Israel under attack from Hamas
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From serious news:
“More than 33,000 people have been killed in Gaza and about 76,000 others injured, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health. The majority of those killed have been women and children, according to Hamas.”
abcnews.go.com
It’s not reported so much but Israeli dead is about 3,000 dead and 9000 injured from 7 OCT to now.
“More than 33,000 people have been killed in Gaza and about 76,000 others injured, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health. The majority of those killed have been women and children, according to Hamas.”
6 months into the Israel-Hamas war, the tragic human toll by the numbers
As the Israel-Hamas war reaches the 6-month mark, here is a look at the conflict by the numbers, including how many have been killed and injured.
It’s not reported so much but Israeli dead is about 3,000 dead and 9000 injured from 7 OCT to now.
From this title, it appears Hamas and Iran might have already won:
Just 6 months ago Hamas beheaded or burned alive infants in front of their parents, raped mothers in front of kids, raped young daughters in front of parents, then slaughtered everyone in unspeakable ways, raped girls and young women to death, dislocating hips while doing so, at a public dance and music festival, and killed hundreds with automatic weapons. Hamas killed 32 Americans.
Think about that. Hamas killed 32 Americans on October 7. We had investigations and hearings when 4 Americans were killed in Libya. We don’t even know how many Americans were violently kidnapped that day, but at least 10.
70% of Gazans support all the rapes, death, torture and depravity their fighters unleashed. The blood wasn’t yet dry and while the tears were still flowing, a member of the United States Congress displayed a Palestinian flag at her office door.
Israel waited weeks to respond. They not only prepared for war, they tried to bring down world opinion on Palestinians to avoid war.
The world mostly sided with Palestine and Gaza. Israel struck— hard. After warning so-called Gaza civilians.
At his State of the union address President Biden described the hostages and attack with extreme banality. He spoke of Gazans with extreme sympathy and announced a showy deployment of US assets to help . . . .Gaza. 32 Dead Americans and the unspeakable slaughter is not even a memory in Biden’s White House.
I’ve written often about how Biden’s Iranian leniency and release of billions of withheld funds led to this war. His policy today will ensure more bloodshed into the future. Why is this happening? Michigan’s electoral college votes.
Much has been posted here about all the Russian collusion and hidden Russian misinformation, at least some of that is an obvious Biden lie ( Hunter’s laptop). But there is not one word about what must be the massive Iranian information incursion that has led the United States, and millions of marchers, to support Hamas.
Yes, with Biden’s help, Israel has lost the post-holocaust high ground. But the United States has lost much more. We are no longer a positive force for all that is good and encouraging thriving societies—like Israel. I don’t know if we ever get it back.
Intersectional, identitarian social-justice folks (read: woke) already won here in the U.S. The day after October 7th, despite what you note, we had thousands marching in the streets against Israel, some outright supporting Hamas.
But there's nothing to worry about. Just some GOP-created bogeyman.
I dunno, the pro-Palestinian movement in the US predates woke politics or this round of culture wars. social media, liberal media, squad members giving this incarnation a huge (often annoying) soapbox? sure but the underlying current was strong and already existed before 10/7.
what's actually new is the unfettered support for Israel from parts of the right. I keep calling it the "populist right" but maybe I'm just stuck on that characterization. either way, the "mow 'em all down" sentiment is as ridiculous as anyone supporting Hamas.
don't get me wrong, the kids today are dumb in a lot of ways but they are on to us old-timers on some stuff. Forever Wars suck. We've pumped 100s of billions into Israel over the last 40 years, have taken a lot of flack for them, and they're still no where near a solution for Palestine. what's Israel been up to all that time? steadily developing, by force, land that no one else on earth but thinks is theirs. they've been cultivating nationalism, re-electing the same guy who keeps promising to get them out of all the jams he keeps getting them into. they've been unbalancing their governmental checks and balances. and just when they are on the cusp of normalized regional relations, they fall for Hamas' bait and pulverize 35,000 (and counting) Palestinians without sharing a realistic plan for what comes next.
the kids get it.
