Once again, I have not invited you. I have no interest in meeting you “, and no interest in hurting an old man like you if you showed up and spoke like you post here.
It’s indictment time again….
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Although Goat is probably #135, I now make up well more than average for max take off weight so 3 is probably max... without me doing 6 weeks of boot camp.
I don't think we'd have room for Aloha's ego anyway.Although Goat is probably #135, I now make up well more than average for max take off weight so 3 is probably max... without me doing 6 weeks of boot camp.
As PIC (Pilot in Command), Stop it men! Not on my bird! @Aloha Hoosier Lets tone it down a notch.
Even if it is absolutely established that some votes were "illegal," election deniers have been blissfully ignoring this question: "How many of those 'illegal' votes were cast for Republicans?"
Election deniers are very persistent in claiming loudly that the election was "stolen" from Trump because of "illegal" votes. However, not all of those votes were cast for Biden -- Republicans used the same procedures as the Democrats.
Election deniers can investigate and complain all they want, so long as they admit that a great many Republicans voted for Trump using the same procedures that the election deniers now claim were "illegal."
I’ll
I’ll already be there, ego and all. Let’s go, Joe. You can get a ticket and I can pretend to my 5 friends and the owner of the house that you’re legit. Maybe you will be after the weekend.
Well that doesn't sound like a trap at all. Let me do some flight planning and strap on some ordinance, you know, just in case.
FPV Cherokee. Yee Haw.Probably all ex-Navy guys. Be careful not to drop the soap.Well that doesn't sound like a trap at all. Let me do some flight planning and strap on some ordinance, you know, just in case.
Seriously? You land somewhere near there and I guarantee picking you up, a good time, a good race, and a ride back to the plane no one knows anything about you except me. I’d get you in to the race. If you took my buds up in a plane you’d be golden. Interested?Well that doesn't sound like a trap at all. Let me do some flight planning and strap on some ordinance, you know, just in case.
Joe, you have a couple of options now. Do or don’t. It’s up to you. I hope you choose joining up, it can be fun!Well that doesn't sound like a trap at all. Let me do some flight planning and strap on some ordinance, you know, just in case.
KADG (adrian) is the closes airport, looks to be 26 min away. It's a 1 hr 59 min flight from my airport. I'm game as long as the weather isn't shit. I'm only VFR rated, so that is the only restriction. I need to stay out of the clouds is all that means. I'll check the weather Friday, I land in Indy friday evening (comercial) and see how it goes from there.
Thanks.
I was thinking that some advice from lawyers could be so outrageous that nobody would be permitted to claim they reasonably believed it in support of an advice of counsel defense.
As examples, I was thinking of a hypothetical lawyer that advised his client it was OK to rob a bank or murder someone, but your ass-whipping example is pretty good too. No reasonable person should be able to claim he believed he could legally rob a bank or commit murder just because a lawyer told him so.
As for Trump's election claims, I keep going back to this -- Trump lacked knowledge of any evidence whatsoever that there had been election fraud on a scale that would have changed the outcome ... anywhere. Although some of Trump's lawyers told him to use some goofy legal tactics, I can't remember ever reading that any of Trump's lawyers told him that there was actual for-real evidence that provable voter fraud had occurred in such numbers as to change the outcome.
I know a gal from Adrian..... she doesn't live there any more. It's a small world.
If you feel so strongly, you were always free to donate thousands of dollars of your own money to finance a recount of whatever election you choose. Check the laws of your state.
The recount procedure was always available to all affected candidates way back in Nov./Dec. of 2020. There's really no reason to keep raising these issues like they're something new. Candidates always had a remedy for the stuff you keep raising now, two years late.
Holy shiot, small world for sure. Don't let McMurt know about her. He'll be ditchin diaper bags like coke cakes out of airplane windows !
Danc that isn’t fair, you have seen and reacted to plenty of my posts defending Trump where he deserved defense. Enough that the lefties here have called me every maga name in the book.
The defense will focus on “State of Mind” here and we shall see if that works. I don’t buy it for a second but It only takes one juror to hang it.
Don’t say that, he might just post here to see me finally get blown up.
He can just fire up yet another user name and (my best Kramer voice) I don’t know how.
