To be fair, both Bates and Geronimo were better offensive players than Galloway and Kopp last year, as well as Rob Phinisee, but you saw those 3 play in favor of Bates and Geronimo, not only at the end of the game but in regulation in general because of their defense. If you're still confused as to this, you didn't pay much attention.
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And they didn’t make mistakes. Woody hates turnovers and being out of position on D more than he likes better offense. I include that in my debates too. I never argue that Kopp etc. is better than a JG or a Bates. It’s just what woody wants.
Kopp and Galloway had no impact on Geronimo. He didn’t play because he wasn’t better offensively or defensively than Race or TJD.
Bates was not better offensively than Kopp or Galloway. Not even close really. He shot 34% from the field and 30% from 3. Galloway was 57% from the field and Kopp 36% from the field and 3.
If we had JBJ last year he would have been playing 30 mpg just like he did under Crean. His offense far outweighs his defense. You guys act like there aren’t star college basketball players every single year who are liabilities defensively. The good coaches are good at hiding it.
Don’t disagree that JBJ wouldn’t have played on last years team. He wouldn’t have been a more important piece than Troy Williams however.
If you include what Woodson wants neither one would play. It’s hard for me to get past Troy’s 100 turnovers. I’m thinking in Woodys terms. That’s a lot of possessions and we weren’t exactly great in that area. Got way better as the year went though.
I played juco in the mid 80s, may have crossed paths, I remember OG blocking a jump shot by Murray, that game was his coming out party, shame he got hurt his soph year we never got to see the best of him
Many of Troy’s turnovers were a product of the environment. Fast tempo, lack of half court sets, etc. We’ve seen Woody hone in on an erratic player in XJ and correct those kinds of mistakes. You can’t teach Troy’s skill set with that combination of athleticism. It’s why he’s been only one of the few players from Indiana in the last 5-6 years to see an NBA floor. Williams has an NBA skill set and that is something Woody is obviously comfortable working with.
KJ evans and some other talk of Bigs. Not Troy f’n Williams. Yikes. Partly my fault.
He was a good athlete that made terrible decisions at full speed.
Right now, we have X, Race and Miller all as seniors. Then everyone thinks this is TJD's last year (for real this time). Add in any transfers we may have as well and you never know the numbers we are playing with.
What’s dumb about it? The part where IU got nothing from its two off ball guards last year or that Blackmon was a terrible defender? Either way both are true.
You aren’t going to contend, let alone win anything of record with your 2 and 3 guards averaging 6 and 7 points collectively. That’s a no-no in todays basketball world.
Kaiser is now saying that he wants to take more visits before making a decision and we're one of the schools he wants to get to.
Said he's holding off on committing now, not doing it at the end of the month. Recruiting changes on a dime, so who knows anymore with these kids.
Saw on another site that Booker’s visit to IU the other day went extremely well. Evidently he and his folks were very impressed.
Woodson and staff are difference makers in recruiting and on the court. Booker plainly sees that as others will too.
TJD and X were the focal points, the rest are support players. Support players can't turn the ball over.
As much as I hate to admit it I don’t think that’s true! I think woody really likes kopp probably reminds him of some old school iu players. But I guess we will find out this year but I have a gut feeling kopp still starts.
Gordon Yogi, zeller, Vic, Romeo, Morgan, OG, and TB are eight others that have seen the floor in the last 5-6 years.
Gordon (nope) Yogi (nope) Zeller (nope) Vic (nope) Romeo (nope) Morgan (yeah! you got one) OG (another one...you're on a role) TB (yep, definitely on a role).
The others played for IU of course just not in the last 6 yrs. Don't care who wins the argument just thought we should be accurate.
Even if it was they played at IU in the last 6 years and have played in the league (which isn't the case), you're not accurate either. Romeo is a yes.
They were talking about former IU players logging NBA minutes in the last 6 years.
You can’t come in out if left field and bust balls and be wrong. How you gonna say Romeo hasn’t played in the last 6 years? Nvm, he is very forgettable.
Troy is on the short list of former IU players in the last 5-6 who have logged NBA minutes. Gordon, Vic, Zeller, Vonleh all came before Troy. OG is the only player in that time frame who plays a significant role in the NBA. Romeo, TB, Juwan and Yogi along with Troy are the other players to see an NBA floor. Acting like Troy was some destitute player is laughable.
Wait, you didn't know that you should throw out big words to try to cover for being wrong???? How else are you going to look smart after looking stupid????
Word destitute as an adj applies perfectly here.
destitute • \DESS-tuh-toot\ • adjective. 1 : lacking something needed or desirable 2 : lacking possessions and resources; especially : suffering extreme poverty.
What was I wrong about? Name the players from IU who have played in the NBA since Troy Williams left campus? Who am I missing?
I interpreted it different than you. I obviously was referring to who has played in the NBA in the last 6 years. When trying to correct me, you said Romeo did not play in the last 5-6 years.
Im poking fun at you for trying to correct me, while still being wrong in your correction. Summer is slow, let's move on.
You're confusing me with someone else. HookyIU1990 is the one confused with Romeo. I never said anything about Romeo not playing in the NBA.
Don't ever apologize to Hooky. About anything. Ever.
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