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Whatever.
It was either post a tweet from "Dan Wetzel" or radio zero and I chose Wetzel.Whatever.
“Dan Wetzel” sounds completely made up.
It’s funny listening to SEC pundits. Their heads are so swollen they have people holding them up. They completely disregard the other factors that would keep the B1G from being raided. They also talk nonsense about “scraps”.
Maybe nonrev teams fend for themselves in other or more regional leagues. Football and b-ball go to national super conferences and the left handed sports do their own thing. Kentucky and South Carolina play soccer in conf USA. It already occursThe Pac 12 has traditionally been a travel averse conference. UCLA particularly despises spending money on travel and has gone so far as requesting travel reimbursements from the PAC 12 after a game was cancelled when a ref tested positive for Covid on game day. They were still utilizing commercial flights as recently as the '19-'20 season.
If you go look at scheduling for the basketball teams, you'll see that the conference plays in regional pods. Road games strung together, much like an NBA coastal swing. A team will play Washington & Washington St on the road within days of each other. ASU/Arizona, USC/UCLA, Oregon/Oregon St, etc... are all scheduled as 3 or 4 day road trips. If they do that for a revenue sport, how would the non-rev sports work?
It would be interesting to see how the various schools would react to the possibility of extended travel requirements.
I’m sorry but that’s nonsense. KU runs a heck of an AD that’s in the top 30 every year. The Football team is a joke but it wasn’t even 15 years ago they were winning Orange Bowls, none of this stuff is stagnant, look at IUFB. Plus they have a basketball fan base that’s even more rabid than ours if you want to talk about BTN eyeballs.KU does nothing for the B1G in terms of additional revenue just a drain on the average revenue each school gets now. What other multitude of reasons overcomes that.
I've said this for a long time: do whatever you're going to do with football and basketball to maximize revenues and ratings (four 16 team super-conferences seems to make sense: ACC, SEC, B10, PAC12?), but leave the non-revenue sports to more traditional regional conferences. There's no good reason to make cross country, track and golf teams jet across the country as it only depletes dollars, stresses real student athletes academically and makes it harder for their families to get to see them play/perform.Maybe nonrev teams fend for themselves in other or more regional leagues. Football and b-ball go to national super conferences and the left handed sports do their own thing. Kentucky and South Carolina play soccer in conf USA. It already occurs
Norman OK? No. Texas, well, uh....I’m sorry but that’s nonsense. KU runs a heck of an AD that’s in the top 30 every year. The Football team is a joke but it wasn’t even 15 years ago they were winning Orange Bowls, none of this stuff is stagnant, look at IUFB. Plus they have a basketball fan base that’s even more rabid than ours if you want to talk about BTN eyeballs.
Your over simplification into “Big Markets” is idiot thinking. Is the SEC trying to capture the Norman, Oklahoma market?
Get bent.
agreed. and it really is like two separate athletic departments anywayI've said this for a long time: do whatever you're going to do with football and basketball to maximize revenues and ratings (four 16 team super-conferences seems to make sense: ACC, SEC, B10, PAC12?), but leave the non-revenue sports to more traditional regional conferences. There's no good reason to make cross country, track and golf teams jet across the country as it only depletes dollars, stresses real student athletes academically and makes it harder for their families to get to see them play/perform.
I was really taking exception with the oversimplification into, which schools are in large markets. Markets are only important insofar as they generate eyeballs. KU generates eyeballs, more so than UMass or some of the other silly suggestions in this thread. Rutgers is theoretically in the NYC market, but it's not like they're a major asset to to the B1G.Norman OK? No. Texas, well, uh....
Plus OK gives them another program that can make the football playoffs which is a big revenue maker for the conference.
I was really taking exception with the oversimplification into, which schools are in large markets. Markets are only important insofar as they generate eyeballs. KU generates eyeballs, more so than UMass or some of the other silly suggestions in this thread. Rutgers is theoretically in the NYC market, but it's not like they're a major asset to to the B1G.
