Israel under attack from Hamas
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So are you active, or about to be ? Own up Mohamed. Is you is, or is you about to be? pussy.
Meanwhile, there have been dozens of attacks on Americans in the Middle East. This attack didn't go well for the Iranian backed terrorists:
They can run from an AC-130 gunship, but they'll just die tired.
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They can run from an AC-130 gunship, but they'll just die tired.
Do you think that all of the ancillary engagements where planned before 7oct, or a product of 7oct?
It feels like a much larger coordinated plan than them being a product of. Which also makes me think that there are many more plans that have not been started yet.
More AC-10 please... Is this the proper theater for the A-10 now?
My guess would be some planned, some a product. Don't know.
A-10s aren't the right weapons system for the attacks on Americans. They're not attacking with armored vehicles. AC-130s, drones, helicopters, etc. are more appropriate.
A-10s aren't the right weapons system for the attacks on Americans. They're not attacking with armored vehicles. AC-130s, drones, helicopters, etc. are more appropriate.
Israeli official says talks continuing, hostage release won't take place before Friday
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s national security adviser says a planned hostage-for-prisoner swap with Hamas has been delayed until at least Friday.
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“But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told a nationally televised news conference that the war would resume after the truce expires. Israel’s goals are to destroy Hamas’ military capabilities and return all 240 hostages held captive in Gaza.”
“I want to be clear. The war is continuing. The war is continuing. We will continue it until we achieve all of our goals,” Netanyahu said. Adding he had delivered the same message in a phone call to US President Joe Biden. He also said he had instructed the Mossad spy agency to hunt down Hamas’ exiled leadership “wherever they are.”
What is our reply here? It seems counterintuitive to our cause. What am I missing??
Cernovich isn’t wrong though. Being a giant walking asshole isn’t a crime.
The guy should be ridiculed and if his employer decides to fire him good, but prosecuted?
That seems excessive.
Being a bad person in public isn't a crime, but doing it over and over to the same person day after day after being asked to be left alone is a crime, with the things he was saying at his place of employment.
If he had just left the guy alone, he wouldn't be in trouble. He couldn't do that so he's gotta deal with the consequences.
I hope he has enough money and anger to mount a defense. Hate crime laws, as related to speech, should be unconstitutional. The way they have attached his actions into a “stalking” charge is just shameful
He just went about it the wrong way. He should have rounded up a group of people to do it & called it a protest. Then he could have defaced monuments, called for the death of all arabs, or whatever he wanted with impunity.
I really hate coming to the defense of this guy. His arrest is just a little short of outright fascism on the part of the NYPD. If being an ass is now illegal….New York had better open larger jails
I don’t think that is a crime, actually. Not on a public street, which is where they both were.
Fred Phelps and the WBC were infamous for being total pricks to everyone and they were protected by the 1st amendment. I don’t see how this guy is really any different.
Mind you, I’m not defending him. I just don’t think what he did was an actual crime.
U.S. Destroyer Captures Houthi Pirates, Israeli-Linked Tanker Saved | National Review
U.S. Navy personnel, aided by a Japanese destroyer, arrested the gunmen after warning shots and close helo support.
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There were two Chinese warships in the area that ignored the distress call. They are part of a six-ship flotilla that rotates through the Persian Gulf.
“The six warships are the Type 052D guided missile destroyers Zibo and Urumqi, the type 054A guided missile frigates Jingzhou and Linyi, and the Type 903 integrated supply ships Qiandaohu and Dongpinghu.”
Irregular meals, benches as beds. As freed hostages return to Israel, details of captivity emerge
Details about the conditions of the released hostages' captivity in Gaza are emerging through stories their family members are telling. Relatives have said their family members were fed irregularly and lost weight.
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From the River to the Sea:
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From the River to the Sea: The Significance of a Slogan
Not all of those who advocate for a single state “from the river to the sea” have genocidal intent, but their recommendation, if acted upon, is very likely to result in either the genocide or ethnic cleansing of Jews.
