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[mcmurtry66]

Right? It would be like me saying George Bush is extreme right wing. Or more apropos would be to say DeSantis is an extreme right winger.

Pete is in the Clinton, Obama, Biden camp. Pretty firmly. Its why the squad doesn't like him.

Negative. Manchin is a centrist. Pete is far left or certainly can be perceived as so. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that he was supportive of all of the cradle to grave social spending bills. The largest social safety net in history. That's not a centrist. Couple that with his virtue-signaling on paternity to racist bridges and it's very easy to perceive him as far left.

And let me add that his advocacy of those issues as a "far left" politician is fine. If that's what the majority wants great. But he's hardly a centrist. Manchin is a centrist; again not someone who supports the largest social safety net in history

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Also, dude, "breeders" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Birthing People", please.

Walter, this isn’t a guy who built the railroads here…..he peed on my rug.

 

[Stuffshot]

According to Alito, the right to privacy is bogus made up bullshit.

Yeah, right -- he thinks it's bogus until privacy is used as the legal justification for white, conservative Republican parents to disrupt school board meetings and demand that public school systems teach only what white, conservative Republican parents demand.

 

[Stuffshot]

Walter, this isn’t a guy who built the railroads here…..he peed on my rug.

Huh? You have a toupee like your bald avatar?

Don't say any more. We don't want to know.

 

[mrhighlife]

Negative. Manchin is a centrist. Pete is far left or certainly can be perceived as so. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that he was supportive of all of the cradle to grave social spending bills. The largest social safety net in history. That's not a centrist. Couple that with his virtue-signaling on paternity to racist bridges and it's very easy to perceive him as far left.

And let me add that his advocacy of those issues as a "far left" politician is fine. If that's what the majority wants great. But he's hardly a centrist. Manchin is a centrist; again not someone who supports the largest social safety net in history

Right. Manchin is a centrist, Pete is left, Bernie is far left.

Bullock is centrist, Obama is left, AOC is far left

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Huh? You have a toupee like your bald avatar?

Don't say any more. We don't want to know.

Were you even listening to the dudes story?

I was bowling.

Then you have no frame of reference here. You’re like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie…..

 

[mcmurtry66]

Right. Manchin is a centrist, Pete is left, Bernie is far left.

Bullock is centrist, Obama is left, AOC is far left

or perhaps musk is correct and the party has moved farther left. biden certainly has, not a stretch to associate pete with same given what this administration wanted in cradle to grave coverage

 

[Stuffshot]

Were you even listening to the dudes story?

I was bowling.

Then you have no frame of reference here. You’re like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie…..

Did you break 200? Pick up any splits?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

According to Alito, the right to privacy is bogus made up bullshit.

Its “penumbral.”

You can also hire one of those fortune-tellers that can read auras. They can see it for ya too. Much cheaper than a Supreme Court case.

 

[Univee2]

What you call far left is just the left. Yes, Bernie and the Squad are far left. Because of mainly of economic ideologies(if they even have a serious one). Most social issues are pretty standard left wing ideologies and have been for 40-50 years. Free education, healthcare, ETC. Those aren't far left if literally everyone on the left is in tune with them.

Economically speaking Pete and the squad are about as similar as the game of basketball and the game of Shoots and Ladders.

“Shoots” and Ladders.

Classic.

 

[Crayfish57]

“Shoots” and Ladders.

Classic.

Is that like Russian roulette on a ladder?

 

[TommyCracker]

or perhaps musk is correct and the party has moved farther left. biden certainly has, not a stretch to associate pete with same given what this administration wanted in cradle to grave coverage

Pete is definitely left. He said it himself, he would be the most progressive president to date. He's a little left of the old guard but still very right of Bernie and Warren.

He's just not batshit crazy, angry and doesn't scream and rant in your face...he communicates his positions very effectively.

