So, are you saying that all the scums are Democrats and all the saints are Republicans?
If you really believed that, you really are simple-minded.
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If you really believed that, you really are simple-minded.
You and your experts. SMH. She said she wanted to testify and now she doesn’t.
stoll has become like a Gollum creature.So, are you saying that all the scums are Democrats and all the saints are Republicans?
If you really think that way, you have not lived life.
So, are you saying that all the scums are Democrats and all the saints are Republicans?
If you really think that way, you really are simple-minded.
Hillary identified people who voted against her as deplorables. Biden just said those people are the dregs of society. I am saying the democrats doing this political hit job on Kavanaugh and his family and anyone who supports the treatment he’s getting are the scum of the scum.
You are talking about an single individual, a social media interloper, democratic operative attorneys, and Senate Democrats, all who are viscerally opposed to Kavanagh, engaging in a horribly unfair smear campaign of innuendo of the worst order—sexual assault on a minor. I don’t blame Ford from backing away from public questions. She has some tough questions facing her and I think her charge will fold like a cheap suit.
All this talk about her receiving the benefit of the doubt and believing her is based entirely and solely on the Resistance! A good and descent man has been trashed by the crazies who believe women will be sex slaves if he is on SCOTUS. Kavanaugh is now in the impossible position of proving a negative. The Democrats have gone stark raving mad and we all lose.
Put yourself in her situation.
Without complete investigation, preferably by an independent-minded group such as FBI, she will be debating in thin air. It will become "you did it!" vs "No, I didn't!" Is that what you want or are you so simple-minded?
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The liberals aren't the ones rushing to judgment. Rather, the liberals are asking for more facts and more information.
The people saying things like this are the ones rushing to judgment.
What's your point?
Shall I start listing what your saintly president Trump said of various people? Even without Trump, you can list a number of Pubs who called people by similar or worse names. You are not that naive, are you? Are you really??
After 35, 36, 37 years or however many years, that’s all it’s going to be, she said, he said. She should have known that from the start except the scum who sucked her into this probably told her they’d sink Kavanaugh without her ever identifying herself with the power of the #metoo movement. Last week her scum handlers wanted her to testify and tell her story. Now the scum want delay. All they did is use a woman that something probably happened to but she nor anyone really knows for sure who, what or where. If she don’t know the FBI sure isn’t going to know. Can’t you just be real and admit this is all about delay and get him and payback for Garland. To hell with Kavanuagh and his family. Ask the Duke Lacross players how this game plays out.
I wonder where you heard that talking point...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hannity-dems-dont-want-serious-014836673.html
who got himself appointed to judgeship of a federal court by perjuring himself.
Not true at all. Between the statements of Ford and King, proving his innocence, if he is, couldn't be simpler, as clearly outlined already in this thread.
Yes, we being conservative white males. The winners are all honest, sentient Americans* and by example the rest of the world. No exceptions. Ford has joined the exclusive club of people who have sacrificed to advance the better interests of all of us. We're all indebted to her, even the ignorant who are so small they view themselves as the center of the universe.
* Actually, there are no losers when the world is made better.
1) So, you are telling us how simple-minded person you are. Worse, you are a hopeless partisan.
2) Why do you come up with a conclusion that she was induced by "the scum?" Is it at all possible that she came forward because she felt strongly that a guy who tried to rape her should not be a supreme court justice? To disclose one's dark past requires a courage. Put yourself in her shoes. If you were raped or near-raped, would you announce that to the whole world that fact? I am surprised that you have not called her a slut or some such choice word. Is it at all possible that she thought the supreme court justice should have strong moral value, and as a citizen of the US, she felt obligated to come forward, knowing that she will be ridiculed by the likes of you? Do you know how difficult for a woman to say in public "I was nearly raped?" Of course you do not, or perhaps I should say I "hope not." Otherwise, you wouldn't be so cruel to address her the way you are doing now. You need to apologize to her.
3) You keep calling her scum. I don't know who is more of a scum, a person who says she was nearly raped which neither you nor I know for sure, or the person who calls someone a scum without knowing the truth.
4) It's good to know you have sympathy for Kavanaugh; he needs it. Yet, you are very insulting to the lady w/o knowing the truth. As for me, I have no idea who is telling the truth. As I posted a couple of times earlier, what happened nearly 40 years is not that important. I know she may not feel that way, but you cannot go back that far for a near-rape. However, if it really happened, then that means Kavanaugh is lying. If so, he has no business to sit on the bench. We cannot afford to have a liar in the supreme court. We already have a master liar for a president!