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Stories like these make me wish I was younger and still on a warship:
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
US Navy seizes attackers who held Israel-linked tanker. Missiles from rebel-controlled Yemen follow
Armed assailants seized and later let go a tanker linked to Israel off the coast of Yemen before being apprehended by the United States Navy
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One thing the the Democrats have done is provide an answer to the question of “Why Hitler?’ We are watching the answer in real time. Hitler actually did a few useful things. Hamas has no useful purpose. Appeasement now!From the River to the Sea:
From the River to the Sea: The Significance of a Slogan
Not all of those who advocate for a single state “from the river to the sea” have genocidal intent, but their recommendation, if acted upon, is very likely to result in either the genocide or ethnic cleansing of Jews.
Rape as weapon of terrorism:
Hamas claims is strictly forbidden and their terrorists wouldn’t do it. Riiiiight.
Hamas claims is strictly forbidden and their terrorists wouldn’t do it. Riiiiight.
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This doesn't seem good
www.telegraph.co.uk
Hamas ‘no longer has control’ of its youngest Israeli hostage
IDF say 10-month-old Kfir Bibas and his family have been handed to a separate Palestinian terror group in southern city of Khan Younis
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Israel Must Crush Palestinian Hopes
The bitter truth about Arab hatred of Jews and how to model anti-Israeli sentiment
www.richardhanania.com
The "Lose Hope" model outlined in the article is what I would call the "WW2 response". When people ask, "What is it you are advocating?" it is this model. This is the model for most wars IMO. Western humanitarian impulses after WW2 is generally what has caused us to have unresolved conflicts, or in the case of the U.S., conflicts that drag on so long that we just get tired and give up, since then.
The Palestinians are never going to get "from the river to the sea". They need to be disabused of that notion before they will accept peace. They need to be shown there is no hope. Only then will you have an ability to speak of peace.
He's not advocating no hope for a Palestine "from the river to the sea." He's advocating for no hope for Palestinian statehood at all. He's advocating for ethnic cleansing and an Israel "from the river to the sea," or at least one that includes Gaza:Israel Must Crush Palestinian Hopes
The bitter truth about Arab hatred of Jews and how to model anti-Israeli sentiment
The "Lose Hope" model outlined in the article is what I would call the "WW2 response". When people ask, "What is it you are advocating?" it is this model. This is the model for most wars IMO. Western humanitarian impulses after WW2 is generally what has caused us to have unresolved conflicts, or in the case of the U.S., conflicts that drag on so long that we just get tired and give up, since then.
The Palestinians are never going to get "from the river to the sea". They need to be disabused of that notion before they will accept peace. They need to be shown there is no hope. Only then will you have an ability to speak of peace.
Unlike the Palestinians, Japan already had a state, so in this case moving on means trying to make Gazans into refugees, in many cases not for the first time of course. This will be tough for one or two generations, but eventually lead to a more humane outcome for all involved. Right now, even Westerners seem outraged by the idea of population transfer...
As long as hope for a two-state solution exists, the idea of reducing the Palestinian population in the region conflicts with larger political goals. Gazans themselves, living off of international charity and romanticized as warriors, feel no urgency to call for their leaders to let them leave or demand that the rest of the world welcome them in. The end of the Palestinian cause would reduce the terrorist threat inherent in accepting people from Gaza as refugees and make other countries potentially more welcoming.
Eventually, I think that we can get to a place where emptying Gaza becomes seen as a realistic option both within and outside the region. But it will require Israel to extinguish all hopes of Palestinian statehood first.
But then again, advocating ethnic cleansing would just be par for the course for a guy like Hanania, wouldn't it?
He isn't wrong. They can't live next to each other and the Palestinians have shown that they will not accept any state that does not include all the territory between the Jordan and Mediterranean. They have flat out rejected it for almost 80 years. They aren't getting that state and they won't accept not getting that state. That leaves the Hanania option.
Oh it is terrible and totally against our western sensibilities but our western sensibilities have turned something that would have been over with in 1967 if the Jews just expelled the Muslims like the Muslims have done to the Jews all over the middle east and protracted it out indefinitely. We encourage Palestinian violence and intractability by feeding their fantasy that they are getting a Muslim state that encompasses all of Israel and all they have to do is hold out and continue fighting to make it so. It is madness. It relegated each subsequent generation to terror on both sides because we "moral" people of the West just won't let one side finish it.