He's definitely left of McMurtry, but he's right in the sweet spot for women voters...who are more passionate especially about this current SCOTUS decision, a larger base (there are 97 males for every 100 females) and becoming the dominant gender with college degrees and masters.

This is getting circulated around today. See how he answers this difficult question, particularly late term abortions, with empathy but in a manner that is easily understood.

This is what a really effective communicator can do...answer delicate and complex questions effectively without insulting because once you insult, you've killed the conversation.



Now compare with Harris and her stance on the topic, who makes great points and I agree with every one, but this is the standard political fire and brimstone that everyone uses these days featuring an angry tone, some insults and emotional words that are so big that it might get lost as 'over the top' and therefore tuned out and not heard.

It's just a comparison of style.

 

[Bowlmania]

“Shoots” and Ladders.

Classic.

You've got to cut him some slack, though, because he had just mentioned basketball.

 

[Univee2]

You've got to cut him some slack, though, because he had just mentioned basketball.

Okay, but I wish we had some chuters . . .

 

[mcmurtry66]

Pete is definitely left. He said it himself, he would be the most progressive president to date. He's a little left of the old guard but still very right of Bernie and Warren.

He's just not batshit crazy, angry and doesn't scream and rant in your face...he communicates his positions very effectively.

He's definitely left of McMurtry, but he's right in the sweet spot for women voters...who are more passionate especially about this current SCOTUS decision, a larger base (there are 97 males for every 100 females) and becoming the dominant gender with college degrees and masters.

This is getting circulated around today. See how he answers this difficult question, particularly late term abortions, with empathy but in a manner that is easily understood.

This is what a really effective communicator can do...answer delicate and complex questions effectively without insulting because once you insult, you've killed the conversation.

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Now compare with Harris and her stance on the topic, who makes great points and I agree with every one, but this is the standard political fire and brimstone that everyone uses these days featuring an angry tone, some insults and emotional words that are so big that it might get lost as 'over the top' and therefore tuned out and not heard.

It's just a comparison of style.

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That speaking calmly, or even just the ability to speak, is the new bar is sad. But after Biden, Harris and Trump it is what it is. Pete stayed home availing himself of a benefit offered to no one else. I will never vote for Pete. I voted for Clinton, Obama, and would vote for other Dems down the road. Never Pete. Show up. It's the least we can do

 

[iuwclurker]

No it's not.

What I meant was the right to privacy is enumerated in the US Constitution. So the question is, is abortion an unenumerated right that falls under the right to privacy?

 

[iuwclurker]

According to Alito, the right to privacy is bogus made up bullshit.

Really? I didn’t get that. Happen to have a link on that?

 

[UncleMark]

That speaking calmly, or even just the ability to speak, is the new bar is sad. But after Biden, Harris and Trump it is what it is. Pete stayed home availing himself of a benefit offered to no one else. I will never vote for Pete. I voted for Clinton, Obama, and would vote for other Dems down the road. Never Pete. Show up. It's the least we can do

Serious question-- would you have such a hard on for him if he was female and had given birth to twins, one of which had health problems?

 

[UncleMark]

What I meant was the right to privacy is enumerated in the US Constitution. So the question is, is abortion an unenumerated right that falls under the right to privacy?

There is no enumerated right to privacy in the Constitution.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Serious question-- would you have such a hard on for him if he was female and had given birth to twins, one of which had health problems?

How's this remotely relevant?

 

[iuwclurker]

Bullock is centrist, Obama is left, AOC is far left

When it comes to bollocks, @mcmurtry66 is a bit far left, a bit far right, with a central thrust.

 

[Crayfish57]

Serious question-- would you have such a hard on for him if he was female and had given birth to twins, one of which had health problems?

Not even remotely close to the same thing

 

[mcmurtry66]

Serious question-- would you have such a hard on for him if he was female and had given birth to twins, one of which had health problems?

Sex isn't the issue; it's circumstance. We don't get everything we want and we don't expect others to pay for it

 

[UncleMark]

Sex isn't the issue; it's circumstance.

