In other words, not in any way that actually helps Palestinians or hurts Israel, but they occasionally say words of comfort.
As opposed to Ukraine where "give Putin whatever he wants" is becoming closer and closer to reality with one party.
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As opposed to Ukraine where "give Putin whatever he wants" is becoming closer and closer to reality with one party.
Are you kidding? Obama and Biden have been very lenient towards Iran. I’ve posted the supporting facts often. This is as undeniable as it is inexplicable.
That's nonsense. A lot of experts think you're wrong about how to engage Iran. What you claim is lenience is actually strategy. You don't agree with it? That's your right. But don't sit here and hyperbolize it by claiming it makes Democrats "pro-Iran." That's bullshit, and you damn well know it.
The policy is to make Iran a regional superpower
Well if that is Obama/Biden strategy, October 7 and the scores of attacks on US bases shows it ain’t workin’.
The policy to to actually lace up the boxing gloves, of the guy beating your brains out. Just to so you understand his feelings.
Maybe so, although it seems pretty clear Oct 7 had nothing to do with our Iran policy.
Irrelevant to my complaint. Bitch about the strategy all you want, call it too lenient, even, if that's what you think about it, but don't call Democrats "pro-Iran."
Poor English translation makes it sound like they were killed in response to Israeli shelling, but what Hamas actually claimed was that they were killed by Israeli shelling.
Israel is apparently still investigating.
Hamas says 10-month-old hostage Kfir Bibas was killed in Israeli bombing
Infant was kidnapped alongside his brother, Ariel, and their mother, Shiri, who the group say have also died
Same as saying 9/11 happened under Bush/ Trump strategy. Why the f would we do that? We’ve been over this in detail but your political identity takes up too much space in your brain. It’s comical.
Lol. No it isn’t like “saying” anything. It’s about cause and effect of specific actions. I’ve made that case against Biden. . If you wanna make the 9/11 case about Bush and Trump(???) have at it.
They're not sending their best. Or maybe they are.
Thus my position up above. You can't live with that so don't. There are 3 options: relocation, a heartless and brutal beating that ends in total capitulation and Hamas and Islamic Jihad at the end of a rope, or the acceptance that Israel will have to back down and wait until the next time they have to sacrifice their citizens to have "credit" (Blinken's callous reference to dead Israelis) with the rest of the world to strike again.
Remember over the coming days as the U.N. (worthless shitty organization we should leave and kick out of New York) is complicit in spreading the hate that leads to all of this. They help raise generation after generation of homicidal maniacs who grow up idolizing terrorists like our kids like sports stars and then they act all surprised that we are where we are at.
You can't negotiate with that level of pathology in the populace. Crazy Mom is praying her 2 young boys can get killed murdering Jews like their father did. That is psychotic. Sorry, burn them down to where they can be rebuilt or kick them the hell out. One way or the other, they will have to suffer to weed that out.
The Hitler Youth had nothing on these kids.
Total capitulation? I don’t think you guys are seeing the big picture here. There will always be well-funded and hyper-motivated resistance to Israeli colonization and Western influence in the ME. Jeeebus, Jesus himself was an anti-colonizer, anti-Western protestor.
Case? You just keep saying the other team is too accommodating. Take sometime to read up on Henry Kissinger this weekend. Perfect timing. Until the populist thread took hold, Republicans sought engagement, were always looking for an opportunity to negotiate and it got the ME and world-at-large through much tighter spots than 10/7.
I’m ready to attack the jews. I swear my kid has a bat mitzvah every fing weekend. No wonder Americans are turning on them. Which now with Man U vs Newcastle, ga vs Alabama, and fc Cincy tonight I can’t drink bc I have to drive to pick her up. First world probs but still
Pick her up tonight with a "From the River to the Sea" bumpersticker, and I'm guessing she won't be invited to any more bat mitzvahs.
. 😝 They’re a pain in the ass. Gifts, dresses, nonstop. And those parties roll late
She have FOMO over not having one herself?
She’d become Jewish in an instant if she could for that party
Yes … when education is focused on indoctrination… rather than objective views … generations of pain will ensue.
The UN hasn’t been objective for a long time ... Iran‘s leadership of its Human Rights Commission is but one example… where the ‘cabal of dictators’ minimize the UN’s impact on their personal interests. Most UN members aren’t democracies.
Iran isn't even a member of the Human Rights Council, much less the leader. Their UN ambassador was nominated to chair one particular meeting, and he won because no one else was nominated. That in and of itself is ridiculous, of course, but let's not make it out to be something that it isn't. In fact, Iran is one of the nations investigated by the UNHRC.