5) Do you remember all the details of 30 some years ago? What makes you think she should? You are being absurd. If you or anybody were raped or near-raped, you or s/he will definitely remember. Maybe you are a very insensitive partisan, so I will use me instead. If something like that happened to me 30 some years ago, I would definitely remember the horror, and it is quite possible that I would still shudder in my dreams. However, it is very unlikely that I would remember the exact time and exact date. Don't be so silly to argue such details. You are better than you are trying to present yourself, I hope
.It amazes me that any one thinks dork ass, Kavanaugh and his librarian hair actually did this.
1) So, you are telling us how simple-minded person you are. Worse, you are a hopeless partisan.
2) Why do you come up with a conclusion that she was induced by "the scum?" Is it at all possible that she came forward because she felt strongly that a guy who tried to rape her should not be a supreme court justice? To disclose one's dark past requires a courage. Put yourself in her shoes. If you were raped or near-raped, would you announce that to the whole world that fact? I am surprised that you have not called her a slut or some such choice word. Is it at all possible that she thought the supreme court justice should have strong moral value, and as a citizen of the US, she felt obligated to come forward, knowing that she will be ridiculed by the likes of you? Do you know how difficult for a woman to say in public "I was nearly raped?" Of course you do not, or perhaps I should say I "hope not." Otherwise, you wouldn't be so cruel to address her the way you are doing now. You need to apologize to her.
3) You keep calling her scum. I don't know who is more of a scum, a person who says she was nearly raped which neither you nor I know for sure, or the person who calls someone a scum without knowing the truth.
4) It's good to know you have sympathy for Kavanaugh; he needs it. Yet, you are very insulting to the lady w/o knowing the truth. As for me, I have no idea who is telling the truth. As I posted a couple of times earlier, what happened nearly 40 years is not that important. I know she may not feel that way, but you cannot go back that far for a near-rape. However, if it really happened, then that means Kavanaugh is lying. If so, he has no business to sit on the bench. We cannot afford to have a liar in the supreme court. We already have a master liar for a president!
5) Do you remember all the details of 30 some years ago? What makes you think she should? You are being absurd. If you or anybody were raped or near-raped, you or s/he will definitely remember. Maybe you are a very insensitive partisan, so I will use me instead. If something like that happened to me 30 some years ago, I would definitely remember the horror, and it is quite possible that I would still shudder in my dreams. However, it is very unlikely that I would remember the exact time and exact date. Don't be so silly to argue such details. You are better than you are trying to present yourself, I hope
The Dem senators who are leading this hit job, the leaker of her story and her handlers are scum. I didn’t say she’s scum. I think she was probably mislead on how this would turn out. I have no idea if she has a mistaken memory on who did something to her or isn’t telling the truth. I don’t believe Kavanuagh did what he’s accused of.
This is incorrect. The FBI is charged with vetting the backgrounds of federal judges, I believe it’s those that are appointed for life. Which includes Supreme Court justices.
If this were the case, then the FBI wouldn’t have re-opened their inquiry when Anita Hill came forward (pre senate hearing).
You guys are mixing up different types of inquiries.
Trump can immediately order the FBI to re-open the inquiry. He could’ve done it all along. Just like either HW or W did with Clarence Thomas.
And, to re-open the FBI looking into K’s background, the order now (since the initial review is complete) would have to come from the White House. And while Trump says there’s no rush and it should be checked out, the senate pubs obviously disagree. They want to ram this through, no matter what. Which would be a mistake, and would taint K’s term on the S.C. If nothing happened, then why not let it be shown?
And, if it essentially boils down to he said, she said, why not bring in the other person present during the incident (K’s buddy)? If they really wanted to get to the truth, they’d bring him in to testify.
And, many of you are professionals. Is it common to set a deadline for someone to travel across the country in less than a week, without clearing it with that person? And in this case, that person’s legal team. It’s an insane proposition.
And, some of you are being very tribal, and ignoring that victims of sexual abuse often behave like this woman is behaving. It’s not only common, but par for the course.
Also, if it were purely political, think about this. If further investigation reveals nothing, the Dems would look bad. But the pubs are clearly worried that they may lose the senate, and want to ram this guy through. Even though it was OK to hold up Merrick Garland for 8 months. And instead of appointing someone in the interim role, Obama assumed that HRC would win, and let it be.
It’s as if the pubs learned absolutely nothing from the Anita Hill hearings. If that whole thing had happened now, Thomas wouldn’t have been confirmed. And the allegations here are much worse than what Hill stated.
Why not do this right, and give it some time to sort itself out?
With a witness to the event not even being questioned. A lot of folks are forgetting that no effort has been made to hear what he has to say.