Okay, well guess a twice impeached, thrice indicted, one term president who was an utter failure in every, single way as POTUS. He conspired with his entire crew of losers to overturn a free and fair election in, not Myanmar, not Niger, not Thailand...but the United States. It really is disturbing.
I get it, you're saying there are other candidates, but Republicans STILL think the election was stolen from Trump, yet he's blowing out every other candidate. How 'bout Pompeo? I think he's a religious lunatic, but I'd still favor him over Trump or DeSantis. He's currently polling at 2%; same as Liz Cheney.
Why, when Trump stands up to his "rally" audiences and says "I'd end the war in Ukraine in 1 day, isn't he laughed off the stage. Why do people think he is a "Christian"? Why do people think he's a "good business man"?
I really don't get it.
If "nothing was going to be done to stop Covid", why do the numbers look like this?
People in Republican Counties Have Higher Death Rates Than Those in Democratic Counties
A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices
I suggest you listen to this interview with Bob Woodward and the tapes he made with Trump where Woodward says "I have never seen such a failure to protect the people”. And "Who is this person? It is with sadness that I concluded that he was not only not up to the job, but that he was INCAPABLE."
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The appeal is simple IMO. Take everything you think negatively about anyone who would vote for Donald Trump and then realize they feel exactly the same way about you. All the things you think about Trump, they think about the types of candidates you support. Their perception (backed up by some factual evidence and some more perceived) is that the candidate they voted for in 2016 got railroaded. When he tells them, "They aren't really after me, they are after you" there is a willingness to believe that because deplorable is one of the least offensive things they have been called the past 7 years.
I think some of it is a cult of personality but most of that personality being followed breaks down to a bunch of working class people giving a big old middle finger to a bunch of people they feel dicked them over.
Now you can argue about how that is their perception and they are crazy to think that but that is the long and the short of it I think. It can get more complicated then that but I think it is that simple. The types of conservatives that are favored by someone like Aloha aren't going to be really popular with the populists at the moment because they are viewed as do nothings. And it is hard to disagree with that if we are being honest. The GOP, outside of decreasing taxes, invading Middle Eastern countries, and building a huge domestic spying apparatus has been fairly ineffectual for decades. And maybe only one of the 3 things I mentioned could be labeled as somewhat conservative.
Lastly, no offense, but you are a pretty partisan guy (to put it lightly). Anybody you would be willing to live with is probably the least interesting option to someone like me. You would prefer candidates because of your perception of who would be the least likely to upset the status quo. A whole bunch of people on my side of the aisle are not happy with the status quo in a whole host of areas. The appealing person is someone who looks like they can not only get things done, but that they have every intention of doing that despite whatever they are called.
I think that last part is where Trump supporters are miscalculating, he has the fight no matter what part down but I don't think he has the ability to get anything accomplished. More than anything, that is what disqualifies him for me. All this indictment stuff is for you guys and frankly it is some of the best campaign support he could ever ask for right now.
Some very good points here. From my window the two sides are very similar. One is just more uncouth.
There is a reason Trump passed on the virtual arraignment. He sees himself gliding in on a white horse as adoring fans cheer.
No, they are both uncouth. Or more accurately, they both contain members that are uncouth. We could one for one each other on both sides behaving badly and be able to go on for quite awhile with examples.
The underlying issue is that our system isn't living up to its ideals. The past two Presidents probably being about as corrupt as you can get just being the most in your face example.
This needs to be copied and pasted all over social media.
The problem is you, me and a lot of others on our side are willing to talk but guys like Dr Hoop and many on his side won’t look at us as equals and talk to us without shouting insults.
They refuse to look at anything you just said as reasonable and worth talking about.
I'll grant you that Trump is certainly not a "do nothing." The problem is that much of what he does is criminal.
I think He sees himself more as a guy who is carrying His cross to Calvary.
He was indicted for you and me.
I touched on that lower in the post. The candidate I am looking for has to have two qualities:
1. The ability to take the slings and arrows that always come with being a conservative candidate and take that fight back to the opposition (and there are different ways to fight).
