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IU Targets in the Portal Discussion Thread (UPDATED 4/25)

top 5 in big 10 or the country? as far as boosters. I would think your more elite schools like Standford and Duke would have richer boosters than IU . Now an advantage we do have our football sucks so bad so why pay anyone. basketball only takes 5 or 6 top end talents to make a difference.
Country.

I can see Duke basketball up there, but (for example) Kentucky is going to crush a Stanford. This is MBB only. Football I would expect to be at the bottom of the Big10.
 
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I'm gonna guess that Bates won't transfer. He strikes me as a guy to rise to a challenge rather than run from one.

I'm gonna also guess that Woody won't run him off. He was off the bench early enough to make me believe that Woody likes the kid's potential.
Right, I just don't think we need a transfer at guard. We also have Gunn who will need more pt. Much better for future recruiting to develop what we have already.
 
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Country.

I can see Duke basketball up there, but (for example) Kentucky is going to crush a Stanford. This is MBB only. Football I would expect to be at the bottom of the Big10.
if you are talking revenue that doesn't factor into NIL , Nil can't be funded by the schools.
 
Duke and Marquette have steadily improved throughout the year, Purdue has plateaued at best.
It is interesting to read the inconsistencies on this board. Not too long ago, Purdue was being criticized for playing a soft pre-conference schedule. Then they play the Big Ten schedule and the BTT and win both. If they plateaued, which I disagree, it was from a high level.

By the way, ESPN's Borzello had Duke picked #5 in the country preseason. ESPN analysts had them picked 2nd or 3rd in the ACC behind NC and split with Virginia. So the argument that they got a whole lot better over the year based upon expectations is questionable.
 
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Thanks. I'll take it with the injuries we've had this year and in Woody's 2nd year.

BTW, Edey is a helluva player . . . .


I get it believe me, injuries suck. Right back at ya and TJD is having a unbelievable year and really gifted. In all kidding aside, I can see IU making a lot of noise in tourney.
Peace out
 
It is interesting to read the inconsistencies on this board. Not too long ago, Purdue was being criticized for playing a soft pre-conference schedule. Then they play the Big Ten schedule and the BTT and win both. If they plateaued, which I disagree, it was from a high level.

By the way, ESPN's Borzello had Duke picked #5 in the country preseason. ESPN analysts had them picked 2nd or 3rd in the ACC behind NC and split with Virginia. So the argument that they got a whole lot better over the year based upon expectations is questionable.
Duke's won 9 in a row and 12 out of their last 14 games. They've lost twice this calendar year. Playing as well as anybody in the country right now. Heralded freshman still typically play like freshman to start the year, Duke's freshman class has gotten steadily better as the year has progressed and no longer playing like freshman.

Purdue played out of their mind for a 10 day stretch nearly 5 months ago and hasn't come close to replicating it since. Fletcher Loyer is a shell of his former self.
 
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IU won the 2 games they played against Purdue, kudos. However, Purdue won the Big Ten regular season by a good margin and the BTT as well. They were ranked #1 in the country for a good part of the season. Purdue fans will happily trade those outcomes every year going forward. And if offered the same in reverse, IU fans would make the trade as well and you know it.
 
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I'm all about the portal, but pretty crazy that the portal is open before the tournament even begins. Schools like Louisville get a huge advantage to host portal targets while schools in the postseason have to simultaneously prepare for games.

Hopefully the IU staff is working hard on this because you would assume we have at least 3 openings with the impending departures of TJD and JHS, and likely 4 if Logan is gone as everyone predicts. IMHO, we need at least 2 impact transfers, if not three. We need 2 guys who can score, at least one person who can play the 4/5, and at least one deadly shooter (regardless of position).

I'll keep a running list of the targets, and where they ended up. If someone else has already created such a thread, let me know and I'll delete this.

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It is interesting to read the inconsistencies on this board. Not too long ago, Purdue was being criticized for playing a soft pre-conference schedule. Then they play the Big Ten schedule and the BTT and win both. If they plateaued, which I disagree, it was from a high level.

By the way, ESPN's Borzello had Duke picked #5 in the country preseason. ESPN analysts had them picked 2nd or 3rd in the ACC behind NC and split with Virginia. So the argument that they got a whole lot better over the year based upon expectations is questionable.
What did Borzello pick Purdue preseason? Did Purdue get a whole lot better during the course of the year, or should they have just been ranked to start the year?

We already know you have very little basketball knowledge, but it would be very embarrassing for you not to admit that Duke has gotten much better and is not the same team you played in Portland.
 
IU won the 2 games they played against Purdue, kudos. However, Purdue won the Big Ten regular season by a good margin and the BTT as well. They were ranked #1 in the country for a good part of the season. Purdue fans will happily trade those outcomes every year going forward. And if offered the same in reverse, IU fans would make the trade as well and you know it.
Yes, I would trade our Big Ten schedule for Purdue's soft Big Ten schedule.
 
