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Here's what I can't get past...

It was posted relatively early in this discussion that he had an outstanding speeding ticket from last fall and he'd totally blown it off, and that his drivers license was administratively suspended as a result. That says "I don't have to follow the rules" to me. If that's the case, then I'm good with letting him go. It's tough for a kid to not act privileged and entitled when they're treated like they're privileged and entitled, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.
I am 99% sure that was all made up BS just like 140MPH. People are idiots.
 
I am 99% sure that was all made up BS just like 140MPH. People are idiots.
I'm too lazy to try and find it, but the post I'm referring to had a screenshot of the case record. Looked legit, but I can't vouch for it of course. If it was bogus, someone really went to some effort.

But my point remains, if that info is true, then I'm good with letting him go.
 
I'm too lazy to try and find it, but the post I'm referring to had a screenshot of the case record. Looked legit, but I can't vouch for it of course. If it was bogus, someone really went to some effort.

But my point remains, if that info is true, then I'm good with letting him go.
I saw it as well but not sure it indicated his license was suspended.
 
I'm too lazy to try and find it, but the post I'm referring to had a screenshot of the case record. Looked legit, but I can't vouch for it of course. If it was bogus, someone really went to some effort.

But my point remains, if that info is true, then I'm good with letting him go.

His license isn't suspended.

The post showed that he hadn't payed his last ticket and that the BMV was being alerted of that, so they could take action toward suspension. They have to first notify him and then actually suspended his license in the system, which hasn't been done.

If he was driving on a suspended license, knowingly, that would have been another charge. They can't tack that on later, gotta be in the present.
 
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Agreed, but it's also the only place he could have crossed over to N. Walnut, assuming he was on College south of the Bypass and north of 17th.
You yourself admit you are "assuming" something. Hope you recognize that.

Your post is just fine as a proposed description of, well, a proposed description of something, but you weren't there and you weren't the cop that was trying to describe what he thought he was describing.

You are now in the position of interpreting a reporter's interpretation of (we hope) a careful police report that (we hope) wasn't guessing about, estimating or interpreting anything else. But we don't know. None of us should act like we do know.
 
You yourself admit you are "assuming" something. Hope you recognize that.

Your post is just fine as a proposed description of, well, a proposed description of something, but you weren't there and you weren't the cop that was trying to describe what he thought he was describing.

You are now in the position of interpreting a reporter's interpretation of (we hope) a careful police report that (we hope) wasn't guessing about, estimating or interpreting anything else. But we don't know. None of us should act like we do know.
i sure as hell was under no illusion that what I was talking about would hold up in court, just that there MIGHT be room to challenge the report to better plead down the charges.

also, I don’t know why you are getting bent out of shape about the old st rd 37 part, as it required the least amount of speculation of anything I said - a quick map search to verifies the name of the only place to turn around south of the bypass without going all the way down to 17th St.
 
I'm too lazy to try and find it, but the post I'm referring to had a screenshot of the case record. Looked legit, but I can't vouch for it of course. If it was bogus, someone really went to some effort.

But my point remains, if that info is true, then I'm good with letting him go.
I took this screenshot from a link another poster shared. It's easily verifiable.

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I read he and the buddy are sticking to their story that X wasn't driving.

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I took this screenshot from a link another poster shared. It's easily verifiable.

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That doesn't say he's suspended.

That says he hasn't paid his last ticket and has been sent to the BMV for further action, but that action hasn't been taken as of when he was pulled over.

If his license was suspended, he would have been ticketed for it. They can't go back and ticket him for it after the fact, post dating it.
 
Not sure. Perhaps the same reason your DUI kid was kept last year?

Perhaps the same reason why pu glorifies a kid who was found comatose in a running car chugging a beer in the stands?

Perhaps the same reason your AD blamed a vctim in an ugly late night incident at McDonalds?

You don't want to go down this path I assure you. Take ordfan and head back to GBI and post this shit.
But I was told that IU only gives scholarships to upstanding young men.

Between this and that hut hut player who hits women, people must wonder...
 
That doesn't say he's suspended.

That says he hasn't paid his last ticket and has been sent to the BMV for further action, but that action hasn't been taken as of when he was pulled over.

If his license was suspended, he would have been ticketed for it. They can't go back and ticket him for it after the fact, post dating it.
Maybe not be suspended, Idk, but non-payment of a ticket is grounds for suspension, and the clerks office sent the form to the BMV. Marks point about X being above the rules is valid regardless.
 
Maybe not be suspended, Idk, but non-payment of a ticket is grounds for suspension, and the clerks office sent the form to the BMV. Marks point about X being above the rules is valid regardless.

Not paying a ticket is grounds for suspension? Really? We're suspending kids for their finances now? If he was driving when he was actually suspended, that's one thing, but he's not.

This one, he's in trouble for what he got pulled over for. Him not paying for his last ticket yet is you making something out of nothing.
 
Not paying a ticket is grounds for suspension? Really? We're suspending kids for their finances now? If he was driving when he was actually suspended, that's one thing, but he's not.