BTW, his statement was horsechit. It was inconsistent, and was the type of statement that investigators know is inconsistent. He said he didn’t remember, and then said he didn’t want to talk about it. If someone truly didn’t remember, they would say there’s no point in talking about it. He said he didn’t want to talk about it. A little slip that reveals he’s BS’ing. Why not bring him in and put him under oath if it never happened?
Had none of this been out there, there would be a federalist society judge either confirmed or almost confirmed. MCConnell was correct when he said not to nominate K. Because there’s just too much history out there in him- the more in the record, the more chances for issues. It’s like when an NBA team drafts a freshman, and drafts him BEFORE the warts show up. Meanwhile, the senior is more seasoned and a better player right now- but the warts have had four years to show up and be clear to everyone.
This whole thing is a joke. And if the pubs ram this through like they appear they will do, they are only going to turn off even more suburban women from voting for pubs in the midterm, and fire up more folks on the left.
It’s a bad move all the way around for the pubs. But, during the Trump presidency, we’ve all seen the willingness to abandon decency and upholding norms to gain a few policies/judges being appointed. I think many are going to look back and regret what they did not only during the Trump presidency, but during this incident as well.
It’s stupid, but it was VERY predictable. And it really sucks. It disappoints me that tribalism has completely clouded many pub’s vision/sense of decency.
Stoll- I love you man, but back up. Please. Your partisan is showing.
Your comments are BS. And quite frankly, it makes me a little angry. “They” didn’t do anything- Dr. Ford did this all in her own damnit. It’s not some vast left wing liberal conspiracy. And if pisses me off, I can’t imagine how many women feel right now- especially those that have had incidents like this one. And there’s a LOT of them.
She knew what happened, and saw what being quiet gets you in the trump era- more madness, and a further degradation of normalcy and decency.
She knew that her life would be turned upside down- and spoke with reporters anyway. Her family is literally in hiding right now- and all the pubs want to do is focus on getting her to a sham hearing, across the country- without consulting her before setting the hearing. Think about what’s going on here. You’re not thinking about the whole situation. And the attitude towards Dr. Ford is a little chauvinist, quite frankly. I hope you or a woman in your life never has to go through what she’s dealing with- it’s terrible. And it does change a person, and they often don’t respond the way you think they should.
Don’t pin this on “they” or the “left”. This is about someone that feels victimized, and strongly feels that the story needs to be out there before someone has arguably more power than almost anyone else in the federal government. For life.
Why is it always conspiracies for some on the right? It always boils down to a Clinton or Soros being behind everything- and that’s laughable. No one could spend that much time on what they’re accused by some of doing, and keep everyone quiet about it to boot. It’s insanity. (Not saying stoll is saying this, but others have already mentioned Clinton being involved somehow).
if it goes down the way the pubs are pushing for it to go down, they’re going to do even further damage to their electoral chances moving forward. There was a huge backlash following the Anita Hill treatment (including by Biden, BTW), and it showed in the following election cycle. Me too just happened, and folks that ordinary aren’t political by nature are absolutely fired up by the insanity that is the Trump presidency. I have a feeling women are going to speak and speak very loudly in the midterms. Pub women won’t show up like they normally do (women are the most reliable voting demographic), and lib women are going to show up in force.
Again, why not let this play out a little, for Dr. Ford and K’s sake? If it goes down like the pubs want, then his appointment will be tainted. And if there’s no “there” there, why would K want that? And if it’s all BS, the Dems will look bad. I don’t understand the push to confirm- unless it’s about the clock running out on them. Pretty clear that’s ALL rhe push for the nomination is about.
The whole thing has too many red flags. And reeks of one party exercising the power that they have now- but knows it’s going away soon, so they try to ram everything through that they can. Similar to the outgoing N.C. pub governed and gerrymandered all to hell N.C. house trying to change the rules on the way out to limit the incoming dem governor’s power. Basically it’s just exercising raw political power that won’t be for them soon.
If they hold the hearings, history will show it to be a desperate move.
And what happens if something does come out on this later? Or, something else?
It was discovered tonight that K left out a comment about “what happened at Georgetown prep stays at GP” in the speeches transcripts he sent to the senate judiciary committee. It’s s damn transcript- that was videotaped, and with the internet, the true text of the speech is out there forever. Again, why was this left out?
Ordinarily, this wouldn’t be viewed as a big deal. But now, it looks worse. Given some of the concealment of records and charges of him lying about knowing about stolen documents while he was in DC before (another can of worms), it starts to look like something else entirely.
What about teenage girls seeingit thinking. Hey, I can say anything against a boy and it will cause trouble? Maybe I am mad because he liked my friend better so if I say he tried to rape me I can cause him a lot of trouble?
A question for the lawyers, is this story accurate regarding passing the bar? Basically it is this, if Kavanaugh was just now applying to the bar and this accusation was made, they would investigate and would delay his admission if needed?