So that's a yes?

 

[mcmurtry66]

So that's a yes?

No. It's that we don't get everything we want and we shouldn't expect others to pay for it. A job like that requires some sacrifice. It wasn't like the kids were left alone. He was virtue signaling in my opinion or just putting himself first

 

[mcmurtry66]

So that's a yes?

We have two prominent transportation people in Musk and Pete. One stays home and talks and talks and talks. The other works and gets shit done. The difference is right in our face

 

[Stuffshot]

Pete is definitely left. He said it himself, he would be the most progressive president to date. He's a little left of the old guard but still very right of Bernie and Warren.

He's just not batshit crazy, angry and doesn't scream and rant in your face...he communicates his positions very effectively.

He's definitely left of McMurtry, but he's right in the sweet spot for women voters...who are more passionate especially about this current SCOTUS decision, a larger base (there are 97 males for every 100 females) and becoming the dominant gender with college degrees and masters.

This is getting circulated around today. See how he answers this difficult question, particularly late term abortions, with empathy but in a manner that is easily understood.

This is what a really effective communicator can do...answer delicate and complex questions effectively without insulting because once you insult, you've killed the conversation.

View embedded media

Now compare with Harris and her stance on the topic, who makes great points and I agree with every one, but this is the standard political fire and brimstone that everyone uses these days featuring an angry tone, some insults and emotional words that are so big that it might get lost as 'over the top' and therefore tuned out and not heard.

It's just a comparison of style.

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"Most progressive" is undefined, but I challenge anyone to claim some other President is/was more progressive than either Franklin Roosevelt or Lyndon Johnson.

Both of those Presidents actually saw to the enactment of many for-real longlasting laws (many were controversial) that departed significantly from the norm for previous laws.

I may be wrong, but Pete's chances of passing as many progressive laws as either Roosevelt or Johnson are exactly zero. It doesn't even matter if he dreams (or his critics rant) that he's as progressive as Karl Marx or Eugene Debs. His critics claim he's a crazy leftist for the obvious reasons.

 

[iuwclurker]

There is no enumerated right to privacy in the Constitution.

OK, I get what you’re doing here, being an anal retentive prick. Right to liberty, which of course includes one’s private life.

 

[Stuffshot]

There is no enumerated right to privacy in the Constitution.

Nor does the Constitution/Second Amendment contain any enumerated prohibition on private ownership of hand grenades, smart bombs, F-18's, nuclear bombs, machine guns, ICBM's or Sarin gas (to name just a few).

Since enumeration isn't necessary to recognize those prohibitions are valid, this argument about non-enumerated privacy needs quite a bit more to persuade me.

Whatchya got?

 

[Crayfish57]

"Most progressive" is undefined, but I challenge anyone to claim some other President is/was more progressive than either Franklin Roosevelt or Lyndon Johnson.

Both of those Presidents actually saw to the enactment of many for-real longlasting laws (many were controversial) that departed significantly from the norm for previous laws.

I may be wrong, but Pete's chances of passing as many progressive laws as either Roosevelt or Johnson are exactly zero. It doesn't even matter if he dreams (or his critics rant) that he's as progressive as Karl Marx or Eugene Debs. His critics claim he's a crazy leftist for the obvious reasons.

Actually Teddy Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912, He came in second to Wilson ahead of republican Taft 435-88-7 Eugene Debs from IN got 0

 

[UncleMark]

OK, I get what you’re doing here, being an anal retentive prick. Right to liberty, which of course includes one’s private life.

Since enumeration isn't necessary to recognize those prohibitions are valid, this argument about non-enumerated privacy needs quite a bit more to persuade me.

Alito is the one arguing against unenumerated rights, not me.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Sex isn't the issue; it's circumstance. We don't get everything we want and we don't expect others to pay for it

We could probably argue that with any politician. Got something that doesn't have you being a hypocrite?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Sex isn't the issue; it's circumstance. We don't get everything we want and we don't expect others to pay for it

Google American CEOs and "Golden Parachute".