This one, he's in trouble for what he got pulled over for. Him not paying for his last ticket yet is you making something out of nothing.
Grounds to suspend a license
 
That doesn't say he's suspended.

That says he hasn't paid his last ticket and has been sent to the BMV for further action, but that action hasn't been taken as of when he was pulled over.

If his license was suspended, he would have been ticketed for it. They can't go back and ticket him for it after the fact, post dating it.
Thanks for the clarification. He wasn't suspended.

Nevertheless, he doesn't seem to think he has to pay his speeding ticket like everyone else. That's the part I'm having trouble getting over.
 
Thanks for the clarification. He wasn't suspended.

Nevertheless, he doesn't seem to think he has to pay his speeding ticket like everyone else. That's the part I'm having trouble getting over.

I've had parking tickets that I've forgot about. It wasn't until I got a letter in the mail that I remembered I needed to pay them.

Not saying that's the case here, but tickets do get forgotten about sometimes.
 
Not paying a ticket is grounds for suspension? Really? We're suspending kids for their finances now? If he was driving when he was actually suspended, that's one thing, but he's not.

This one, he's in trouble for what he got pulled over for. Him not paying for his last ticket yet is you making something out of nothing.
I'm trying to chill and get over this entire episode, but I don't understand folks who don't get the difference between a person's behavior and what he can face legal penalty for. The gravity of what he did has nothing to do with what happens in court. Absent serious and heartfelt contrition, he doesn't deserve to wear the uniform. But I know, I'm stuck in 1983 where integrity was a thing.
 
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That doesn't say he's suspended.

That says he hasn't paid his last ticket and has been sent to the BMV for further action, but that action hasn't been taken as of when he was pulled over.

If his license was suspended, he would have been ticketed for it. They can't go back and ticket him for it after the fact, post dating it.
The mycase entries don't ever indicate that action was taken. They usually take a little while, but not usually 4 months. It's fair to assume he was suspended.

A first offense for driving while suspended is an infraction. They often don't bother with filing tickets on criminal cases. The resisting felony carries a possible 2.5 year license suspension, so the tickets don't offer the State any useful additional punishment. There is no point in filing them, so they don't.
 
I've had parking tickets that I've forgot about. It wasn't until I got a letter in the mail that I remembered I needed to pay them.

Not saying that's the case here, but tickets do get forgotten about sometimes.
Parking tickets are one thing. Moving violations are another. I don't want to be a hard ass, but I'm getting the impression he thinks he's above the rules. I'm not saying he's a bad kid, but he sure does sound like he could use an attitude adjustment.
 
The mycase entries don't ever indicate that action was taken. They usually take a little while, but not usually 4 months. It's fair to assume he was suspended.

A first offense for driving while suspended is an infraction. They often don't bother with filing tickets on criminal cases. The resisting felony carries a possible 2.5 year license suspension, so the tickets don't offer the State any useful additional punishment. There is no point in filing them, so they don't.

Yeah, they're gonna get him for a driving while suspended ticket and put it on his record, or else it won't show up on his mycase record in the first place.

They need that first one on record because the second one is a misdemeanor class A if he were to not complete everything he needed to do.

Plus they need it on record to get the fees that ticket would generate. No record, no money.
 
Yeah, they're gonna get him for a driving while suspended ticket and put it on his record, or else it won't show up on his mycase record in the first place.

They need that first one on record because the second one is a misdemeanor class A if he were to not complete everything he needed to do.

Plus they need it on record to get the fees that ticket would generate. No record, no money.
They don't care about getting an infraction judgment in a felony criminal case. They'd just dismiss it as part of a plea on the case anyhow. They make a lot more in fees from a year of probation than they make from a DWS ticket.

Monroe County isn't as interested in putting people on the driving while suspended hamster wheel as most counties.
 
I have no idea about this. Do Purdue and IU travel and stay in hotels the night before away games in Bloomington and West Lafayette? Seems unnecessary.
I can’t remember for sure, but would make sense if it was an early game.
 
I can’t remember for sure, but would make sense if it was an early game.

I think it’s a conference rule to arrive the day before no matter what time the game is or how they are traveling there. In case of bad weather or plane/bus malfunction, I think they want a lot of time baked in so games are delayed/postponed/canceled which would screw up TV contracts
 
I took this screenshot from a link another poster shared. It's easily verifiable.

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I read he and the buddy are sticking to their story that X wasn't driving.

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I think the most troubling thing about it is what do most of us do when we get a ticket, It's like FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!, but you go home and pay the bill they gave you. Not doing that is a character issue, to wait months and then do it again when you didn't pay the one you knew about
 
I think it’s a conference rule to arrive the day before no matter what time the game is or how they are traveling there. In case of bad weather or plane/bus malfunction, I think they want a lot of time baked in so games are delayed/postponed/canceled which would screw up TV contracts
Yup
 
I think the most troubling thing about it is what do most of us do when we get a ticket, It's like FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!, but you go home and pay the bill they gave you. Not doing that is a character issue, to wait months and then do it again when you didn't pay the one you knew about
This might or might not be fair. But Xavier was one of the players who was suspended for the Northwestern game. Maybe he really does have a character issue. The question is does his talent outweigh his flaws? Also what effect does having him continue on the team have for the other players? All of this has to be thought out. To be honest I believe Xavier's position as point guard has something which has to be weighed in. The pg is a leader on the floor. Does Xavier really have the credibility to be a positive influence on the other teammates?
 