2. The ability to advance conservative (or even slightly moderate) changes to our current trajectory.
I think Trump has the fight part down, I don't think he has the advance part down. I think #2 is going to be even more difficult for him because I don't think he understands how to work government. He is used to being a dictator of his business where his word is law. That isn't how government works. He has burned a bunch of bridges and used up political capital that he won't get back. I think 4 years of Trump will be about Trump. It is all you guys are focused on and it will be all he has the time to respond to. I think he has done some wrong and I think that he was kind of ripped off a bit on how he was treated his 4 years (which I believe fed into how he acted). I also think that him coming along again is counterproductive to what I would like to see done because for Trump and for all you guys that don't like him, everything becomes about him.
You're onto something, and your first two sentences are spot on, but I think you've missed the bigger picture.
Remember, "It's the economy, stupid?" Those days are gone. It's not inflation, or wages, or kitchen table issues that motivate and energize broad swaths of the electorate anymore. It's culture wars, "woke" issues, perceptions of the country's fundamental identity, and fears - - - on both sides - - that "their" country is disappearing. That's why we're so polarized. You don't have people crossing over anymore to support a candidate of a different party because they like that candidate's views on a specific domestic or foreign policy issue, because the divide is too great now. The gulf is too wide.
This situation does not benefit either side, it weakens the country, and I don't know how we get out of it.
Trump is a lightning rod (and uniquely disruptive) but this issue goes way beyond him.
There is much to agree with, and much to disagree with here. I especially concur with the notion that Trump was not prepared for the differences between government and a business he could manhandle. That's on him, 100%.
I disagree with any excuses that Trump acted the way he did because of any ill treatment by dems or the media. Trump was going to Trump. People knew that ahead of time. The only hope was that he would surround himself with good people, then listen to them. He did not do that...at all. I remember thinking to myself that he would get instantly tired of not being able to just have his way all the time, and would give up and step down. Well, he kind of did...in a Trumpian sort of way.
Finally, in an earlier post, you referenced that he had the fight, but not the ability to get things done. To me, that is a miscalculation. He had the cheapest, least effective, laziest part of that characteristic down...he was able to convince others, through tough talk, that he had the fight. Like most coddled cowards though, he was unable to back that talk up with action...mainly because he had no intention to do so. He wasn't fighting for us, and he ended up only fighting for himself.
Oh I don't disagree with the notion that the cultural divide is the main issue. I have said that frequently. I think politics is downstream from culture and we are having a greater divide because culturally there isn't much gray area anymore. There isn't a middle ground on believing that for instance Dylan Mulvaney is a woman and should be treated as such and any failure to acknowledge that is hateful bigotry on your part.
We cannot even agree on reality, how on earth can you get to an economic discussion when you aren't even on the same page of the more important pillars of society? What is a man? What is a woman? What is marriage? What is the role of parents in society? What is the role of family in society? We don't agree on those things. So your tax policy becomes completely unimportant if you are leading a party that seeks to challenge "reality". That is true from either side.
I don't care about your economic policies if it is your intention to push the cultural items you do. If it was all economics the Democrats would probably win me over with some arguments. That is the difference between now and the "glory" days when there wasn't much difference between Republican and Democrat voters' opinions on those topics. We have been hit with cultural revolution after cultural revolution since the late 1960's and it has completely torn us apart. You want to know what the next big issue is going to be? Look at the polling right now for young people where young men and women are diverging politically.
We are pedal to the metal heading towards the Grand Canyon.
Used to be conservative Democrats (in the South) and liberal Republicans (Northeast). Country worked a lot better that way.
You are correct that the gender divide is ever growing. But that's just a symptom of educational divide. Men as a whole are failing bad as the economy has shifted from physical labor to information/services.
There is that and the probable reality that we went from making sure the girls were getting equal treatment to the boys to a point where now it is the other way around. Our learning environments are now geared toward how little girls tend to learn.
We have not been good about landing on equality for awhile. We are hyper aware of "injustices" and we suck at the fixes.
My problem is your response to Spartan, who is no fan of mine, and who is certainly no Trump fan.
I don't understand the vitriol you direct at him for having a discussion that doesn't start with 'Trump sucks'.
Aloha is a certified bad ass. Don't believe it, just ask him.
He does his killin' from 27 miles away, according to him.