Agreed, TV markets are a big part, but not the only part, as we both point out. OK might not provide much in the way of a new TV market, but they are a national and historical program in fball (bigger plus than bball), provide an opportunity at a fball playoff or bowl appearance, and generate interest/ratings with their rivalries. many of those don't apply with KU or are reduced because it's bball and not fball, and as you rightly point out, none really apply to Rutgers. Culling some members might be part of this realignment. Oregon for instance, would be a big upgrade over RU.I was really taking exception with the oversimplification into, which schools are in large markets. Markets are only important insofar as they generate eyeballs. KU generates eyeballs, more so than UMass or some of the other silly suggestions in this thread. Rutgers is theoretically in the NYC market, but it's not like they're a major asset to to the B1G.
Tbh, the options are limited. A PAC-12 school is a pipe dream. You're not likely to get a defector from the ACC or SEC. Notre Dame is already in deep with the ACC, if they join a conference, that will be it.I don't have any confidence in the B1G here....I would expect some second tier programs to join the B1G, such as Ok St, and maybe Iowa State...multiplying the Nebraska effect. I think the B1G would focus on demographics, not $$...jmo.
Problem with Acc schools is the big contract they would have to get out of. I think ND is even included. The contract is like through 2035. Something insane. The PAC 12 and B1G are very close to the end of there’s. Big 12 too. I don’t buy that the B1G just starts throwing out offers like the SEC did. From reports they sent all the big boys invitations. I think the B1G will stick to their AAU mantra. The problem with having all those teams in the SEC is all the “Haves” will not be “Haves” anymore. I think Texas will be in trouble. Texas a&m too.I look at the B1G busine$$ priorities being media market, quality schools, geographic and traditions of teams, makes going after ND the #1 target, Virginia 2nd. If there is to be 4 added the next 2 are less identifiable, clear and less attractive. Maybe Mo., KU, PITT, ISU, Cincy, Cuse. Maybe couple others. To throw a curve at the SEC and some tasty morsels to the Big12 and the PAC I like the thought of scheduling agreements for non-conference home and home contests. Throw the checkbook at ND. The return is for sure. The B1G doesn't have to be the SEC. Academics, geographic location and quality athletics have to be the standard. Go HOOSIERS!!
What is your definition of a good athletic department?Tbh, the options are limited. A PAC-12 school is a pipe dream. You're not likely to get a defector from the ACC or SEC. Notre Dame is already in deep with the ACC, if they join a conference, that will be it.
Kansas is a good cultural fit, with a good Athletic Department, and they are looking for an out. If we decide to make a move, they make sense.
High revenue athletic departments that are competitive.What is your definition of a good athletic department?
Football is non existent. Basketball should be on the death penalty.High revenue athletic departments that are competitive.
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Sounds like you’re a little scared of some basketball competition.Football is non existent. Basketball should be on the death penalty.
****, IU basketball can't beat Purdue so why would I think they could beat KU? IU has ben really struggling the last 20 years.Sounds like you’re a little scared of some basketball competition.
Excellent post.I've said this for a long time: do whatever you're going to do with football and basketball to maximize revenues and ratings (four 16 team super-conferences seems to make sense: ACC, SEC, B10, PAC12?), but leave the non-revenue sports to more traditional regional conferences. There's no good reason to make cross country, track and golf teams jet across the country as it only depletes dollars, stresses real student athletes academically and makes it harder for their families to get to see them play/perform.
If the Big 12 brings on Houston and Memphis, they could survive intact.The PAC merging with the remnants of the BIG 12 could result in an 18-20 Team Conference. Absent that or a merger between the BIG 12 & Mountain West to create an 18-20 Team conference, the only thing that seems certain is that the BIG 12's days are numbered.
Not at the level they are currently.If the Big 12 brings on Houston and Memphis, they could survive intact.