The kids protesting in support of Hamas “get” very little. No way even 1/10th of those out there won Oct 8 chanting these slogans and harassing Jewish people have thought through 1/10 what you’ve just laid out.
If you don’t think that kind of sentiment to that degree immediately after the images of Oct 7 came out, I don’t know what to tell you. If you can find a similar response in the US supporting the Taliban and Al Queda right after 9/11 or the Iranian Revolutionary regime after the U.S. hostages were taken, I’d love to see it.
This post is why the violence and atrocities will continue in the ME for generations.
Yes, the pro- Palestinian movement predates wokeness. That movement should have come to a screeching halt on October 8. It didn’t. Meanwhile, sympathy and empathy for Jews has decreased. Palestinian youngsters are taught to hate Jews. Hamas and its puppet masters in Tehran have said often that Israel must cease to exist as a Jewish state and must become a Muslim country. And we support and aid the Iranians.
Israel is the shining city on the hill in the ME. It has a functioning democracy. It has a stable society. It has a very productive economy. We should encourage the spread of these things, not enable the hate festering in Gaza that goes back thousands of years and wants to destroy that.
Biden has made more obvious than ever that he panders to the Palestinian movement here. A movement driven by the invisible hand of Iranian-led influencers. While the Democrats fuss and bluster about Russian influence over our position in Ukraine, those who Biden panders to shout “Death to America!” on the streets of Michigan.
haha you may be be right on the 1/10 but kids have an often misguided but very real distrust of colonialism and nationalism. and they may just know those things when they see them. that ain't all bad.
10/7 is different than 9/11 because of the backstory and the narrative that already existed. the avg Joe Schmoe, and his kids who are now TikTok junkies, didn't know what US policies did or didn't lead up to 9/11 or the Iran hostage crisis but they've been watching Israeli vs Palestinian and coming to an opinion on it their whole lives.
not sure the citizens of the country who was just attacked are ever very objective in the moment. while there wasn't pro-Taliban support in the US right after 9/11 the conspiracy theorists et al. sure filled that gap quickly in the years that followed. people started doing their homework.
no, it's really not. LOL. COH, you can't untake all the psychedelics you took in the 70s but you can take deep breathes before you type.
Yeah, they are really getting that balanced viewpoint on reality from Tik Tok posters....GTFOH.
It is basically progressivism and the identity politics nonsense from the leftists in this country that have infected everything like the cancer they are. And I am not talking your everyday liberal, I mean dipshits like Radhida Tlaib getting mainstreamed and the idea that there is some hierarchy of oppressor/oppressed that we must view the world through.
Hamas is signaling they don't have any of the hostages. If that is the case there is nothing more to talk about. They should be finished. Furthermore, if today's Tik Tok youth are likely to be the forefront of American foreign policy in the future and there is less common cause to be found with Israel, it becomes in their best interest to end the Palestinians. And by end, I mean expulsion to other Arab states and no more recognized "peace partner". It is dumb for them to have a fifth column to their rear in Gaza. They should take advantage of using the last of American goodwill to solidify their security before the morons get full control here.
Lol. “COH, you can't untake all the psychedelics you took in the 70s”. This thread isn’t about me. Ya gotta do a lot better than this.
When you post crap like “mow ‘em all down” we know that the ME won’t see peace. Yeah, we have given Israel substantial military aid, but we also publicly and with publicly fund NGO’s provide substantial aid to Gaza, aid that was used to ramp up Jew hate and Jew massacre.
Hamas is still firing rockets into Israel and that senile old fart we have for a president didn’t even see fit to condition his military deployment to Gaza on them stopping the rocket fire or on releasing all hostages. The Democrat policy, echoed by you is exactly why the war drags on and why there won’t be peace for the time of all lives in being.
Rocket fire by Hamas, Hezbollah targets Israel on two fronts
Israel faced increased rocket fire and an anti-tank missile attack on March 4, illustrating that both Hamas and Hezbollah are seeking to escalate tensions. The attacks came as hostage and prisoner exchange...
www.fdd.org
The post right above yours literally promotes the complete ethnic cleansing of at least Gaza, if not all of Palestine. And the liberals are why we won't ever have peace? That's funny.
