So you really believe that Justin Smith has a higher vertical than any player in the history of the NBA combine?
And you think 4 people on this team rank in the top 15 ALL TIME?
You know that’s not possible right? It’s clearly apples to oranges.
IU claims 7 players have max verticals of 40 inches or above
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And you think 4 people on this team rank in the top 15 ALL TIME?
You know that’s not possible right? It’s clearly apples to oranges.
The POINT was there is a baseline - standing vertical vs max vertical leap. You said there was none.
Now, does coach Clif’s method match the max vertical leap EXACTLY? Hell, idk - but you really think 1-2 more steps is as big a deal enough to possibly consider our players results to be “mediocre”? Holy shit . . .
I don't know what you are talking about, but, no-one has ever stolen a girlfriend from me!
Between June and October 2015 Thomas Bryant increased his vertical leap by 9 inches according to CTC. At the NBA combine in 2017 his vertical leap had improved to 25.5 inches. Which indicates that TB must have been barely out of a wheelchair when he arrived at IU as a freshman.
For someone who has No Vertical, THIS is a big deal.
Understand the need to bang the hype drum. But what they'r doing in that video is not a Max Vertical Jump.
Exactly. Or that people are less than honest with these numbers.
The only ones you can trust are the ones at the combine. Same with height measurements.
Your math sucks as badly as your reasoning. And by "people" you mean IU's Coaches, whom you seem to be alleging are all lying sacks of shit. Who knew? All that's left is to tell everyone how they doctored the video.
The other thing about vertical reach is flexibility.
Meaning Morgan supposedly had a big reach increase from where he was previously measured...some of that is lift off the ground, other parts are increased flexibility that allows you to stretch higher.
Flexibility is also a key factor for being injury resistant.
Maybe the hot yoga sessions aren't a bad thing after all?
Meaning Morgan supposedly had a big reach increase from where he was previously measured...some of that is lift off the ground, other parts are increased flexibility that allows you to stretch higher.
Flexibility is also a key factor for being injury resistant.
Maybe the hot yoga sessions aren't a bad thing after all?
An average person might jump 24" in a standing double leg vertical jump. That same person might jump 30" in a running double leg vertical jump. That's a 6" difference.
An average person might jump 10" in a standing single leg vertical jump. That same person might jump 30" in a running single leg vertical jump. That's a 20" difference.
http://www.dkathleticperformance.com/single-post/2015/04/25/The-Single-Leg-Running-Vertical-Jump
One would assume that the average person standing still (will jump with both legs) and get 24 inches; however, when running, they are getting 30 inches for both double and single leg verts. So running highly impacts the vertical. With that said, still a lot of athleticism on the team.
An average person might jump 10" in a standing single leg vertical jump. That same person might jump 30" in a running single leg vertical jump. That's a 20" difference.
http://www.dkathleticperformance.com/single-post/2015/04/25/The-Single-Leg-Running-Vertical-Jump
One would assume that the average person standing still (will jump with both legs) and get 24 inches; however, when running, they are getting 30 inches for both double and single leg verts. So running highly impacts the vertical. With that said, still a lot of athleticism on the team.
I wish someone HAD stolen a couple from me!!!!
Watch the video and stop it at the point he is chest high with the rim! I have no reason to doubt that is the best we have had, at least since we began measuring that stat.
You post like a Purdue troll. What team do you support? Just curious because I quit wasting time with people from other schools.
Appreciate the research but some of this is BS. Average athlete perhaps maybe can do as described, "average person" no f-ing way. If that were true any "average person" six feet tall could touch the rim from a standstill (assuming 24" of reach) and/or dunk the ball with a running start. Apply that to your experience of how many "average" people you know/knew that can reach the rim or dunk. Hell, average vertical in NBA is 28" and that's some pretty rare air and far removed from "average".
What's really telling is VO's phenomenal athleticism and work ethic translated into a personal best and school record 42" - four Players bettered that and two of them are freshmen who just got to campus some weeks ago.
They are stating average athlete. But the point, no matter who they measured, was really just to show there's a difference in standing and running verticals. I never could dunk standing still and jumping. I most definitely could when I ran. There is a certifiable difference when comparing the two. With that said, I am with you though, seeing the progress is what matters the most.
