I agree i think purdue iu ucla ohio state thats where the big ten championship going to come from
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So you acknowledge Smith and Loyer are good. Heide and Colvin are athletic, long, and can shoot. You going to ignore that? Harris is coming in and looks really good. Same with Jacobson. Cox and Burgess look like they could be good, but how early? Same with Benter. I separate him because while he went to btown, he still played a tough schedule and consistently played better vs bigger schools and in tournaments. Hard to know what the freshman will be until they show up. They’ve reached the point where rankings do not mean squat.
He's going to go from averaging 3.3 points to potentially averaging 20 points? Put the Mike's Hard down.
Dead give away that SaratogaBoiler has rejoined us in a new capacity. Can't be more than one idiot out there who doesn't know how to use the simple reply function.
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Smith is good. I've taken more than a little friendly fire here for my stance on him. But having said that, I'm not certain he won't actually take a step back now that Edey is gone. Still will be a really good point guard, but so much of his activity happened as a direct result of Edey, or because Edey was attracting 2 sometimes 3 defenders. Even his rebounding abilities will be challenged greatly now with Edey being gone.
Loyer, without Edey...is mediocre at best. He was mediocre as often as he was good with Edey. I'm not sure how it gets anything but worse without Edey. He'll have some good games here and there, obviously. But by and large, no, I don't think he's all that good.
Heide is athletic, no clue if he can shoot or not, didn't look like it year 1. Colvin is athletic, but not what I'd call long. And he's streaky as heck as a shooter/scorer. One of the reasons he never led HC to much of anything in high school. Below .500 overall record I believe.
Where is Purdue gonna go this year when longer, athletic teams take Smith away, don't give Loyer open looks, and can guard the post 1 on 1? Painter will have some good movement and action to create some team look stuff, I'm sure. But they're gonna miss KC's ability to just go score.
But hey, keep up your optimism. You're probably gonna need it.
Painter might have gotten another very impactful huge big...but he's pretty skinny. He definitely won't have the impact that Edey had, especially his junior and senior year.
Here's the catch 22 for Painter and Purdue though, with regards to Jacobsen...they probably need him to be good and impactful. Not sure TKR an Furst are leading a B10 Championship contending front court. If Jacobsen is impactful, however, and shows any sort of consistent shot blocking and rebounding...and then any comfortability on the perimeter...he's a 1 and done candidate. With 7 footers like him...it doesn't often take that long. If he's good and impactful...which Purdue needs him to be...he'll have potential first round grades. That's what its like in the real world with impactful big men.
Came here to say the exact same thing. Jacobsen will get run this year but probably not physically ready to play long spurts. But the second he shows a modern offensive game he's going to start showing up on draft boards. Might be a scenario where he's gone without making a huge individual impact.
You're not trying to make a final four run this year? That's why it's OK to lose a top-40 recruit?
That makes zero sense to anyone who has expectations of being a championship program. Coast this year because you're not good enough and turn it on next year to try to make a run to the FF. That's a losing mentality. No wonder you've only been to 3 FF in the last 128 years of having a team, but you're ok with it.
1. I could see that with Smith. I also see a scenarios where he thrives in a more up tempo offense that plays 4 out and way quicker . Will certainly be interesting to see what his game looks like as the offense changes to evolve around him more than a big.
2. I mostly agree on Loyer. He’s good in big games and disappears way too much for my liking. He needs more frame as well. He’s on my list of guys that could lose their starting spot this year if they aren’t careful. But even then, he’s a 25 minutes a game guy imo.
3. Small sample size, but Heide was 18-40 from 3 last year. He’s only going to get better. I’m not too concerned about Colvin in high school. He’s at Purdue now and is actually getting coached by good coaches, and he seems to have learned what it takes to get better. Being pissed about losing the NC should help drive him. He was streaky as a freshman, but so were his minutes, so how could he find a rhythm?
Painter will figure it out. He and PJ will evolve the offense to fit the team. But length disrupting the guards was going to stop this team all last year and yet, until Purdue played the one team that was better than them, it didn’t. So it just doesn’t concern me all that much. Also not sure top 4 in the big ten is optimistic. Maybe it is, but it is the expectation. And Purdue doesn’t have anymore questions than any other team in the big ten.
What if Harris or Jacobson come in and are as good or better than KC would have been? Not crazy outlandish to think either of them could push to be an all big ten freshman of the year from what I’ve seen. Benter and Cox are both longer guards, with Benter having the ability to play some 3. Are they ready right away? Both look the part for sure. Where do they stack up for minutes. Lots of questions for sure, but 17 other teams have them.