You are damn right I keep saying that. First Obama and now Biden roll over with Iran in many ways in the face of Iran’s ongoing public policy of wiping out Israel and Jews. Iran‘s DNA is with the Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, and those in Syria and Iraq who conduct ongoing attacks on US bases. The Obama / Biden policy has made Iran flush with oil money, which in turn has provided Iranian proxies with weapons. Biden’s Iran strategy is dead wrong.
Kissinger Negotiations with a different country, about a different conflict, at a different time is not relevant to the ongoing war Biden enabled and his ongoing patronizing toward Israel and his continued failure to hold Iran accountable.
Quit getting your info from old Pat Buchanan pamphlets on world affairs. Kissinger sought engagement w an even more dangerous version of Iran. Now Biden has been “patronizing towards” Israel? Before or after he wrote the latest check or sent the latest shipment of advanced military equipment?
March on, Christian soldier!
Please, give us the examples of UN not being objective. Tell us what an "objective" UN actually looks like? and how a global body made up of many different countries could ever be objective?
the irony is your first sentence. LOL.
I'm no Kissinger expert, but maybe he was wrong? I mean, Cambodia alone shoud make us question his judgment. Or, like CoH argued, maybe his approach was right in the '70s but not useful now?
That is, maybe the better angle of discussion isn't who supported what position in the past, but what the strengths and weaknesses are of different policies in today's context?
By the way, I'm not sure why you're referencing Buchanan here. Maybe he was against negotiation and discussion with foreign, antagonistic powers in the past, but for the last ten or twenty years, he's been a pretty vocal proponent of dealing with Iran and Russia, and not poking them and backing them into a corner. He even implored Trump to keep the Obama nuclear deal with Iran:
Mr. President, Don’t Trash the Iran Nuclear Deal
The Israelis, Saudis and Beltway War Party want to kill the deal because they want a clash with Tehran. Don't let them.
I'm no Kissinger expert, but maybe he was wrong? I mean, Cambodia alone shoud make us question his judgment. Or, like CoH argued, maybe his approach was right in the '70s but not useful now?
That is, maybe the better angle of discussion isn't who supported what position in the past, but what the strengths and weaknesses are of different policies in today's context?
By the way, I'm not sure why you're referencing Buchanan here. Maybe he was against negotiation and discussion with foreign, antagonistic powers in the past, but for the last ten or twenty years, he's been a pretty vocal proponent of dealing with Iran and Russia, and not poking them and backing them into a corner. He even implored Trump to keep the Obama nuclear deal with Iran:
Mr. President, Don’t Trash the Iran Nuclear Deal
The Israelis, Saudis and Beltway War Party want to kill the deal because they want a clash with Tehran. Don't let them.www.theamericanconservative.com
he's a case of the empty vessel making the most noise. that's it.
context? the ME is a much more peaceful place than when Kissinger sought engagement there. that can't be disputed. The US's "carrot and stick" approach of the last 40 years has exposed the Iranian govt as the pariah they deserve to be. now populists think we can isolate them into submission. would love to see a list of times that approach has worked with a regional power, in the last 20 years or ever.
if we want to make dumb arguments, why not say Trump's disengagement with Iran and his pandering to Israeli hard right-wingers alone pushed Iran into a corner?
I was pulling "Pat Buchanan" out of hat but that's amazing. Kinda shows the exact point when "tough guy" populism starting taking root in the US. aye aye aye. here we go again.
On the merits, I don't know what works and what doesn't (and don't think anyone really does). But the isolation/sanctions approach has been used by plenty of different administrations--Republican and Democrat--that few would refer to as populists. It clearly hasn't worked like we wanted in Cuba or North Korea.
I'm not even sure if today's Trump populists believe this is the right approach; they might just see "Biden/Obama did it" and think "oh, that must be wrong."
LMAO Are you serious?
UN taps Islamic Republic of Iran to chair Human Rights Council Social Forum, sparks outrage
Islamic regime ambassador Ali Bahreini was appointed in May to lead the forum.
humanevents.com
Of course, I realize this won't change your mind, but it will be humorous to see you try to justify it.
LMAO Are you serious?
UN taps Islamic Republic of Iran to chair Human Rights Council Social Forum, sparks outrage
Islamic regime ambassador Ali Bahreini was appointed in May to lead the forum.
Of course, I realize this won't change your mind, but it will be humorous to see you try to justify it.
You think the UN is pro-Iran?
I think the UN has members working for and against Iran and the US, for many different reasons.
Some of you are not having serious conversations here but then again the 2020 vote tally is still being questioned on this board, so par for the course.
