tar and feather ask questions later types.
You don't have to say anything during a traffic stop. But just to "do things the right way," IU should kick both kids off the team and fire Woodson too.
That will help us get a new elite coach and five star recruits. IU is an elite, blue blood program with the country's smartest and most sensible fan base, didn't you know?
Let Woodson handle X. His punishment from Woodson & Court system will be enough. I think its in the best interest of all parties. X needs to have our support.
He helps us win games. I want Indiana to win basketball games.
For those of you talking about setting the foundation. We are obviously not good at that...been doing it for past 15-20 years very poorly. Lets focus on winning basketball games
He helps us win games. I want Indiana to win basketball games.
For those of you talking about setting the foundation. We are obviously not good at that...been doing it for past 15-20 years very poorly. Lets focus on winning basketball games
Right. Cut bait on kids who make mistakes and, my my my, how the 5 star recruits will roll in. That's what they and their parents all love, right? A wannabe blue blood program that doesn't cover up their mistakes? Surely this is the path back to greatness for IU - accountability in a society that doesn't ****ing value that at all.
These kids bring in millions of dollars to the universities. You don't get to hold them accountable, dummies. We need them more than they need us. Just accept it. Stop living in the past, come down from your ethical ivory towers and see how the real world works.
How many mistakes is too many? Will the next time he gets in trouble (there will be a next time) be grounds for cutting ties?
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The facts may never be laid out for us to see. I don’t know what the facts were with the NU suspensions. We don’t know if it was really about a curfew violation, or not. We also don’t know what (if anything) preceded the NU suspensions for X.
I have seen many versions of “I will trust Woodson” to do what is right. And I have also seen people calling out other coaches (Like Izzo), and calling them pretty bad things. As fans we have the right to question any decision that is made, and no one signed a pledge card subscribing to blind loyalty. We can wait for the facts to come out, but they may not.
As for X’s decision making, prior to this felony arrest he has had what I would call on court personal control issues. And we have seen Woodson has worked on this with him. Especially early in the season he had gotten into it with officials, and there have been numerous moments where he has been very chippy (and yes dirty). Early in the season I was concerned that he was a time bomb that could do something regrettable that would lead to being kicked out of a game.
But, you could see Woodson working with him in a few instances to keep his emotions under check, and he seemed to be much more in control late in the year.
all we know at this point is that it was reported that he was arrested for:
Reckless driving
Resisting law enforcement *
*could be anything, trying to flee the police, the switching seat thing, refusing a breathalyzer, acting disrespectful, who knows?
a couple of thoughts:
The facts may never be laid out for us to see. I don’t know what the facts were with the NU suspensions. We don’t know if it was really about a curfew violation, or not. We also don’t know what (if anything) preceded the NU suspensions for X.
I have seen many versions of “I will trust Woodson” to do what is right. And I have also seen people calling out other coaches (Like Izzo), and calling them pretty bad things. As fans we have the right to question any decision that is made, and no one signed a pledge card subscribing to blind loyalty. We can wait for the facts to come out, but they may not.
As for X’s decision making, prior to this felony arrest he has had what I would call on court personal control issues. And we have seen Woodson has worked on this with him. Especially early in the season he had gotten into it with officials, and there have been numerous moments where he has been very chippy (and yes dirty). Early in the season I was concerned that he was a time bomb that could do something regrettable that would lead to being kicked out of a game.
But, you could see Woodson working with him in a few instances to keep his emotions under check, and he seemed to be much more in control late in the year.
all we know at this point is that it was reported that he was arrested for:
Reckless driving
Resisting law enforcement *
*could be anything, trying to flee the police, the switching seat thing, refusing a breathalyzer, acting disrespectful, who knows?
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I think he absolutely is a leader...and that makes this "decision" more difficult for Woody, I bet.
X plays his ass off on the court, and most of our team does too. I'd bet that a big reason we play hard as a team is that they follow X's lead, as one of our leaders. X was also one of the yahoos who broke team rules at a crucial part of our season. Did he "lead" the others to do it? Obviously I have no clue. But he was with them, so at a minimum, he failed to use his role to stop them from doing it...or probably more aptly...didn't use his role to help them all have fun without breaking the team rule, or without getting caught.
I can see Woodson shaking his head and giving Xaver the look of..."Damn dude...all you have to do is not be obvious about this shit and get yourselves caught?!!!!".
And then now this... Its obvious X's judgement is questionable at this point. It shows with these sorts of things, and whether they're related or not, it shows on the court. I happen to think things like this are more often than not related. Either you make good decisions or you don't. If you don't, it doesn't mean you're a bad kid. It doesn't mean Xavier is lazy and doesn't fight his ass off for this team. But man, how many close games did we have this year where we blew chances and leads with poor decisions? A lot is the answer.
Driving 90 on a 50 is similar to not running our offense and driving into the lane and taking an incredibly difficult shot, when we absolutely need a good shot late in a game.
The rest of whatever happened is more like getting pissed off and doing that 3 times in a row...and/or getting chippy and committing unnecessary fouls.
We've seen all of this from him. Not the end of the world. Its not like we've not all done dumb ass things like this, especially in college. But none of us were the point guard for an Indiana team that's at a critical point in its programs history.