But I was told that IU only gives scholarships to upstanding young men.

Between this and that hut hut player who hits women, people must wonder...
Not sure who told you that, and there was no FB player on the roster last year that "hit women" but in general and again...issues and AD response is not a qualitative or quantitative debate that purdu fans want to get into.

Hope this helps.
 
I think the most troubling thing about it is what do most of us do when we get a ticket, It's like FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!, but you go home and pay the bill they gave you. Not doing that is a character issue, to wait months and then do it again when you didn't pay the one you knew about
Yeah, nobody "forgot" about this ticket.
 
All great points but I can't wait until he leaves the campus!!


Fortunately for IU, your opinion will never make it to anyone who cares.
 
They don't care about getting an infraction judgment in a felony criminal case. They'd just dismiss it as part of a plea on the case anyhow. They make a lot more in fees from a year of probation than they make from a DWS ticket.

Monroe County isn't as interested in putting people on the driving while suspended hamster wheel as most counties.

If he was driving on a suspended license, they are gonna give him a ticket for it. They need it on his record so if he does it again, it will be eacalades later. Driving is a privilege, not a right, so having a license is something that is taken seriously by officers (my uncle is a cop, he let me know when I slipped up about my parking tickets).

He would have been ticketed for no license if he didn't have one. If Monroe County wasn't concerned with giving out tickets for no licenses, no one would ever worry about paying their tickets. See how idiotic that sounds?
 
Not sure who told you that, and there was no FB player on the roster last year that "hit women" but in general and again...issues and AD response is not a qualitative or quantitative debate that purdu fans want to get into.

Hope this helps.

He choked the poor girl, my b.

Again, super heart warming how IU was able to look past this!!!
 
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Thanks for the clarification. He wasn't suspended.

Nevertheless, he doesn't seem to think he has to pay his speeding ticket like everyone else. That's the part I'm having trouble getting over.
I literally had my license suspended twice for forgetting to pay some asinine ticket. Got suspended for a seatbelt ticket once.

You are having trouble getting over he didn't pay his ticket, where he most likely just forgot? lol are you serious????
 
Also, after reading the article, some of the components don't fully seem to add up on first glance. Reportedly the car was doing 90 up Walnut, turned onto the bypass, then turned into Walnut Knolls. The police car was going down College (so south of the bypass), turned around at old st rd 37 to cross over the divide, then followed. If really going 90, there's a good chance they would already be turning onto the bypass by the time the police lights/sirens came on since radar only has about ideal effective distance of about 1000 ft, This means they were probably halfway to their stopping point and out of sight of the police officer by the time the heard sirens. Also, if going that fast and really trying to flee the police, there's a good chance the officer wouldn't have been in position to see them enter walnut knolls.
This is exactly what I thought. If he was going in opposite direction. They might not have seen him until they were home. That’s why the resisting probably gets dropped.
 
Between 17th and the Bypass, there is only one place to cross the median separating College and Walnut. On the west side of College, that is where Old St. Rd. 37 joins. I'm not sure the little road crossing the median has a name, but that's where it is. Just south of Dennys. That has to be what the report is referring to.
Cascades. And he was likely gone before they saw the lights. Police don’t care if you saw them or not. They let the court handle it.
 
This is exactly what I thought. If he was going in opposite direction. They might not have seen him until they were home. That’s why the resisting probably gets dropped.
I could almost believe that, but they why try to switch seats?
 
If the article has as many geographical discrepancies as the other poster says, it still isn't reliable.

For one thing, any reference to "old State Road 37" is automatically confusing because the pre-bypass/pre-I-69 route of Ind. 37 through Bloomington was changed several times before the bypass was built. There are at least three current pavements that have been called "old State Road 37" at one time or other. The original route existed before the 1950's, and few cops or reporters today were living back then. God knows what they mean when they use that expression today. No one is going to decipher what Johnson was doing based on nicknames of streets and previous names of apartment complexes.
It’s business 37 from 69 to the bypass. Old 37 turns into lower cascades which looped back to college/walnut. That’s the OG 37.
 
Anyone watch the YouTube discussion between Jim Coyle and Bob Kravitz yesterday? They both thought that X should move on.
This might or might not be fair. But Xavier was one of the players who was suspended for the Northwestern game. Maybe he really does have a character issue. The question is does his talent outweigh his flaws? Also what effect does having him continue on the team have for the other players? All of this has to be thought out. To be honest I believe Xavier's position as point guard has something which has to be weighed in. The pg is a leader on the floor. Does Xavier really have the credibility to be a positive influence on the other teammates?
If he remains on the team there will be some sort of zero-tolerance provision. How did that work with RMK?
 
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