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IU a big spender for basketball recruiting

Just curious: With the numbers being from 2018, could you think of any events that happened around that time that could have skyrocketed recruiting costs? Since 2017, would you say our recruiting has gone in a positive or negative direction? What is the point you are attempting to make by taking the issue entirely out of context? Oh, and for, the football team just had, according to rankings, both their best recruiting class ever and their best 4 years of recruiting ever. So, again, what is your point?
 
IU accounts for its spending differently than other schools. For example, IU rents aircraft to transport the coaches across the country instead of using its own planes.
 
Just curious: With the numbers being from 2018, could you think of any events that happened around that time that could have skyrocketed recruiting costs? Since 2017, would you say our recruiting has gone in a positive or negative direction? What is the point you are attempting to make by taking the issue entirely out of context? Oh, and for, the football team just had, according to rankings, both their best recruiting class ever and their best 4 years of recruiting ever. So, again, what is your point?
Someone is sensitive.

Nowhere in the article did it say say the cost had "skyrocketed." It was a snapshot of one year but I've seen other years and IU does spend a lot on basketball recruiting. The article also states that in basketball spending doesn't necessarily correlate to landing recruits but for IU in this season it did with a top 10 class. My only point was that we haven't yet seen this translate to wins. Do you dispute this?

As for football, the article clearly states that spending correlates to landing talent. IU is historically one of the worst, if not the worst, D1 football team. So they can still have some of their best classes ever while still being far behind their competition. Being outspent by basketball makes one question the commitment to football.
 
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The recruiting is weakening for both Archie and Allen after two lackluster seasons.
No sure why u think it’s weakening. Archie has recruited the best in state players every recruiting class he’s had. For the first time ever we’re abt to have 3 straight Mr basketballs. 2020 was supposed to be a week class and he’s making it better than most thought. You guys just gotta shut up complaining all the time when your arguments aren’t even logical..
 
Archie has only recruited less than 10 guys...w just Hunter(ohio) and Forrester from outside the state of Indiana...what the hell costs so much to recruit when Bloomington is less than 2 hr drive from any part of the state?

Allen on the other hand, has recruited Florida well, and has to land 20 or so guys each year...


Lets hear from the Archie Apologists...
 
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IU accounts for its spending differently than other schools. For example, IU rents aircraft to transport the coaches across the country instead of using its own planes.
Owning aircraft has costs that are allocated proportionately to each program. Probably not much difference.
 
Owning aircraft has costs that are allocated proportionately to each program. Probably not much difference.
It’s the volume of aircraft use that has generated the high travel expenses. Chartering v. Ownership isn’t the issue.

Crean spent a fortune on this, by the way.
 
Owning aircraft has costs that are allocated proportionately to each program. Probably not much difference.

Each BIG program does what they want and are independent. Between IU planes, charters and Cook planes...air travel is not an issue at IU.
 
Archie has only recruited less than 10 guys...w just Hunter(ohio) and Forrester from outside the state of Indiana...what the hell costs so much to recruit when Bloomington is less than 2 hr drive from any part of the state?

Allen on the other hand, has recruited Florida well, and has to land 20 or so guys each year...


Lets hear from the Archie Apologists...
Bloomington isn't less than a 2 hour drive to everywhere in the state. Have you ever even lived in Indiana? It's 3 hours to Chicago area and Fort Wayne. 3.5 hours to South Bend.

This also shows that those posters who say the admin is opposed to having a winning basketball team or at least provide no support are incorrect. If that were the case they wouldn't allow the recruiting budget to be so high. This kind of recruiting spending isn't new at IU and predates Miller.
 
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what the hell costs so much to recruit when Bloomington is less than 2 hr drive from any part of the state?

The cryano hyperbole machine strikes again. You just can't help yourself can you? See minneman's post above for accurate times.
 
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The cryano hyperbole machine strikes again. You just can't help yourself can you? See minneman's post above for accurate times.
...well anywhere worth a shit isnt much more than 2 hours...

Admittedly I didnt mapquest directions to every boundary line...to post on a free message board...

My point remains just as valid.
 
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...well anywhere worth a shit isnt much more than 2 hours...

Admittedly I didnt mapquest directions to every boundary line...to post on a free message board...