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I don't think IU is top 5 in the country Miami payed Nijel Pack 800k this year. just takes 1 crazy billionaire to buy a complete team.
I agree 100% and I’ve posted that here. If Musk wanted to pay $500 million for kids to play somewhere he could.

But, it’s still about basketball and not how rich people that went to the school are. For example, if TJD was playing for Harvard what would he be making? Pennies on the dollar. TJD is getting the money he is as much for the uniform he is wearing as he is for his stats.
 
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It is interesting to read the inconsistencies on this board. Not too long ago, Purdue was being criticized for playing a soft pre-conference schedule. Then they play the Big Ten schedule and the BTT and win both. If they plateaued, which I disagree, it was from a high level.

By the way, ESPN's Borzello had Duke picked #5 in the country preseason. ESPN analysts had them picked 2nd or 3rd in the ACC behind NC and split with Virginia. So the argument that they got a whole lot better over the year based upon expectations is questionable.
Fan is short for "fanatic". Clearly you're a fan . . . .

Nice cherry-picking.
 
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Before you criticize anyone else's basketball knowledge, your prediction of Smith being a non-factor was way off. He did make the Big Ten All-Freshmen team. That is not something non-factors make.
 
I would be interested in Connor E. from Wisconsin to IU, but I assume he would prefer to take 15 shots a game there; he wouldn't get nearly the same green light here.

We need a stone cold shooter.
 
I agree 100% and I’ve posted that here. If Musk wanted to pay $500 million for kids to play somewhere he could.

But, it’s about basketball and not how rich people that went to the school are. For example, if TJD was playing for Harvard what would he be making? Pennies on the dollar. TJD is getting the money as much for the uniform he wearing as he is for his stats.
Sam Gilbert would like a word . . . .

I guess being rich is one part of the equation. Another would be how much emphasis the rich folks would put on having an elite basketball team.

UGA? Not so much compared to the football team. UCLA? Maybe more than UGA . . . .

Arkansas? Might be . . . there's a lot of money in and near Fayetteville, what with Bentonville right there.
 
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top 5 in big 10 or the country? as far as boosters. I would think your more elite schools like Standford and Duke would have richer boosters than IU . Now an advantage we do have our football sucks so bad so why pay anyone. basketball only takes 5 or 6 top end talents to make a difference.
I always see posters claim that we have the boosters to pay. How do they know this? Where are these top 5/ 10 numbers coming from. Are they guesses, facts?
 
Before you criticize anyone else's basketball knowledge, your prediction of Smith being a non-factor was way off. He did make the Big Ten All-Freshmen team. That is not something non-factors make.
What do Loyer’s ppg “round to” now? You still going to act like Duke is the same team you played in Portland?
 
What did Borzello pick Purdue preseason? Did Purdue get a whole lot better during the course of the year, or should they have just been ranked to start the year?

We already know you have very little basketball knowledge, but it would be very embarrassing for you not to admit that Duke has gotten much better and is not the same team you played in Portland.
Borzello did not pick Purdue in his Top 25 preseason. He did pick IU 14th so he was close there.

Given how things have turned out, if Purdue did not improve over the season, they then must have stayed at a high level.

By the way, as for the "soft schedule": last year Purdue played each of the top teams twice and finished 1 game out of first place. Did you give them credit for that? I doubt it. The nature of an unbalanced schedule is that some years will turn out differently than others. I am sure that at the beginning of the year, IU was looking forward to playing NW twice. And we all know how that turned out.
 
You've beat Purdue 3 times in 6 years ... recently due to JHS, a player that you wrote a $250k check to that didn't win you a thing so far... and he's gone after this season. Purdue shit the bed last season... in the Sweet 16. How often has IU been to the Sweet 16 recently? My point, Woodson has to recruit and the IU program is too rich in history to go year-to-year through the portal.

Once the Covid years dry up, all you'll have is mid-major kids and kids that didn't work out at their specific school.
So you're advocating to not play David Jenkins in the NCAA tournament then?
 
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Borzello did not pick Purdue in his Top 25 preseason. He did pick IU 14th so he was close there.

Given how things have turned out, if Purdue did not improve over the season, they then must have stayed at a high level.

By the way, as for the "soft schedule": last year Purdue played each of the top teams twice and finished 1 game out of first place. Did you give them credit for that? I doubt it. The nature of an unbalanced schedule is that some years will turn out differently than others. I am sure that at the beginning of the year, IU was looking forward to playing NW twice. And we all know how that turned out.
Purdue also got swept by Northwestern (and IU, but we all know that).

Purdue has gotten worse since the beginning of the year. Purdue started out hot shooting the ball, and it has taken a cliff dive since then. What are your 3 best wins on the season?
 
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I'm all about the portal, but pretty crazy that the portal is open before the tournament even begins. Schools like Louisville get a huge advantage to host portal targets while schools in the postseason have to simultaneously prepare for games.

Hopefully the IU staff is working hard on this because you would assume we have at least 3 openings with the impending departures of TJD and JHS, and likely 4 if Logan is gone as everyone predicts. IMHO, we need at least 2 impact transfers, if not three. We need 2 guys who can score, at least one person who can play the 4/5, and at least one deadly shooter (regardless of position).