What he suggests is awful and probably exactly right and if it happened today, everybody in that region would be better off 20 years down the road. It won't though. The "international community" will cajole Israel into another ceasefire. Hamas will continue to lob rockets. It's children will grow up in a shitty city whose governors think weapons are a better investment than modern conveniences and are thrown in jail for stabbing, rock throwing, and seeking martyrdom (at best) until the next promised 10/7 event occurs and we do this all again.
Alright, but if that's the only solution you can see fit to advocate for, you can knock off your bitching about moral relativism, because you are, in fact, proposing that the Israelis do exactly what the radical anti-Zionists accuse them of.
Edit to add: Also, I'm not usually one for ad hominems, but when you start saying a guy like Hanania has it right, don't you at least take a pause and wonder if maybe, just maybe, you've gone down the wrong path?
I think the wrong path is continuing to believe it is more humane to let this issue continue to fester as it has since before either of us was born. Israel offered to split the land in 1948. They were attacked. They accepted the land they had until 1967 when Gaza and the West Bank were administered by Egypt and Gaza respectively. They were attacked. They gave back Sinai after a third war and were forced to administer the Palestinians because Egypt and Joedan did not want them back. Intifada 1. They offered Arafat a state. Intifada 2. They packed up their settlers and left Gaza to Hamas. Rocket attacks and 10/7.
All the while the Palestinians live a less than desirable life because their level of hatred for Israel is so high you couldn't accept them as citizens even if you wanted to (and Israel doesn't). They won't accept the state they have been offered on several occasions because it doesn't encompass "from the river to the sea" so they continue to be a terrorist people who are more committed to killing Israelis than they are to improving their lot in life. Why? Well I believe it is as Hanania has offered, it is because they think, based on world sentiment, that they can continue to play the victim while being the proximate cause of ALL the problems. Accept the state they were offered and put down their guns and this is over. They never will because they have the false hope that the rest of the world will step in and save them from the total defeat they would have had decades ago if people just got out of the way.
They need to lose, utterly and completely lose. I think moving them should be on the table. If that isn't on the table, then you have to come up with some other way to convince them that they aren't getting from the river to the sea. Not ever. Instead we get this perpetual "low intensity" conflict that drags on generation after generation and worsens the lives of everyone in its wake. I think removing them sounds horrible. I think continuing this nonsensical approach of the last 80! years is astronomically worse.
Gaza Truce a Sign Hamas Can’t Be Defeated - VT Foreign Policy
After repeatedly rejecting a truce with Hamas and labeling the idea “ridiculous”, Israel agreed to a four-day cessation of hostilities in Gaza and a prisoner exchange.
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And this is the issue pretty clearly. Israel attacks and starts defeating Hamas and inflicting punishment for bad behavior, they are evil Zionist Nazis who should be ostracized. They agree to a ceasefire and they are a weak regime who cannot defeat the strong Hamas.
If you are going to lose the PR battle no matter what you do, might as well just rip the whole bandage off.
Gaza Truce a Sign Hamas Can’t Be Defeated - VT Foreign Policy
After repeatedly rejecting a truce with Hamas and labeling the idea “ridiculous”, Israel agreed to a four-day cessation of hostilities in Gaza and a prisoner exchange.
And this is the issue pretty clearly. Israel attacks and starts defeating Hamas and inflicting punishment for bad behavior, they are evil Zionist Nazis who should be ostracized. They agree to a ceasefire and they are a weak regime who cannot defeat the strong Hamas.
If you are going to lose the PR battle no matter what you do, might as well just rip the whole bandage off.
I already get it. You advocate for ethnic cleansing. I don't need you to keep justifying it. You've already explained yourself very well.
What's it like, living in your world, where mutilation, rape and kidnapping of infants doesn't cause an equal response?
Yeah, bet you'd be real civilized if your mom was gang-raped and then had her brains bashed in.
You would if the families were celebrating, supporting it, and participating in it themselves.
No, I wouldn't. I'd hate them, perhaps, but I wouldn't demand they suffer some sort of old testament retribution.