I think Smith's scoring will increase because he's probably looking at getting 6+ more shots a game now with Edey gone, but his shooting percentage will drop a good bit as he has to take harder shots with teams focusing on stopping him, his assists will take a hit without Edey and his TO's will increase.
Just a guess...he might score a point or two more a game. But his assists and rebounds will go down, and his turnovers will go up. So...similar numbers maybe, but MUCH less efficient.
Look for a big jump out of Loyer. I think he goes heavy in the weight training and shows up in the fall at like 135, maybe 140 pounds.
You got the post you deserve. I only discuss basketball with people who actually understand basketball. You, are not that ... your purpose here is to be laughed at.
Dude. Are you splaying tupid about NIL or just horribly uninformed? The players are totally able to negotiate $$ amounts with the NIL collective from the school they attend. They agree to an amount, a payout schedule, and it is in NO WAY illegal to do that. There is a lawsuit right now because a collective at U of FL didn't follow through with their agreed to amount with a QB they had committed. Ballo knows exactly how much he's getting paid at IU, when he gets his checks, and it was agreed before he committed.
You totally did say Final 4 you liar. I even made it BOLD when I quoted your post. To summarize, you think since the BT is wide open, that the unathletic guards you return, plus nobody to replace Edey, will be going on the road in the BT and winning often. That's what it takes to finish in the top 4 in the BT. PU will have a losing road record in the BT. That puts them around 7th place.
Tobin Anderson, Shaheen Holloway, Grant McCasland
Mike Davis and Bruce Weber made FF's in year 2: PUke mindblow!
Bruce Weber made a final 4 in year two of what? His second job? I’m confused
Got ya. So none of them are athletic, none of them can shoot, and none of them look good? Just to confirm?
Sorry. Forgot the news rules that don’t allow NIL rules to be enforced. Apologies.
I didn’t bold crap in a post. My final four talk was about 25-26. KC’s sophomore year, where I said it hurts worse. But yes, the big ten is wide open this year. And the best PG in the big ten will lead Purdue to a top 4 finish. But you have no interest in discussing or being reasonable. You don’t like Purdues players and think they have no one good. That’s fine. Cheers
All iam saying is the recuiting at purdue is getting a lot better jacobson and harris was both in espn top 100
Ive read the posts you've made here. You're incapable of spelling out much of anything, chief.
The NIL rules allow $$ amounts, payment schedules, and all kinds of shit to be negotiated. It just can't come directly from the University. It is absolutely not an issue of rules not being enforced. You keep proving yourself clueless with each post about NIL. Then you wanna whine about my posts as well, while you continue to post in bad faith. Or you're really dumb.
I put your words in BOLD when I quoted and replied to you. Then you said you didn't say anything about the F4, so I told you that when I quoted your post and replied to you, that I put your words about the F4 in BOLD. Try and keep up.
I predicted 7th place. You took that to mean: "You don’t like Purdues players and think they have no one good."
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I see you deleted out most of my message to take 2 words out of context and completely ignored my question while also bringing up something different that the coaches you named and has nothing to do with college basketball. On brand.
Yes. You bolded where I said next year they will make a final 4. I could see how you are confused because this season of college basketball is 24-25. Next season is 25-26. Last season is 23-24. Sorry for the confusion. Had referred to this season elsewhere.
Also, it’s any good ones. Not no good ones. FYI
Also, you still haven’t clarified how this is incorrect “So you acknowledge Smith and Loyer are good. Heide and Colvin are athletic, long, and can shoot. You going to ignore that? Harris is coming in and looks really good. Same with Jacobson. Cox and Burgess look like they could be good, but how early? Same with Benter. I separate him because while he went to btown, he still played a tough schedule and consistently played better vs bigger schools and in tournaments. Hard to know what the freshman will be until they show up. They’ve reached the point where rankings do not mean squat.” something tells me you won’t tell me how “all of it pretty much” is wrong though. Oh well. Anyways, this is gotten way off topic of basketball discussion and into petty crap, so I’m out.
Has anybody ever seen Boiler and Saratoga in the same room? Einhorn is Finkle, Finkle is Einhorn!
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Define loaded? You are loaded
it is astounding to me that you continue to present hearsay as fact. I’d call it spin, but I think you genuinely believe it. A lot of hope and assumptions is going to lead to disappointment for you.
but that's countered by the fact that you just lost one of your highest rated recruits ever. Lot's of question marks about Paint doubling down on HS recruiting when the tide seems to be changing to mixing in transfers, which ironically, was successful for him last year. The new trend seems to be cutting the bottom half of your class in favor of mixing in experienced and proven transfers at positions of need, not recruiting 6 man, err, 5 man HS classes.