The resultant vector from the forward movement at a certain speed, weight at some angle from horizontal has more effect than jumping off two legs standing still.
I suspect we have a dominant leg and the second leg assists but doesn't double the force. As players get faster and stronger, the distance traveled on the ground (x axis) and then along the upward vector before gravity pulls us down grows. This allows the distance (y axis) from the ground. to increase.
One thing that's for sure right now, is it will be interesting to see how Phinisee will do next year. I've seen everything from saying he will be a star (maybe a bit of an exaggeration on my part), to he will need a couple of years to develop. Those numbers are encouraging though, and it will be fun to watch him develop next year.
I’ve been on this board since the start. I graduated from IU and had season basketball and football tickets for over 30 years. And have donated some significant dollars. So I’d say I’m a pretty big fan.
I love IU and I really like the new coaching staff, although I’m not anointing them great until they prove it. I thought we learned that from the Crean debacle.
I’m just saying you can’t compare these to combine measurements. It’s apples to oranges.
You have to be the most dramatic child I’ve ever seen on this board. And that’s saying quite a bit.
Outed yet again for being full of shyte and that's all you've got? No wonder you're trying to hide behind fruit analogies.
I absolutely hate that cliche' trope, not only is it overused and misused, it's fking stupid. The only one worse is "get your ducks in a row".
Phinesee is a pure PG that will be a joy to watch be successful at IU!
How long are you going to be critical of Archie without cause before you accept him? If could be you will keep this up waiting on a chance to prove everyone wrong. I prefer to watch Archie build the program and not act like a nut.
Ive said time and time again that I like him. But he hasn’t won anything yet. Last year honestly was a let down but I’m not holding it against him. We lost a couple inexplicable games, finished 4-6 including that awful loss to Rutgers, and missed the NIT. I’m just not crowning him the next big coach yet like some people are. Those people did the same with Crean.
Look, if you want to think Justin Smith has a higher vertical than any player in NBA history, and 4 of our current players have top 10 all time NBA verticals that’s on you. There are still people who believe Earth is flat. Just don’t expect reasonable people to fall in line with your logic is all I’m asking.
Last year's roster was set for failure 2 years before Archie came to town. It could have been worse. Crean could have been the coach.
Never thought/said anything of the kind - that's just you making shIT up. Again. Seems "all" you're really "asking" is free license to be full of IT, pretend IT is "reasonable", and dispense IT like gospel. And that's all on you even if all must endure the stink.
Agreed, the guy scored 50+ points one game.
One of the reasons he will be a great asset is because of what you said about not looking for his shot.
He's willing to forgo personal stats for the sake of the team, but the ability is there.
This type of attitude reminds of another great point guard who wore the 'candy stripes'.....Quinn Buckner!
I think between Devonte, Al and Rob the PG position is serviceable this year.
I would not be surprised to see some bigger lineups with Romeo, Jerome, Justin or even Damezi at the second guard occasionally.
Can IU play with 3 bigs out of this group? Juwan, Evan, Race, Jerome, Justin, ?Davis?
IU players with big ups:
Justin Smith
Hanner Perea
Will Sheehey
Victor Oladipo
Rod Wilmont
Andre Owens
Lou Moore
Steve Hart
Greg Graham
Keith Smart
Andre Harris
Jim Thomas
Getting back a ways. Not sure I remember much farther.
But I think we may be able to add Justin Smith. That seems to be the main point of the thread here.
In terms of greatest, I don't know that I've seen anyone top Steve Hart. He consistently would jump so high I thought he was going to destroy his ankles coming down.
Justin Smith
Hanner Perea
Will Sheehey
Victor Oladipo
Rod Wilmont
Andre Owens
Lou Moore
Steve Hart
Greg Graham
Keith Smart
Andre Harris
Jim Thomas
Getting back a ways. Not sure I remember much farther.
But I think we may be able to add Justin Smith. That seems to be the main point of the thread here.
In terms of greatest, I don't know that I've seen anyone top Steve Hart. He consistently would jump so high I thought he was going to destroy his ankles coming down.
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