Judges running amok

[UncleMark]

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MSN

Judge orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings • Ohio Capital Journal

A Butler County judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease. Butler County Common...

ohiocapitaljournal.com

 

[Sope Creek]

Pick your favorite:

MSN

Judge orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings • Ohio Capital Journal

A Butler County judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease. Butler County Common...

ohiocapitaljournal.com

Regarding that Ivermectin case . . . seems to me that the lady was down to a last resort sort of decision . . . and the court concluded "what can it hurt, if he's going to die anyway?". If you're down by 5 and the ball's on the 50 yard line with 2 seconds to go . . . why not try the Hail Mary . . . it almost seems like malpractice not to . . . but only in those circumstances.

BTW, I agree with the conclusion that the hucksters advocating for use of Ivermectin are in the same category with snake oil salesmen. In this instance, nothing else seems to have cured Mr. Smith, so why not try a little snake oil under a prescription and watchful eye of a physician who claims to have had some luck with it?

Regarding the other case - the custody revocation - I've been wondering when the vax/anti-vax divide was going to hit domestic relations orders. Seems to me that parents refusing to get vaccinated run a risk of being charged with child abuse if a kid gets COVID from an unvaxxed custodial or visiting parent . . . and maybe risks being charged with neglect if the parent puts the child at risk of infection by not getting vaxxed. So this decision doesn't surprise me in a way. IIRC, the court's charge is the best interests of the child, not what the custodial parent's preference is.

What does surprise me is that the court brought up the COVID vaccination issue sua sponte, or on his own. It wasn't raised by the other parent . . . which begs the question why the hell not?

 

[UncleMark]

What does surprise me is that the court brought up the COVID vaccination issue sua sponte, or on his own. It wasn't raised by the other parent . . . which begs the question why the hell not?

Based solely on the scant info in the article, this hearing was supposed to be about money. Either the judge has a burr up his ass or there's much much more going on than what the article presented. Probably some of both.

 

[Sope Creek]

Based solely on the scant info in the article, this hearing was supposed to be about money. Either the judge has a burr up his ass or there's much much more going on than what the article presented. Probably some of both.

The judge has wide latitude to raise any issue relevant to a domestic order in a DR (domestic relations) case. The lady paid her money and took her chances . . . and lost.

People think they're entitled to control so many things that they have no business being in control of . . . and are shocked to find out that somebody else has that control.

 

[bawlmer]

Do courts really want to get involved deciding access to care issues? I think not, it's a black-hole. This is a role for courts in countries that have determined health care is a human right (eg, Columbia and Brazil).

 

[Bill4411]

Noodle said in another thread that the patient died.

 

[UncleMark]

Noodle said in another thread that the patient died.

Would that be contempt of court?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

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MSN

Judge orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings • Ohio Capital Journal

A Butler County judge ruled in favor of a woman last week who sought to force a hospital to administer Ivermectin — an animal dewormer that federal regulators have warned against using in COVID-19 patients — to her husband after several weeks in the ICU with the disease. Butler County Common...

ohiocapitaljournal.com

That’s an incomprehensible and indefensible decision. It’s almost as if we’ve built vaccine into a supernatural superstition. To deprive a kid of parental contact because the kid is exposed to a condition that has a 99.9+ survival rate is awful. I wonder what that judge would do if the parent allowed the kid ride a bike with no helmet.

 

[UncleMark]

That’s an incomprehensible and indefensible decision. It’s almost as if we’ve built vaccine into a supernatural superstition. To deprive a kid of parental contact because the kid is exposed to a condition that has a 99.9+ survival rate is awful. I wonder what that judge would do if the parent allowed the kid ride a bike with no helmet.

Okay, and what about the other one?

 

[hoot1]

That’s an incomprehensible and indefensible decision. It’s almost as if we’ve built vaccine into a supernatural superstition. To deprive a kid of parental contact because the kid is exposed to a condition that has a 99.9+ survival rate is awful. I wonder what that judge would do if the parent allowed the kid ride a bike with no helmet.