Jon Stewart says the Arab states won't give Palestinians citizenship because they're really terrified of the 'Islamists' they backed
Stewart says Arab nations aren't opening their doors to Palestinians because they're "scared" of all the "Islamists" they helped foster.
www.businessinsider.com
Huh? What ethnic group is being cleansed? I’ll readily agree that there is a Jew hating Hamas ideology cleansing. We should all support that.
Don't play stupid. Crazy had been quite open and honest for some time now about his attraction to the ethnic cleansing option.
I suspect he's not alone, just the only one willing to be honest about it.
See, if they are applying the term "colonialism" to the relationship between Gaza and Israel, they aren't well informed and infected by the very type of thinking I first identified.
Here's the definition of "colonialism" from the dictionary:
the policy or practice of (1) acquiring full or partial political control over another country, (2) occupying it with settlers, and (3) exploiting it economically.
Notice the use of "and." From my reading, then, you need all three. I don't think you can make a colorable argument that any of them exist, let alone all three:
First, Israel does not have settlers in Gaza--in fact it removed them along with its military nearly two decades ago.
Second, Israel does not have political control over Gaza--that was Hamas. So Gazan children are taught to hate Jews, Gazans rain rockets down upon Israel and no one is arrested or punished, etc.
Third, Israel isn't exploiting Gaza economically--it isn't taking the fruits of their labor (it does collect their taxes, and pays it to the PA, and has sometimes withheld it during violence, etc. I don't think that qualifies Gaza as a "colony" though). I'm guessing the existence, patrolling of, defense from the rockets, etc. is a net negative for Israel's budget, not a positive, so "exploitation" is not the right word here.
Kids might "see" something there, but it ain't colonialism.
Please tell me you're not serious. The charges of colonialism against Israel are not because of Gaza. Come on, man, I think you know this.
West Bank isn't controlled by Hamas, Goat. They didn't perpetrate October 7th. Big difference.
And yet Israel still occupies it.
Besides, most of the people who resort to language about colonialism aren't just talking about the occupied territories, even as a whole. They are questioning the legitimacy of Israel as a state.
Israel is comprised of refugees and the descendants thereof from dozens of countries and territories across Europe and the Middle East.
Israel is an outgrowth of which colonial power exactly?
They occupy the West Bank, right? That's not Gaza or Hamas. The protesters aren't pointing to the West Bank; they continually refer to Gaza, that it's an "open air prison," etc.
If you think the whole state of Israel is a colony, I don't think you're using the term correctly--either definitionally or historically. Call them a conqueror, sure, but Israel isn't a colony of Israel.
I think you're kinda proving my point. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict doesn't fit within the colonizer paradigm, but the unserious thinkers try to squish it in because they want all the moral conclusions that go along with their paradigm to apply to Israel.
I have to admit, I'm not as up to date on the whacky world of colonialization rhetoric as I am anti-racism, so maybe I'm missing a fundamental point here. Let me know. I'll get my colonialization reading in next year when I have to combat my son's high school history curriculum. Fun times.
You don't need to update anything. This is an old paradigm. And in this paradigm, Israel isn't a colony of itself. Rather, Israel is a Western nation carved out of Eastern land.
Basically. You can't really understand anticolonialist thinking without starting with orientalism. It's very much a clash of culture thing, which is more important than national ambitions.
Does orientalism cover carribean, native american, south american, and african societies? The British colonies in the Americas?
not sure why we're bending over backwards trying not to use the c-word
again, you may hate what the current output looks like but this issue predates our current culture war by generations. stop with the lazy identity politics nonsense.
end the Palestinians? what in the actual fvck...
can't follow you down that dark path, Mas. My family uses the "j-word" all the time and we never have to whisper or take a look around before saying it.
So the Thirteen Colonies weren’t colonies?
Bending over backwards? I’m using the definition in the dictionary.
I’ll see your NYT and raise you an Atlantic:
The Curious Rise of 'Settler Colonialism' and 'Turtle Island'
The problem with shoehorning a Middle Eastern war—or American history—into a trendy academic theory
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