Whether X is back on the team or not, I hope Woody isn't taking the same approach and mindset as some of our "this isn't a big deal" posters.
true, we may never learn all the facts. And honestly, we have no legal right to demand all the details. CMW has worked with him. I love X's motor on the court, his progress towards the end of the year, and the fact that he seems to be more pissed off about losing than anyone else (not enough of that in Btown in recent years). But he did come to IU with an emotional hair trigger. People wired that way will always be a challenge to reel in.
I would hope Woodson will help him understand that, aside from placing himself, his passengers, and anyone on or near the roadway in obvious danger, he also created a scenario that could’ve gone from bad to worse in a hurry.
Drive in the wee hours through a business / downtown district at an excessive rate of speed. Fail to immediately adhere to law enforcement‘s command to stop the vehicle. Evade the police, even for an instant, running a stop sign. Exit the vehicle in a hurried fashion when you do stop.
That’s an excellent way to have a weapon drawn on you, especially if you’re perceived, in any way, of turning toward LE in a manner that could be seen as aggressive or threatening. Ask any cop and they’ll tell you situations like this can become explosive in an instant. X has an issue with maturity that’s going to bite him hard one day. Losing his spot on the team might be the least of his worries if he doesn’t get his act together soon.
back from the dead again, eh?
I will agree with your last comment. This incident was one drunk oblivious pedestrian away from becoming a manslaughter charge. This could have been much, much much worse and he's lucky it was not.
Dang, you know where Nijel Pack will go, and what XJ will do in the future. You are quite the fortune teller today. Are you a precog?
I wonder if X is better suited playing off the ball a little more? Maybe JHS can come in and take over the PG role? Modern basketball is shying away from a singular point guard anyways. Having JHS as the main offense starter, and X as a guy obviously more than capable of taking outlet passes as well and pushing the ball up the court...
There's absolutely no way to know how JHS will react and respond to big time college basketball pressure situations. But I think one of his biggest potential impacts for our team, is his ability to effectively "run our offense" and make good plays and decisions late in games.
If it goes that way, having guys that can make outside shots in the other 2 wing positions will be essential. Tamar, CJ, Kaleb, Jordan should all have great opportunities. Miller too I guess if he stays.
This. I love X, he really won me over this year. Tough kid, competitor. But you'd have to be the son of an ostrich to not see that late game decision making is the final step in his improvement. And as you noted, this is spilling over into off court activities as well.
In the past we have heard coach Knight differentiate between dumb mistakes a kid makes that don’t hurt anyone else, and mistakes that harm others. In other words, sneaking into a bar or smoking weed, etc hurts the person doing it but not others. Something like rape would be a different scenario. It harms others.
what X did had the chance to really hurt others. He was lucky that it didn’t, but it could have had awful consequences.
What a sad, pathetic, depressing post this is. Unfortunately, you probably represent many other fans who now believe the same thing.
I don’t know where Pack will go. We should do everything we can to make it IU though.
Predicting XJ will get in trouble again is pretty easy.
first time? Probably not. Second and beyond? Maybe. Since he's already had 1 issue, and now a second more serious one to me, since it involves law enforcement, I'd say probably if it merits it. Plus, and I'm only speculating on my intuition, but I'll bet there have been other problems with X within the team and practices. Each case is different, but in this case I'll support Woody if that's what he decides.
Yes, making predictions is very easy. Being correct about them is a little tougher. Of course, by then you'll be on to another user name, so no big deal for you...
On another topic, I hate when people misapply (in my mind apparently!) the term "fish, or cut bait". In it's original meaning, "fish" meant taking decisive action (ie. in this case, cutting X) and cut bait meant procrastinating (sitting on the dock cutting bait instead of actually taking action and fishing). But, in checking the meaning on Wikipedia, it basically says over time, "cut bait" was misused so often it's basically flipped the meaning to taking action. So I guess now I'm wrong. Congratulations: you guys screwed up the term for so long, you've now made it correct. SMDH!
Spock: "in an insane world, the sane man must appear insane".
Fish... or cut bait?
Only off by 7 spots! Should I keep going? I seem to remember you having a bunch of smart takes on Jaden Ivey.
Weird that Michigan ended up going the furthest in the tournament. Did you have Wisconsin winning?
Please tell me, where in the law you have to do that.
It's not in there, so again, he did nothing wrong.
Now your bias is showing.
That's amazing... ha ha.
I've always visualized it as basically realizing you're done fishing, and physically cutting the line and moving on. Which doesn't make sense...no one does that. You just reel it in, or pull the bobber up.
I love to hear origins of things like this. Unfortunately, as is the case with many, many things these days, original intentions have completely been lost through years and years of translations.
Is going farthest in the tournament what you meant by that?
So I guess St. Peter's would also win the big ten, by that logic.
I'm not a shitty fortune teller, so I'm pretty sure I didn't make a prediction. If you were smarter, you'd stop writing every dumb idea you have.
Haha you too scared to put your predictions out there? Log off and get back to work little man.
Consider the message to the team if he is not removed from the roster. Given the suspension in Chicago...Woodson would owe the team an apology if he is kept on it. Gotta go, period. A "leader on the team" cannot run from the cops and resist arrest.
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