CoH, good point, but what if the child was exposed to an environment where Covid was claiming many lives.

Certainly a judge would take this into consoderation.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Okay, and what about the other one?

There is a Dr. order that the hospital refuses to follow. This isn’t so clear. Hospitals don’t practice medicine. Physicians hold the license to do that.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

CoH, good point, but what if the child was exposed to an environment where Covid was claiming many lives.

Certainly a judge would take this into consoderation.

There are a million ways to disagree about health and safety of kids. For the court to weigh in, without near unanimity in expert opinion, is a mistake. Blood transfusion cases where the consequence is sure death, will prompt judicial intervention. I don’t think vaccines are the same.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

The judge has wide latitude to raise any issue relevant to a domestic order in a DR (domestic relations) case. The lady paid her money and took her chances . . . and lost.

People think they're entitled to control so many things that they have no business being in control of . . . and are shocked to find out that somebody else has that control.

I'll bet that judge in the domestic relations case gets reversed.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

I'll bet that judge in the domestic relations case gets reversed.

He reversed his own ruling, after the fact. I just read it.

 

[UncleMark]

He reversed his own ruling, after the fact. I just read it.

Drudge Effect

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

The Chicago judge, Shapiro, reversed his ruling, and I guess has now recused himself from the case. I talked to some family lawyers here who say he's a loose cannon and does crazy stuff all the time.

Judge reverses order that had barred unvaccinated mom from seeing son

Judge James Shapiro has questioned other parents about their vaccination status in previous hearings, the Sun-Times has learned.

chicago.suntimes.com

 

[Sope Creek]

The Chicago judge, Shapiro, reversed his ruling, and I guess has now recused himself from the case. I talked to some family lawyers here who say he's a loose cannon and does crazy stuff all the time.

Judge reverses order that had barred unvaccinated mom from seeing son

Judge James Shapiro has questioned other parents about their vaccination status in previous hearings, the Sun-Times has learned.

chicago.suntimes.com

Reminds me of a guy I went to high school with . . . he became a judge and ordered a woman to be sterilized as a part of her sentence.

 

[UncleMark]

Reminds me of a guy I went to high school with . . . he became a judge and ordered a woman to be sterilized as a part of her sentence.

Sentence? Or condition of probation? I'm thinking it would have to be the latter.

 

[Sope Creek]

Sentence? Or condition of probation? I'm thinking it would have to be the latter.

Nuance!!!

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Nuance, baby!

FIFY

 

[Stuffshot]

Reminds me of a guy I went to high school with . . . he became a judge and ordered a woman to be sterilized as a part of her sentence.

If he isn't already on the Supreme Court or already appointed for life as a federal judge, he probably missed his big chance unless Trump gets reinstated.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

If he isn't already on the Supreme Court or already appointed for life as a federal judge, he probably missed his big chance unless Trump gets reinstated.

I would have guessed he was a Democrat or appointed by a Democrat.

 

[Sope Creek]

I would have guessed he was a Democrat or appointed by a Democrat.

Nope . . . he's a Pub . . . and got beat in the last election he ran in.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[TMFT]

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For context, because lord knows EW won’t ever provide any.

Connecticut cannibal killer given conditional release after 2011 murder in which he ate victim's brain, eye | Fox News

An institutionalized man who confessed to the 2011 killing and cannibalism of a homeless man in Connecticut was granted a conditional release.

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[JamieDimonsBalls]

For context, because lord knows EW won’t ever provide any.

Connecticut cannibal killer given conditional release after 2011 murder in which he ate victim's brain, eye | Fox News

An institutionalized man who confessed to the 2011 killing and cannibalism of a homeless man in Connecticut was granted a conditional release.

www.foxnews.com

This is crazy. The guy got off a heinous, death penalty-worthy crime because of insanity. And now, some moron decided he is no longer a threat to society.

Of course, that assumes this murdering cannibal stays on his meds, adheres to counseling/therapy, etc. this is exactly why deinstitutionalization failed society.