 

[TommyCracker]

We have two prominent transportation people in Musk and Pete. One stays home and talks and talks and talks. The other works and gets shit done. The difference is right in our face

C'mon this is a silly comparison as one is a private sector who answers to no one but himself (and good for him) vs a government employee who has a million miles of red tape and answers to basically everyone.

But fine, I'll play along.

What utility has Musk actually brought in the name of public service? Developed a cool electric car? Yeah everyone is doing that.

Did Musk get broadband to rural areas? Did he unclog the world's supply chain (oh by the way, levels of service are close to normal and 4th quarter in stocks and sales were a strong as ever)? Did he take on the trucking industry and tackle the insanely high turnover issues like Pete is doing?

I guess I don't see this huge public utility that Musk is giving other than making electric cars cooler I guess, which has lined his pockets.

Unions are forbidden at Tesla so...not sure what he's doing for the working class to make their lives different or even better which is the basic role of good government.

Look, I'm not trying to convert you to a Pete voter. That's never happening and that's cool.

I'm just trying to explain why he's so popular within the party and the reasons for that popularity.

I mean you mentioned he's gay. Yeah, I'm not sure how that plays out either. I'm not sure we're at a point as a country to where that's not going to be a big issue for people regardless what they say externally.

I do know, that his empathetic political style and calm demeanor will play against whatever anti-gay jokes, smears or slurs come his way.

It would be much easier if Pete was a rabid, angry politician to throw in some queer jokes and no one really cares because most people are annoyed by the person.

He's not playing that, so when you attack a calm, measured and empathetic Pete...the accuser ends up really looking like the mean spirited, homophobic slack jawed pig that's out of touch and out of date.

Women especially, see that clear as day as they're very in tune with piggish behavior and piggish intimidation tactics....which again plays to his strengths.

Basically it's hard to be cruel to someone who's perceived as kind hearted.

Politically it's a unique angle.

Appreciate the conversation brother.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I disagree. I think it's really, really important.

It's not important at all if "we got it wrong" is sufficient for overturning precedent.

 

[Stuffshot]

Unethical? Really?

I couldn't count all the trials and Supreme Court arguments I've read about in which a trial judge or Supreme Court justice makes gratuitous statements out loud that clearly tell the world which way he/she is leaning. I'll bet Alito himself already signaled his thoughts last year during arguments on this same case. What purpose do such statements serve other than to influence public opinion behind the immunity given to a judge? Judges already breach their secrecy when it suits them. They shouldn't be the only ones.

I agree with the other posters who object to the blatant lying about their biases that Supreme Court nominees spout in order to get confirmed. I would add more openness, not less.

Responding to add:

According to this, the Supreme Court doesn't have enforceable ethical rules directly applicable to SC justices.

Clarence Thomas and his wife's text messages highlight missing ethics rules at the Supreme Court

Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas sits with his wife, conservative activist Virginia Thomas, at an October 2021 event. Drew Angerer/Getty ImagesTime and time again, the nation’s highest court has come under fire for failing to manage potentially unethical behavior by its justices...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Stuffshot]

Is that like Russian roulette on a ladder?

Do you think he understands the book titled Eats Shoots and Leaves?

 

[jet812]

Google American CEOs and "Golden Parachute".

He’s a public servant, not a CEO…

 

[Marvin the Martian]

He’s a public servant, not a CEO…

Right, billionaires have a right to rip off Americans because they are our betters.

 

[Stuffshot]

Actually Teddy Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912, He came in second to Wilson ahead of republican Taft 435-88-7 Eugene Debs from IN got 0

Give Debs his due.

In the 1920 election, Debs "received the largest number of popular votes ever received by a Socialist Party candidate in the United States", although he was incarcerated in the Atlanta Penitentiary at the time.

1920 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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