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The bar is so low now for a lifetime appointment for the Supreme Court?
At this rate, they can just change their name to the Rapepublican Party or Gang of Pedophiles (GOP) since its becoming a regional party.
I'm not sure about catastrophe, but I do think it would be better from a political standpoint to conduct an investigation, as much as is possible given the facts. I'm not sure what the downside of that is. Uncover something and they've dodged a bullet. Uncover nothing and their runway is clear.
On the flip side, I also don't see why Dr. Ford refuses to testify until said investigation is complete. Her story is her story and unless she's planning on changing it based on information uncovered later, why the delay? Her Monday testimony doesn't in itself preclude an investigation. They can both take place, regardless of the order.
Unfortunately it's looking like neither will happen.
Same ole same ole. The Pubs are racing to confirmation because it is becoming clearer that others are coming forward to back up the claim. In fact, it appears there may be a pattern to these privileged boys back in the day. I wonder what you are afraid of? Why the rush? How do we all lose by taking some time to look at the situation and talk it thru with her, and others that are coming forward? If he is a "good and decent man", surely that would come thru? It appears he has a problem with memory and facts throughout the process....and we all know you do, that is generally your common thread. Blowhards will be blowhards.
What precludes an investigation is Republicans' refusal to conduct one. The current plan is to have Ford and Kavanaugh testify on Monday, then vote -- without an investigation. I hear Ford expressing reluctance to star in a pointless spectacle.
What others? Judge, the other dude she named, says nothing like it ever happened.
She told others it happened during the summer, yet the woman who made the Facebook post says it was discussed at school.
Ford also said she told no one, so if it was discussed anywhere, one of the other 2 who were supposedly there would have had to tell somebody and they both say it never happened.
What a mess.
I get that. And I acknowledged that it would be better to conduct one. But my suspicion based on my distrust of everyone is that they know the Republicans won't conduct an investigation and it provides a excuse to avoid direct testimony. This is a game of chicken being played, not necessarily by Dr. Ford personally, by by those moving the pieces on the board.
I think they should conduct whatever investigation is possible under the circumstances. I'm just not ready to dismiss the gamesmanship being played here. They aren't mutually exclusive.
It’s the only apples to apples comparison there is on the matter.
Franken was gone the moment the photo came out. There’s no coming back from that. It there was a photo of BK he’d be gone.
That doesn’t change what should happen here. Do the investigation swiftly. Get the relevant people to testify. Could have it wrapped up by 9/28 if wanted. It does show that from an elected Democrat officials perspective, they care much much more when it’s a Republican on the firing line than one of their own.
I asked that question early in the thread; i.e., if it were true, should the allegations bar Kavanaugh from the Supreme Court? Not just whether it's expedient to find somebody else, but whether that should automatically disqualify him. I don't think you'll find an overwhelming answer in either direction on that question if answered by posters in this thread. If so, most of the arguments in this thread are doomed to fail because everyone will be talking past each other.
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The bar is so low now for a lifetime appointment for the Supreme Court?
At this rate, they can just change their name to the Rapepublican Party or Gang of Pedophiles (GOP) since its becoming a regional party.
I hope she will see her testifying is anything but pointless. I'm concerned she's getting bad advice. She's needs to know she's not attempting to appeal to the privileged egomaniacs who enabled her attempted rape and who are enabling its cover-up. She's appealing to the rest of us. Her account needs to be on record. Whether it's a brick or merely a bit in the anti-American wall that needs to be smashed to flinders, it's something and it's important. The rest of us care and the rest of us are slowly wresting our country from talons of the egomaniacs who are so prominently represented in this microcosm called the Water Cooler.
Why the rush? So we can get him a confirmation before the election so we can have another conservative judge for life! But you knew that already.
You're looking for gamesmanship everywhere except where it's occurring. Ford says she wants to talk to the FBI. If she lied to the FBI, she'd commit a crime. That lends heft to her account. And "those moving the pieces on the board" are all Republicans. They're the ones with the power to determine what happens. And their decision to conduct no investigation demonstrates that this is all just theater.
What’s happened to Drhoops? I figured he would be all over this thread.
Partisan hackery? You attack republicans in the same post and then accuse them of partisan hackery? Your shit-covered soul says nothing about our resident spammer when he brags about the poor of the world he sleeps with in the orient. Could it be you are the hack? Hmmmmm......
Kavanaugh will be confirmed and the Dem “at all cost” approach and “the ends justify the means” approach is in full view to America. Wear it loud and wear it proud because you are painted with it and everyone knows.
Peek a boo I see you....
To me yes that’s disqualifying, particularly because it would have meant lying about it.
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