If I was judge Kavanaugh, I would be outraged that my good name has been slandered and speared. I would demand an immediate and full independent investigation of the allegations in order to clear my name. I would also file civil action against the accuser.
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If I was judge Kavanaugh, I would be outraged that my good name has been slandered and speared. I would demand an immediate and full independent investigation of the allegations in order to clear my name. I would also file civil action against the accuser.
Why couldn’t it be investigated in the next few weeks? Even if it slipped past the midterm, there’s still the lame duck session. The Republican Senate can vote whenever it wants.
Your post suggests that the real problem here is that Ford’s allegations are interfering with the partisan Republican schedule for Kavanaugh’s nomination. That it would be better for Republicans to vote now, without an investigation. That may be true. On the other hand, it could blow up all over them. But these partisan Republican considerations don’t offend you at all. You’re only offended by a possible disruption of the partisan Republican schedule.
Why does this question keep being asked after it’s repeatedly been answered. It’s almost as though you weren’t interested in the facts.
No, if this were truly about making sure Kavanaugh did or did not do this or was fit or unfit, we could have had this investigation already completed and we could have questioned him during the hearings. I am pissed that it appears to have been sat on for, from my outside view, appears to be a calculated political reason.
If Feinstein had made this info known 2 months ago as soon as she found out, then let's do it.
I am annoyed by the partisan political nature of this specifically because it appears to me that this was dropped to have the best partisan political impact. Not because of some higher calling to get to the truth.
Your narrative is directly contradicted by reporting discussed throughout this thread.
Right. In addition to parents, there's obviously another element, school peers and all that goes into that, in particular the jet set. Not only money entitles membership to the jet set, looks, athletic prowess, and so on. The jet set in Bton was relatively small. I have no idea how large it is in a wealthy Eastern prep school, but the boys in the jet set often have an arrogance of entitlement that permits some of them to think they can get away with anything, which is still a real problem for girls (and women).
There's nothing to vet. No report filed, no physical evidence, the one witness she says was there said it didn't happen, no date, no location, and Kavanaugh says it wasn't him. What more is there to ask/discuss?
Again, She was asked to keep the professor anonymous. I can't understand how we do not seem to agree on what the word "anonymous" means because I don't think that word means what half the conservatives here think it does. If Feinstein had come forward ignoring the wishes of her constituent, I suspect she would be blamed for bringing forward the charge when even the constituent didn't want it brought forward.
Yea, I know all about her supposed request. If an educated woman really thought the Dems would keep this confidential you’d have to question her education. But obviously she is smart and knew it was going to get out. She hired a resistance attorney who believes charges against republican men but not democratic men. She took a lie detector test and scrubbed her social media.
She knew exactly what would happen. Now she wants her allegation to ruin Kavanaugh without giving him the opportunity to face his accuser.
The whole thing seems odd to me....What exactly would Ford expect to come of her accusations in her letter? That it would just be put in a drawer?
One would have to be very naive to think such allegations in the middle of a extremely partisan SCOTUS confirmation wouldn't end up playing out much like it has.
Yep, I am not sure her request was reasonable. And I don't particularly like Feinstein, I would be content if she loses in November. But in this particular case I don't see how she is some devious mastermind. Look at it this way, we now know 1 person has come forward and said they recall hearing the stories. If Feinstein were a criminal mastermind, would she have found that person first and had them ready to go the moment she "leaked" this info?
Was Kavanaugh’s prep school by an chance “Baird”? I remember the character of the typical Baird man from “Scent of a Woman”."Smythe"? Really? Whatever you may believe, can we all just agree that, based on name alone, this guy is an entitled, elitist snob d-bag?
A new thought came to my mind and it is again based around a statute of limitations and personal decisions. This is not about whether it happened or didn't happen. Ford made the conscious decision when she was 17 that getting justice for the alleged incident did not over ride the effort required to get justice. Then living through 30 years of stress, anxiety, panic she brings it back to the surface. Even with all these years of torment, she again makes the decision that getting justice is not as important as the steps required to attain justice. SO she spends 6 more years of complete anguish, and so far it seems that the decision is once again, Justice isn't important enough for me to go testify.
Yet some people think we need to dedicate 1 minute of time to investigate what the alleged victim has already decided wasn't worth the efforts. Again, I have no idea if it did or did not happen, but I do not want $.01 of my money spent on something that she herself has already judged 3 times.
And yes I hear some of you, "you don't know what sex assault does to your mind". Maybe not, but I do know there is relief in justice ("owning" your perpetrator). If its that important to her, bring it!
Yet some people think we need to dedicate 1 minute of time to investigate what the alleged victim has already decided wasn't worth the efforts. Again, I have no idea if it did or did not happen, but I do not want $.01 of my money spent on something that she herself has already judged 3 times.
And yes I hear some of you, "you don't know what sex assault does to your mind". Maybe not, but I do know there is relief in justice ("owning" your perpetrator). If its that important to her, bring it!
Agree up until the last sentence. In a civil case then the burden of proof would fall upon him to prove a negative, and moreover, with only a vague notion of when/where/how it supposedly happened. Sure, in a civil case he only needs a preponderance of the evidence, but even that would be very very hard to establish.