My point remains just as valid.
Dumb
 
[Deputy AD Scott] Dolson said the Indiana University Foundation stopped maintaining its own airplanes about seven years ago [written in 2015]. That forced the athletic department to pay more for charter airplanes or to find donors willing to donate airplane time.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...aches-recruiting-expenses-tom-crean/30291627/

Yes, they no longer own the planes that the Basketball team flew on for most of the Knight era. They were old then.
 
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...well anywhere worth a shit isnt much more than 2 hours...

Admittedly I didnt mapquest directions to every boundary line...to post on a free message board...

My point remains just as valid.
Two takeaways from your posts:

1) You have never lived in Bloomington otherwise you wouldn't need to "mapquest" (lol) directions to know how far away the other large cities in Indiana are from there.

2) You don't think recruiting players like Caleb Furst is worthwhile. He's from Fort Wayne
 
Recruiting Indiana-only is great...for playing in/against the Kentucky or Illinois HS AllStar game...

Unfortunately the rest of the NCAA coaches realize they need the best available nationally to compete for NCAA championships...

and in year 3 of Archie’s Hoosiers we are hoping to be a ‘Top 40’ team w a shot at a 9 seed...
 
Two takeaways from your posts:

1) You have never lived in Bloomington otherwise you wouldn't need to "mapquest" (lol) directions to know how far away the other large cities in Indiana are from there.

2) You don't think recruiting players like Caleb Furst is worthwhile. He's from Fort Wayne
Or La Porte County, home of La Lumiere School.
 
[Deputy AD Scott] Dolson said the Indiana University Foundation stopped maintaining its own airplanes about seven years ago [written in 2015]. That forced the athletic department to pay more for charter airplanes or to find donors willing to donate airplane time.

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...aches-recruiting-expenses-tom-crean/30291627/
The Foundation owned the planes but they’ve been gone for some time. They’ve had some fractional deals during that time for recruiting use, but all of the team travel is chartered. For it’s time, the G100 was a great way to go, because they could come home immediately after games. The President and University party used it extensively, too. But the expense of maintaining what they had, which was aging quickly, plus keeping crews on the payroll who needed training on outdated equipment, became prohibitive.
 
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Recruiting Indiana-only is great...for playing in/against the Kentucky or Illinois HS AllStar game...

Unfortunately the rest of the NCAA coaches realize they need the best available nationally to compete for NCAA championships...

and in year 3 of Archie’s Hoosiers we are hoping to be a ‘Top 40’ team w a shot at a 9 seed...
You might have mediocre hopes like that, but IU fans have higher hopes.
 
That’s a connection that’s truly paid off big time. (That’s sarcasm btw) When Brooks transferred to LaLum for his senior year, I thought that that wasn’t a good sign.
Connection or no connection, it's a place that's a) farther out than 2 hours from Bloomington; b) a place that has produced top talent. It's not its fault their (best) players end up not at IU.
 
Connection or no connection, it's a place that's a) farther out than 2 hours from Bloomington; b) a place that has produced top talent. It's not its fault their (best) players end up not at IU.
double negative means it is their fault???
 
It’s the volume of aircraft use that has generated the high travel expenses. Chartering v. Ownership isn’t the issue.

Crean spent a fortune on this, by the way.
That was the point, rent vs. ownership is not the issue. What does Crean have to do it?
 
That was the point, rent vs. ownership is not the issue. What does Crean have to do it?
Crean likely used / abused the availability of aircraft more than Miller. He loved to be several places in one day or within a very short window. It’s very expensive to do that with aircraft.

The ownership v. charter issue wasn’t material to the expense discussion, for several reasons I partially alluded to.
 
Glad we're spending the money, hopefully it starts showing results in the 2020 and 2021 classes.

A bit surprised how much we spend in comparison to how many guys we can recruit with a simple car ride.
 
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Glad we're spending the money, hopefully it starts showing results in the 2020 and 2021 classes.

A bit surprised how much we spend in comparison to how many guys we can recruit with a simple car ride.
How about in comparison to what football spends, with twice the number of coaches and nearly seven times the number of scholarship athletes. Glass could and should manage it better.
 
How about in comparison to what football spends, with twice the number of coaches and nearly seven times the number of scholarship athletes. Glass could and should manage it better.
This is a basketball board not a football board.

If they were spending less on recruiting I guarantee there would be people trying to pin that on Glass as well.
 
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