I'll keep a running list of the targets, and where they ended up. If someone else has already created such a thread, let me know and I'll delete this.

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I'm a part of that everyone group but I certainly don't predict LD is heading out the door. I never expected him to be a situational or consistent rotation player in the paint with the resources playing in front of him this year. He knows that and has shown patience by not leaving after last season. In decades past we waited for 3rd and 4th year players to earn their chance. Also I believe no other player in CBB has the face to face in the paint experience going against Davis. He's got another offseason to mature and fill out which we'll be enjoying come conference time next year. I like Logan right where he is at.
 
You've beat Purdue 3 times in 6 years ... recently due to JHS, a player that you wrote a $250k check to that didn't win you a thing so far... and he's gone after this season. Purdue shit the bed last season... in the Sweet 16. How often has IU been to the Sweet 16 recently? My point, Woodson has to recruit and the IU program is too rich in history to go year-to-year through the portal.

Once the Covid years dry up, all you'll have is mid-major kids and kids that didn't work out at their specific school.
3 times in 2 years, Scooter.
 
I'm a part of that everyone group but I certainly don't predict LD is heading out the door. I never expected him to be a situational or consistent rotation player in the paint with the resources playing in front of him this year. He knows that and has shown patience by not leaving after last season. In decades past we waited for 3rd and 4th year players to earn their chance. Also I believe no other player in CBB has the face to face in the paint experience going against Davis. He's got another offseason to mature and fill out which we'll be enjoying come conference time next year. I like Logan right where he is at.


People who are insiders said weeks ago that he is gone.
 
Duke's won 9 in a row and 12 out of their last 14 games. They've lost twice this calendar year. Playing as well as anybody in the country right now. Heralded freshman still typically play like freshman to start the year, Duke's freshman class has gotten steadily better as the year has progressed and no longer playing like freshman.

Purdue played out of their mind for a 10 day stretch nearly 5 months ago and hasn't come close to replicating it since. Fletcher Loyer is a shell of his former self.
Of the 9 in a row that Duke played and won, 3 were in the ACC tourney (Pitt, Miami and Virginia.) Of the other 6 games, only one was against a team in the NCAA Tournament (NC State) and that was a home game for Duke. So of the 9. there were 3 solid Tournament entrants and one play-in entrant. Of the regular season games, only 2 were road games (UNC and Syracuse) neither of whom were tournament qualifiers.

In comparison, Purdue went 6-3 in their last 9 games. Of the 3 losses, 2 were road games (MD and NW) and 5 were against tourney entrants. It should likely have been 6 because one was Rutgers and given how close Rutgers was to making the field the bad-call loss to OSU probably kept them out.

I do not consider the differences major when compared given the quality of opponents and road/home mixes.

By the way, I do not know where you are getting your stats, but Duke has lost 5 times in this calendar year, not twice. (NC State, Clemson, VA Tech, Miami and Virginia) in a weak and top-heavy ACC as evidenced by the few teams in the tournament compared to most years.
 
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Mid-major players? As I recall, Purdue finished 1 game out of a tie for first place in the Big Ten last season. They finished 5 games ahead of IU and played each of the top teams twice so the "soft schedule" argument goes away. So if Purdue's players were mid-major class and seriously outperformed IU's, what does that say about the IU team?

Like it or not, Purdue was ranked, even for a short time, #1 in the country last year. They made the final game of the BTT. I get that you don't like Purdue. But to categorize them as you did is ignorant or foolish. And you refer to yourself as a "Coach"? That's hard to believe.
Like Coach said 3-1. Kicks are over.
 
Of the 9 in a row that Duke played and won, 3 were in the ACC tourney (Pitt, Miami and Virginia.) Of the other 6 games, only one was against a team in the NCAA Tournament (NC State) and that was a home game for Duke. So of the 9. there were 3 solid Tournament entrants and one play-in entrant. Of the regular season games, only 2 were road games (UNC and Syracuse) neither of whom were tournament qualifiers.

In comparison, Purdue went 6-3 in their last 9 games. Of the 3 losses, 2 were road games (MD and NW) and 5 were against tourney entrants. It should likely have been 6 because one was Rutgers and given how close Rutgers was to making the field the bad-call loss to OSU probably kept them out.

I do not consider the differences major when compared given the quality of opponents and road/home mixes.
Duke has been murdering teams. Purdue can't seem to get out of their own way even in games they win.
 
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There are no style points in a W/L record. If there were Alabama would not be the #1 seed in the tournament.
I'll take the team who is currently rolling over the team struggling to put away teams any day of the week. Not so sure Purdue even makes it the S16 for a rematch with Duke.
 
Jayden Taylor from Butler entered the portal yesterday. Perry Meridian grad was Butler's leading scorer this year. Not great but adequate 3 point shooter on a good number of attempts. Would fill the need as on off-ball scoring guard if Bates were to transfer.
we need a big man
 
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