And reading an interview with her brother, her life was hell and she still receives ramifications. Yes, FINALLY something happened. But what happened to her? You didn’t address that.
See COH has told me the same thing happened to him before. I’m always on a mobile device and when I checked it, that’s the reference. But that’s going to cause a lot of misunderstandings. Really strange.
Well I meant good for you sincerely. And just because I’m not telling my personal experiences in this thread doesn’t mean I don’t have any. Every woman does. I’ve been involved in a sexual abuse prevention group through IU and have had quite a bit of information presented to me , in addition to personal research. So that bubble you’re talking about? Lol at that.
As for the politics, it doesn’t really make much sense. As other people have said, does anyone think Trump would actually come back with a moderate candidate....you know like a Garland? Of course not.
Republicans have a unique opportunity to use the Supreme Court to repeal Roe v Wade but they might be blowing their chance to win in the Court of Public Opinion.
If McConnell and Grassley et al. aren't careful, they'll just be reinforcing the above argument and setting conservative progress back three decades.
Judging from the arguments conservatives have laid out in this thread, I assume our esteemed conservative WC posters prefer to keep women in their place.
[T]he allegation of sexual assault against Brett Kavanaugh represents a uniquely dangerous moment for a pro-life movement that has spent decades working toward the goal of a fifth Supreme Court vote to amend or overturn Roe v. Wade.
The basic problem is that sentient conservatives have had to find a way to change their traditional view of women to one of gender egalitarian. This is the view they've had to contend with:
“While on the surface it is the embryo’s fate that seems to be at stake,” the sociologist Kristin Luker wrote in 1984, “the abortion debate is actually about the meaning of women’s lives.”
...As much as opponents of abortion claim to care about the killing of the unborn, the argument goes, in reality abortion restriction is a means to a different end: The restraint of women’s choices, the restriction of their sexual freedom, their subordination to the rule of fathers and husbands and patriarchy writ large.
...As much as opponents of abortion claim to care about the killing of the unborn, the argument goes, in reality abortion restriction is a means to a different end: The restraint of women’s choices, the restriction of their sexual freedom, their subordination to the rule of fathers and husbands and patriarchy writ large.
If McConnell and Grassley et al. aren't careful, they'll just be reinforcing the above argument and setting conservative progress back three decades.
Judging from the arguments conservatives have laid out in this thread, I assume our esteemed conservative WC posters prefer to keep women in their place.
She got ran through the ringer. Her life got flipped similar to the innocent guys at Virginia and Duke who were on the other side of one of these situations.
It sucks, but sometimes that happens in situations like this. It is similar to the taking of sides that can occur in contentious custody hearings or divorces as well. People tend to take sides. It sucks but sometimes that is how things work out. (Not saying it is right either). It is better than the alternative though.
That’s been patently obvious since day one. At least, to everyone who isn’t partisan.
You know, this is OK but my real question is who else was at this "party"? Just three people?
Has anyone else come forward to say they were at this party?
No ones even sure anything happened AT ALL, at this point. She can’t even remember the YEAR.
She said something happened to her and that he did it. There’s LITERALLY nothing else.
And it all suddenly surfaces at the 11th hour?
Come on. Open your eyes. Regardless of what did or didn’t happen to her, she’s being used by the Democrats.
Yep. And you’ve seen the stats. You know the false accusations are well under 10%. And it’s pretty close to 100% that the victim will be shamed , her life dissected, etc.
AND don't forget the new standard set here. Since he adamantly denied that he did this, he is obviously guilty. This should save a huge amount of money in our legal system, which is a plus. The down side, 90% of attorneys are now out of work (wait, is that bad?).
How’s that? Didn’t she on her own send a letter to her representative? No one is sure anything did happen and no one is sure anything didn’t happen. But one person wants the FBI to investigate and one person doesn’t. Wouldn’t you want your name cleared of these scurrilous accusations? Evidently Kavanaugh doesn’t. I find that quite odd.
Where are you finding anyone, anyone at all, on this 30page thread, that has said he is obviously guilty? All you find are people saying they should investigate. I think you’ll find (but I can’t say for sure since I’ve put many people on ignore) there’s more people saying she is not telling the truth than anyone saying he is guilty.
Oh man, this comment of yours is highly suspect: "they wouldn't investigate it as they have no jurisdiction over the offense alleged."
This would be an investigation of matters relating to a nomination of a person to serve for life on the U.S. Supreme Court. Who in their right mind would doubt that the fricking FBI has jurisdiction ?
What you went through is tragic, traumatic and many other bad things. I don't doubt what you said about human memory.
I think they both end up getting dissected. In many instances the girl does not deserve that and the guy does. In some instances the girl deserves it and the guy does not. You are not going to hear me argue that life is fair, it isn't.
What I will say is that women need to be forthcoming when they feel like they have been wronged in this way. I believe that younger women are having more of a voice with this and that is good. (See Dr. Nassar) Yes, you will be questioned. That is inevitable. It is natural in a process that often starts out as he said and she said and people with competing interests in each of the individuals telling the truth or not. However, the ability to move past that greatly increases if the incident is reported ASAP.
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